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Re: Non-ISP companies multi-homing?
by John J. Buxbaum 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

Mark, You have been told by the State who you have to use as a provider? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bixby <markb(a)spock.dis.cccd.edu> To: netops <netops(a)flycast.com> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu> Subject: Re: Non-ISP companies multi-homing? >netops writes: >> >> Does anyone know of any non-ISP companies that have decided to >> multi-home? Is this a major trend for non-ISP companies running >> mission-critical applications on the Internet? > >We will be going multi-homed in about 2 weeks because the state of California >has mandated that all community colleges sign up with 4C.net, but we don't >want to give up our existing CERF.net connection. >-- >Mark Bixby E-mail: markb(a)cccd.edu >Coast Community College Dist. Web: http://www.cccd.edu/~markb/ >District Information Services 1370 Adams Ave, Costa Mesa, CA, USA 92626-5429 >Technical Support +1 714 438-4647 >"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M) >

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Re: Non-ISP companies multi-homing?
by John J. Buxbaum 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

Bruce, I have several customer who are multi-homed, some of which are ISP"s but not all. I am seeing this a coming trend for customers who wish to have redundant internet access. A bit pricey i bet, but maybe easier on the nerves :) John Buxbaum AT&T CBB -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Benda <bruce(a)clari.net> To: netops <netops(a)flycast.com> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu> Subject: Re: Non-ISP companies multi-homing? >> Does anyone know of any non-ISP companies that have decided to >> multi-home? Is this a major trend for non-ISP companies running >> mission-critical applications on the Internet? >> >> So far, I only know of a couple, with PointCast being one of them. > >We're multi-homed to BBN, Exodus (co-located too), and PBI. >

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Notification of LINX maintenance
by Paul Thornton 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

Apologies for being slightly off topic, and I know it isn't in North America :-) The London Internet Exchange (LINX), the primary UK interconnect point, is being physically relocated this weekend, from Saturday 26 June 23:00 GMT to Sunday 27 June 05:00 GMT. There should not be any major impact, but paths to K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET may change as various peering sessions go down and come back up. This is just a 'heads up' posting so you are aware that it is happening. Some of the routing between UK ISPs may be affected, although a lot of effort has been put into ensuring that there is minimal impact to any external networks. For more information, see http://www.linx.net/moveinfo.html (this is aimed at the customers of our members, but does give an overview of what is happening) Paul -- Paul Thornton, Network Engineer, London Internet Exchange Ltd. Tel: 07000 783797 Mobile: +44 467 372205

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Re: Non-ISP companies multi-homing?
by jrg＠blodwen.demon.co.uk 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

netops(a)flycast.com (netops) writes: > Does anyone know of any non-ISP companies that have decided to > multi-home? Is this a major trend for non-ISP companies running > mission-critical applications on the Internet? Yes. I know some people in the UK that are multi-homed, too (though there's probably not too many over here.) James.

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NANOG mailing list
by Jason Storm 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

Hi! Im currently employed as technical support for hooked.net/well.com, and I am in training for systems admin. I am hoping to be included in the NANOG mailing list, as it often seems to address issues that affect the performance of these ISP's long before I am able to get the scoop, basically. For myself and for the 15,000 customers I offer my services to, please tell me what information is needed to gain access to this list. I have several references available on request. Hope to hear from you soon, Jason Storm Tech Support Hooked.net/Well.com staffjs(a)hooked.net, jms(a)well.com

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Re: Kashpureff Black List (REALLY AN OPERATIONAL QUESTION)
by Eric Germann 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

However, a coordinated effort to block them all could, correct? Kind of like the sanity filters at customer borders. Don't allow traffic into your network that doesn't originate from their assigned network numbers. If everyone were to block the ranges no one would get polluted... So is it my understanding that it is technically possible, but logistically impossible to coordinate? If we were to block them, then we wouldn't have to worry about every idiosyncracy of BIND, both known and yet to be found. At 09:13 AM 7/23/97 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: >On Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 09:53:42AM -0400, Eric Germann wrote: >> would an anti-kashpureff bgp feed fix the dns pollution problems similar to >> the anti spam black list. If yes, is it collusion which would be >> prosecutable? If no, what are the TECHNICAL reasons it wouldn't work. >> >> Eric > >No, because *ANY* nameserver which gets the pollution can then pollute you. > >Since you can't cut off EVERY nameserver with such a feed, it is pointless >to attempt it. > >-- >-- >Karl Denninger (karl(a)MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity >http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service > | 99 Analog numbers, 77 ISDN, http://www.mcs.net/ >Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| NOW Serving 56kbps DIGITAL on our analog lines! >Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal > >

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Re: Non-ISP companies multi-homing?
by jprovo＠ma.ultranet.com 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

netops writes: > > Does anyone know of any non-ISP companies that have decided to > multi-home? Is this a major trend for non-ISP companies running > mission-critical applications on the Internet? Yes, several. As far as I can see, yes. The question I'd ask would be why does it matter if an AS is "ISP" or "non-ISP"? The domain of clueful people is far and away NOT limited to the domain of ISP networkers. If an organization is sizeable enough and knows what it is doing, or can hire or rent someone who does, more power to them. Cheers, Joe (affiliation for identification, not endorsement; disclaim, disclaim) -- Joe Provo, Network Architect 800.763.8111 x3006 Network Operations Center Fax 508.229.2375 UltraNet Communications, Inc. <jprovo(a)ultra.net>

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Re: Quote from Kashpureff / Re: question about per. hack
by Mathias K. 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

I don't think that some kind of knee jerk reaction like blocking all addresses that have ever been associated with alternic is in order. Certainly Kashpureff has gone off the deep end, but am I the only one here who thinks that he is essentially fighting the good fight? I'm sick of paying the internic every year just for the privilege of participating in their name service. The centralized nature of the system is a real drag, and I'm hoping that some genius out there is working on the next generation that will allow anyone to associate their ip address with anything they want. I believe that the capitalist aspect of what the internic is doing; taking money for an essential service and trying to make a profit, is PURE EVIL and goes against everything that I belive "the net" should be. So although I don't particularly like they way that Kashpureff is staging his rebellion, I do believe in his cause. -mat ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mathias kolehmainen + ripper(a)dataway.com (ripper(a)secretagent.bob) ninewood http://www.roomfullaspies.com/9wood public key http://www.roomfullaspies.com/pgpkey.asc

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Re:Non-ISP companies multi-homing?
by Steve_Mays＠broder.com 24 Jul '97

24 Jul '97

This seems easy, so my answer is probably going to be lame. If by "multi-home" you mean 2 connects, 2 providers, 2 POPs, then I can tell you that Broderbund is doing this with out 2 DS-3s and 2 T1s. We are still layer 1 "Pac Bell Backhoe" fault intolerant, however (one fiber bundle to 1 Pac Bell CO). --->Steve ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Non-ISP companies multi-homing? Author: netops <netops(a)flycast.com> Date: 7/23/97 4:09 PM Does anyone know of any non-ISP companies that have decided to multi-home? Is this a major trend for non-ISP companies running mission-critical applications on the Internet? So far, I only know of a couple, with PointCast being one of them. Thanks, Lincoln Silver FlyCast Communications

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Sprint Flapping?
by Eric D. Madison 23 Jul '97

23 Jul '97

Anyone else seeing a large amount of flapping from Sprint today.. I have over 7000 dampened paths from them??? Eric _______________________________________________________ Eric D. Madison - Senior Network Engineer - ACSI - Advanced Data Services - ATM/IP Backbone Group 24 Hour NMC/NOC (800)291-7889 Email: noc(a)acsi.net

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