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Your crystal and oscillator needs
by monkey2＠idt.net 07 Oct '97

07 Oct '97

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RE: QoS/CoS interest (again) & Fiber Cut ....
by Peter Cole 07 Oct '97

07 Oct '97

Telescan, Inc. Wants the best access money can buy(within reason). We want to get the lowest loss connection to our customers as possible. We will shortly be triple homed with Sprint, MCI & UUnet by T1s. If I were convinced that I could find a better way to move data to and from our customers I would be moving to use those solutions. What most of the Internet access providers don't seem to realize is that we(corporate America) all still have lots of private lines for performance, security and Reliability. We are currently spending as much on private lines as on Internet access. Security is well on the way to being solved. Performance and Reliability are paramount. If we got better performance from the Internet we could move more applications and services to the net. This would mean bigger sales for our access providers. A note about reliability: A few days ago.... >Just wanted to let everyone know: > > MCI/Sprint/WorldCom are experiencing a fiber-cut between Detroit MI, and Wayne > MI. > >== Chris Layne ===================================== Network Administrator == >== clayne(a)noc.netcom.net ======================= NETCOM Network Operations == > What happen to SONIT redundancy ??????? World class carriers without world class reliability. Maybe my choices have been poor. ASN=7201 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Ferguson [SMTP:ferguson@cisco.com] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997, 16:49:00 > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: QoS/CoS interest (again) > > Back in May, I sent a message out to the NANOG list > asking about superficial thoughts on QoS. I also > summarized received responses to list later. > > Well, I'd like to pose the same question again, > to gauge whether the climate has changed substantially. > Please take a moment to review the original question, > and feel free to respond to me personally, or to the list > in general. > > Thanks much, > > - paul > > On Wed, 21 May 1997 14:04:35 -0400 Paul Ferguson <pferguso(a)cisco.com> > wrote: > > > I'd like to get a feel for what the temperature level > > is in the ISP community for this issue -- I have a vested > > [personal] interest in understanding what your understanding > > & implementation plans are in this arena. > > > > Please send your thoughts, requirements, bitches, etc., to > > me personally, or preferably, to the NANOG list; it is a > > greater audience than myself that wishes to understand these > > issues. > > > > Thanks! > > > > - paul > > > ----- End Of Original Message ----- Peter Cole of Telescan, Inc. (281)588-9155 Better computing through lack of sleep.

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SPAM attack on our support group
by Dennis Simpson 07 Oct '97

07 Oct '97

Last night, our support mailing list was mailbombed, and subscribed to mailing lists. Anyone else get their support mechanisms hit, or are we chasing someone who doesn't like us? Private replies would be most appropriate, if there are several incidents, I will summarize back to the list. Thx, dennis

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Re: 971003:1520: Fiber-cut in Michigan
by Eric Germann 07 Oct '97

07 Oct '97

It also whacked Digex's Detroit POP for 3 hours. Ah, redundancy. Might want to check those circuit routes again, folks. Eric At 08:35 AM 10/6/97 -0400, Avi Freedman wrote: >> Just wanted to let everyone know: >> >> MCI/Sprint/WorldCom are experiencing a fiber-cut between Detroit MI, and Wayne >> MI. >> >> == Chris Layne ===================================== Network Administrator == >> == clayne(a)noc.netcom.net ======================= NETCOM Network Operations == > >Wow, WorldCom bought Sprint too? > >Avi > > > ============================================================================ ==== Eric Germann Computer and Communications Technologies ekgermann(a)cctec.com Van Wert, OH 45891 Phone: 419 968 2640 http://www.cctec.com Fax: 419 968 2641 Network Design, Connectivity & System Integration Services A Microsoft Solution Provider

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QoS/CoS interest (again)
by Paul Ferguson 06 Oct '97

06 Oct '97

Back in May, I sent a message out to the NANOG list asking about superficial thoughts on QoS. I also summarized received responses to list later. Well, I'd like to pose the same question again, to gauge whether the climate has changed substantially. Please take a moment to review the original question, and feel free to respond to me personally, or to the list in general. Thanks much, - paul On Wed, 21 May 1997 14:04:35 -0400 Paul Ferguson <pferguso(a)cisco.com> wrote: > I'd like to get a feel for what the temperature level > is in the ISP community for this issue -- I have a vested > [personal] interest in understanding what your understanding > & implementation plans are in this arena. > > Please send your thoughts, requirements, bitches, etc., to > me personally, or preferably, to the NANOG list; it is a > greater audience than myself that wishes to understand these > issues. > > Thanks! > > - paul >

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NANOG MEETING SCOTSDALE, AZ 0CT 27 & 28
by Pam Ciesla 06 Oct '97

06 Oct '97

REMINDER October 20 is the cutoff date for NANOG Registration payment. The registration fee goes from $150 to $170 after that date. To see if you have paid and/or registered please check the attendee list on the NANOG webpage http://www.nanog.org Alternate hotels: To get the price of $130 per night at the Hilton please call Lovejoy-Tiffany. It seems that the hotel will not give that price if you call direct. Phone number 800-968-8636 ask for the U of M desk (Joni, Heather or Holly). Airfares: Checkout the discounts offer by Northwest & American West. Info available on the NANOG webpage http://www.nanog.org. Again if possible use Lovejoy-Tiffany. Event hotel: Radisson Resort Scotsdale 602-991-3800 rooms are still available be sure to ask for the NANOG Meeting rate of $155. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Pam Ciesla 313-936-0172 - phone Merit Network, Inc. 313-647-3185 - fax University of Michigan 4251 Plymouth Road Bldg. I, Suite C Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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INTERNIC charging for address space?
by Michael Gibson 06 Oct '97

06 Oct '97

Has anyone heard if the INTERNIC was going to charge for address space. If so, how much and when would it be starting? Michael Gibson Senior Network Administrator - NETCOM Canada tel 416-341-5754 fax. 416-341-5725 magibson(a)netcom.ca

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[NOOP] 24x7 NOC..
by Joe Kawa 06 Oct '97

06 Oct '97

Sent again due word wrap. I apologize for the mistake. Thanks David. Jamie Rishaw & The Group, Scott and several others bring some important issues to the table. Among other things, you will have to base your decision on your controllers' level of experience, coverage during peak periods, number of personnel, and trying to avoid long hours (burnout). At SAVVIS, I have been able to meet these challenges with 9 controllers in a 24x7 Network Control Center. I am very fortunate to have exceptional people. They are a mature group and collectively span a wide range of experience. Also, the support given to me by the "World Class" group of SAVVIS engineers enables us tremendous flexibility. We have implemented a five day work week of 8 hour days. It consists of 3 people on permanent shifts. The shifts run from 0700 - 1500, 1500 - 2300, and 2300 - 0700 respectively. Since each shift operates in a similar fashion, so let me describe one of them in more detail. Person 1 works Monday through Friday. Person 2 works Tuesday through Saturday. Person 3 works Sunday through Thursday. This provides for two people covering Monday through Friday and negates the same person from having to work both weekend days. Additionally, to allow everyone the opportunity of working the Monday through Friday shift, we move at six week intervals. When moving, person 1 moves to person 3, person 2 moves to person 1, and person 3 moves to person 2. The effect is 5 days on, 1 off, then five days on for two of the movers and a 4 day weekend for the other. Effectively, a person loses a day off during two moves which is always made up in the form of a 4 day weekend on the third move. Even more incentive is provided by allowing my later shifts first crack at day shift openings as they present themselves. I try to only fill the later shifts with people intended for that requirement. Good luck in sorting things out, the NANOG group has been a terrific source of information and discussion for me, and I hope I've provided some additional ideas, Thanks, Joe Joseph B. Kawa Senior Consultant, Manager, SAVVIS Network Control Center joek(a)savvis.com

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 06 Oct '97

06 Oct '97

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[NOOP] 24x7 NOC..
by Joe Kawa 06 Oct '97

06 Oct '97

Jamie Rishaw & The Group, Scott and several others bring some important issues to the table. Among other things, you will have to base your decision on your controllers' level of experience, coverage during peak periods, number of personnel, and trying to avoid long hours (burnout). At SAVVIS, I have been able to meet these challenges with 9 controllers in a 24x7 Network Control Center. I am very fortunate to have exceptional people. They are a mature group and collectively span a wide range of experience. Also, the support given to me by the "World Class" group of SAVVIS engineers enables us tremendous flexibility. We have implemented a five day work week of 8 hour days. It consists of 3 people on permanent shifts. The shifts run from 0700 - 1500, 1500 - 2300, and 2300 - 0700 respectively. Since each shift operates in a similar fashion, so let me describe one of them in more detail. Person 1 works Monday through Friday. Person 2 works Tuesday through Saturday. Person 3 works Sunday through Thursday. This provides for two people covering Monday through Friday and negates the same person from having to work both weekend days. Additionally, to allow everyone the opportunity of working the Monday through Friday shift, we move at six week intervals. When moving, person 1 moves to person 3, person 2 moves to person 1, and person 3 moves to person 2. The effect is 5 days on, 1 off, then five days on for two of the movers and a 4 day weekend for the other. Effectively, a person loses a day off during two moves which is always made up in the form of a 4 day weekend on the third move. Even more incentive is provided by allowing my later shifts first crack at day shift openings as they present themselves. I try to only fill the later shifts with people intended for that requirement. Good luck in sorting things out, the NANOG group has been a terrific source of information and discussion for me, and I hope I've provided some additional ideas, Thanks, Joe Joseph B. Kawa Senior Consultant, Manager, SAVVIS Network Control Center joek(a)savvis.com

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