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RE: F means filtered ?
by Jim Fleming 17 Feb '97

17 Feb '97

On Monday, February 17, 1997 12:02 PM, Justin W. Newton[SMTP:justin@erols.com] wrote: @ At 07:48 PM 2/16/97 -0500, Avi Freedman wrote: @ >It seems to me, Jim, that a reasonable person would assume that he allows @ >access to the services that it's supposed to provide (DNS), but reserves @ >the right to 'F'ilter services that are immaterial to the DNS functionality. @ @ I think actually the question that Jim was asking is whether Paul filters @ access to the root name server he runs based on his Spam Blacklist. It @ seems to be a valid question. @ @ Justin Newton @ Network Architect @ Erol's Internet Services @ @ Justin, Since everyone has chosen to delete the context let's summarize: Someone claimed that they could not access the public Root Name Server operated by Paul Vixie and supported by the U.S. Government and the National Science Foundation via the InterNIC by the inclusion of the address of that server in the root.cache file provided by the NSF/InterNIC. Paul Vixie, the sys admin, for that server replied that he could not see why this would be the case. I asked Paul if he ever filters people's traffic to that public Root Name Server. There has been no answer. In my opinion, the U.S. Government and the NSF need to investigate these matters. If that Root Name Server is no longer valid, the U.S. Government and the NSF should not be endorsing it. ISPs rely on the reliable, stable, secure Root Name Servers and they rely on the U.S. Government to provide them with information on which servers are reliable. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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RE: New Root Name Servers
by Jim Fleming 17 Feb '97

17 Feb '97

On Monday, February 17, 1997 8:36 AM, Robert E. Seastrom[SMTP:rs@bifrost.seastrom.com] wrote: @ @ From: Jim Fleming <JimFleming(a)unety.net> @ @ Many people are in the process of deploying TRUE Root Name Servers. @ @ TRUE = Totally Ridiculous, Unnecessary Effort? @ (or They're Running Unety's Excrement) @ @ ---Rob @ Are you referring to these NEW TRUE Root Name Servers ? Name: j.root-servers.net Address: 198.41.0.10 Name: k.root-servers.net Address: 198.41.0.11 Name: l.root-servers.net Address: 198.32.64.12 Name: m.root-servers.net Address: 198.32.65.12 Do you have these in your root.cache file ? -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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RE: Sprint Traffic
by Richard Newcomb 17 Feb '97

17 Feb '97

Thanks ALL! I'm very grateful for the address! (noc@sprintlink) Richard

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Re: Sprint traffic
by Josh Hall 17 Feb '97

17 Feb '97

Sprintlink's noc. noc(a)sprintlink.net Josh

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New Root Name Servers
by Jim Fleming 17 Feb '97

17 Feb '97

Issues involving the legacy Root Name Servers will likely become a moot point. Many people are in the process of deploying TRUE Root Name Servers. As I am sure people noted, while people were distracted with the IAHC process, the IANA and Network Solutions, Inc. deployed new TRUE Root Name Servers. I believe they started with 2 new servers and now have 4 that are operational. They do not respond the same, but I am sure they will get the operational kinks worked out soon. They are "TRUE" because they do not also provide Top Level Domain services for .COM, .NET, etc. The legacy Root Name Servers are a hodge podge in this regard because they are largely run by volunteers. The legacy Root Name Servers appear to be evolving to become TLD-only servers for the various TLDs handled by the NSF/InterNIC. Fortunately, the U.S. Government is taking the advice of the various groups advocating new Top Level Domains and they are helping to deploy TRUE Root Name Servers. Part of this is being funded by the InterNIC domain taxes. Therefore, some of the issues surrounding legacy Root Name Servers will likely be moot... -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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RE: F means filtered ?
by salo＠msc.edu 17 Feb '97

17 Feb '97

> From: Jim Fleming <JimFleming(a)unety.net> > Subject: RE: F means filtered ? > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 11:58:07 -0600 > [...] > Someone claimed that they could not access the public > Root Name Server operated by Paul Vixie and supported > by the U.S. Government and the National Science Foundation > via the InterNIC by the inclusion of the address of that server > in the root.cache file provided by the NSF/InterNIC. > > Paul Vixie, the sys admin, for that server replied that > he could not see why this would be the case. > > I asked Paul if he ever filters people's traffic to that > public Root Name Server. There has been no answer. > > In my opinion, the U.S. Government and the NSF need > to investigate these matters. If that Root Name Server > is no longer valid, the U.S. Government and the NSF > should not be endorsing it. ISPs rely on the reliable, > stable, secure Root Name Servers and they rely on > the U.S. Government to provide them with information > on which servers are reliable. In my opinion, the U.S. Government and the NSF have far more important things to do. Many of these more important things will continue to develop and strengthen the Internet infrastructure. It is also worth noting that every U.S. Government or NSF research contract I have read contains explicit language about the ideas generated through the grant are not endorsed by the funding agency. -tjs

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F means filtered ?
by Jim Fleming 17 Feb '97

17 Feb '97

@@@@ http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/html/nanog/msg01537.html Re: root servers more debug data ------------------------------------------------------------------------ .To: nanog(a)merit.edu .Subject: Re: root servers more debug data .From: Paul A Vixie <paul(a)vix.com> .Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:41:28 -0800 .Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Btw, > Root nameserver F is not reachable from my network. I can't imagine why that would be so. Against my better judgement, I permit both traceroute and ping to this host. @@@@@@@@@@@ Paul, Are you saying that you never "filter" packets from selected networks...?...thus, denying service to people trying to access the "public" Root Name Server that you operate... ...and also denying access to http://www.cix.org Does the F stand for "Filtered"...? -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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Peering Agreement Difficulties
by Rolf Medal 15 Feb '97

15 Feb '97

To: Internet Access Providers: February 14, 1997 From: Internet Express 2350 Mission College Blvd., Suite 250 Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 982-8242 fax (408) 982-8249 Dear Provider: Internet express has experienced great difficulty in establishing peering agreements with MCI, Sprint & PPN. If you have also experienced problems in this regard, we encourage you to inform us ASAP. There currently is a class action suit in progress. Please respond to rolf(a)ie-corp.net.

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RE: CASCADE IN BED WITH THE COMMIES!
by Danny Stroud 15 Feb '97

15 Feb '97

Actually I grow tired of this (even joking) phobia. des ---------- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu on behalf of Jon Green Sent: Friday, February 07, 1997 8:32 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: CASCADE IN BED WITH THE COMMIES! What do you think? Now we better boycott BOTH Bay and Cascade. ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- People's Republic of China Builds First Nationwide ATM Network Based on Cascade CBX 500 ATM Switches Major Chinese Win Underscores Growing Acceptance of Cascade ATM Solutions Westford, Mass. -- February 4, 1997 -- Cascade Communications Corp. (NASDAQ: CSCC) today announced it will provide the Chinese government with switches that will be used to build the country's first nationwide broadband digital network. [snip] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: root server update
by matthew＠scruz.net 15 Feb '97

15 Feb '97

Randy, I suspect it would help some of us small incompetent ISPs if you could provide a pointer to where *you* would have successfully found the NOC phone number. That way we could all deal with problems right away without adding more traffic to this list, and we could add this to one of these "how to be an ISP" FAQs, too. -matthew kaufman matthew(a)scruz.net Original message <m0vvShi-0007zZC(a)rip.psg.com> From: randy(a)psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Feb 14, 10:49 Subject: Re: root server update > > > So now everyone will start sending test DNS requests to the servers > > and overload them even further. > > What do you expect for folk who call people at home because they can't > figure out how to call a NOC? > > Welcome to the new "I am sooooo important that thinking is not required" > internet. > > randy >-- End of excerpt from Randy Bush

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