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Global Telecommunications Traffic Statistics & Commentary
by Barry James 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

The 97/98 TeleGeography annual report is out. A source for '...international carrier market shares, cable/satellite capacity...mapping the Internet...' Interested parties see URL: http://www.telegeography.com/Publications/tg97.html Regards, Barry Barry L James | Mikrotec Internet Services, Inc (AS3801) Director R & D | 1001 Winchester Rd bjames(a)mis.net | Lexington KY 40505 http://www.mis.net/ | 606/225.1488 800/875.5095 --- Semper Fidelis - 0331/8151 MARDET CV-41 1988-90

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BGP4 code source
by salnot patrice 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

Hello, Can someone tell me where i can retrieve the source code of BGP4 for freebsd or linux. Thanks ------- The Only Stupid Question Is The Unasked One -------

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Re: evaluation of the IWG on DNS
by Hank Nussbacher 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

At 11:50 PM 11/17/97 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote: I sent the following to Gordon but on second thought, I'll share it with all: If the ITU tried ever to "control/govern" the Internet, it would be the end of the ITU. Intel tried t cover up its chip bugs and the Internet demolished them. Gates and his billions tried to ignore the Internet and then had to run scared to catch up and become part of the process. Governance includes matters like pornography, cryptography, trademarks, etc. Where do you see the ITU taking a domination role in any of those? The single role the ITU plays and will play is as a depository for the gTLD MoU. At *no* time will the ITU make policy. At *no* time will the ITU make policy. Am I being heard? The day they attempt to do that, ISOC, IANA, IETF, IAB, etc. will break all ties with the ITU and the ITU will sink in its own X.recment. Hank Nussbacher former IAHC and iPOC member >I normally don't post any material from my newsletter to NANOG, but I have >just had a strong "nudge" from a list member regarding the December issue >that I published tonight. Here is the portion of my Exec. Summary from a >LONG article on Internet Governace issues. > >The Governance Wars >Continue, pp. 13 - 22 > >Motivated by an abiding hatred of Network Solutions' "monopoly" the >federal Interagency Working Group on DNS (IWG) ironically adopted, at the >end of the summer, an attitude that since the ISOC CORE effect in Geneva >was the only other game in town, it should have the US government embrace >the very folk that the IWG had been set up in fear of. > >We have been told that the idea of assistance in the creation of the >database software needed by CORE has been tried out in negotiations for >changes that would make the CORE Swiss cartel more 'democratic'. Having >been warned that Brian Kahin was holding behind the scenes discussions >with IBM, AT&T and Oracle on the question of the data base software and >that Becky Burr, Kahin's partner at NTIA, was testing the waters for the >idea that a competition for software design be held, we submitted a FOIA >to OSTP on October 7 seeking all relevant data to the IBM, Oracle and AT&T >discussions. On the 27th were were told that more time would be need >because of the "substantial interest in the determination of our request." >When on Friday November 14 no documents had been delivered, we complained >and were told that the reason was because they involved coordination with >the FCC since they mentioned Mike Nelson, an ex OSTP employee. However by >the afternoon the story changed to merely that there were too many and >they were waiting to send them all. > >During the week that began on November 10th, the working group was making >its own leaks that it would have its findings released - first by the 14 >and then by the 17th. We complained in a public appeal to Ira Magaziner >on the 12 and on the 13th received a phone call in which he assured us for >attribution that no policy would be made for a number of weeks yet and >perhaps even for several months. On the basis of our conversation we >believe that 1. he is the 'boss' of the IWG and will prevent Burr and >Kahin from doing an end run around him in their desire to kill the NSI >monopoly. 2. That he has a sincere and humble recognition that he simply >doesnUt understand the matter well enough yet to reach the right decision. >We are encouraged to hear that he will be doing heavy duty fact finding of >his own. > >Coming to understand much better the reasons for Tony RutkowskiUs dislike >of the ITU, after the Secretary General admitted that he would like to >have the ITU take over Internet governance, we believe that it is critical >for Magaziner to understand that the Internet's creative vitality comes >from Einar Stefferud calls its self-organizing 'bounded chaos'. Just as >no one entity can control the global economy so no single entity can >control the Internet. Stef has a profound understanding of these issues >and the final third of our article is a compendium of his recent writings >on the subject plus a concluding section that he wrote on November 15 in >response to our findings about the working group activities. Here he >states that Mr. Magziner must realize that there is no crisis; and that no >new top level domains should be added to the root servers until all >parties have joined into a confederation using IETF processes to develop >their own governance plan. He concludes by pointing out that the ultimate >recourse lies in the power of thousands of DNS administrators world wide >to point to the root machines that offer the best service to the network. > >************************************************************************ >The COOK Report on Internet For subsc. pricing & more than >431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA ten megabytes of free material >(609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) visit http://cookreport.com/ >Internet: cook(a)cookreport.com New Special Report: Internet >Governance at the Crossroads ($175) http://cookreport.com/inetgov.shtml >************************************************************************ > > >

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Re: hmm..
by mmiller＠CBIS.COM 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

Me too ... ACK! I like Marilyn Monroe but ........ |} At 06:32 PM 11/17/97 -0600, you wrote: >Is it just me or.. No it's me too. >I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. >Is someone playing with us? I'm also getting mails fomr wierd mail servers telling me I'm now on wierd mailing lists. Such as Marilyn Monroe lists. What's going on? > James D. Butt 'J.D.' Ken Harris Prez@DALnet - -- --------- Ken Harris [( ken(a)drummerweb.com )] Drummer Associates [( www.drummerweb.com )] "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything learned in school" -Albert Einstein - -- --------- ----- End Included Message -----

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ns4.internic.net was returning false aa nxdomain
by Marc Slemko 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

ns4.internic.net aka. j.gtld-servers.internic.net was just returning false authoritative nxdomain answers for any .com domain that I tried. While it isn't a .com nameserver, that IP address is floating around and my nameserver still asked it and listened when it gave a nxdomain: $ORIGIN HYPERREAL.com. ;taz 287 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. hostmaster.INTERNIC.NET. ( ; 1997111700 1800 900 604800 86400 );com.;NXDOMAIN ;-$ ;Cr=auth [198.41.0.21] yes, yes, I am still using 4.9.6 but I'm not ready to upgrade to 8.x yet. In any case, it is still bogus to return authoritative nxdomain. Now (10 minutes later), ns4.internic.net is properly reporting: ; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> worldgate.com ns @198.41.0.21 ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 1, Addit: 0 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; worldgate.com, type = NS, class = IN ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: com. 86400 SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. hostmaster.INTERNIC.NET. ( 1997111700 ; serial 1800 ; refresh (30 mins) 900 ; retry (15 mins) 604800 ; expire (7 days) 86400 ) ; minimum (1 day) ;; Total query time: 111 msec ;; FROM: valis.worldgate.com to SERVER: 198.41.0.21 ;; WHEN: Tue Nov 18 02:45:29 1997 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 31 rcvd: 108 I think I have seen problems caused by something similar a couple of times in the past week or two, only then I couldn't track them down because it had gone back to giving proper responses. Anyone know what is going on there and if it is resolved or just gone for a while again?

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evaluation of the IWG on DNS
by Gordon Cook 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

I normally don't post any material from my newsletter to NANOG, but I have just had a strong "nudge" from a list member regarding the December issue that I published tonight. Here is the portion of my Exec. Summary from a LONG article on Internet Governace issues. The Governance Wars Continue, pp. 13 - 22 Motivated by an abiding hatred of Network Solutions' "monopoly" the federal Interagency Working Group on DNS (IWG) ironically adopted, at the end of the summer, an attitude that since the ISOC CORE effect in Geneva was the only other game in town, it should have the US government embrace the very folk that the IWG had been set up in fear of. We have been told that the idea of assistance in the creation of the database software needed by CORE has been tried out in negotiations for changes that would make the CORE Swiss cartel more 'democratic'. Having been warned that Brian Kahin was holding behind the scenes discussions with IBM, AT&T and Oracle on the question of the data base software and that Becky Burr, Kahin's partner at NTIA, was testing the waters for the idea that a competition for software design be held, we submitted a FOIA to OSTP on October 7 seeking all relevant data to the IBM, Oracle and AT&T discussions. On the 27th were were told that more time would be need because of the "substantial interest in the determination of our request." When on Friday November 14 no documents had been delivered, we complained and were told that the reason was because they involved coordination with the FCC since they mentioned Mike Nelson, an ex OSTP employee. However by the afternoon the story changed to merely that there were too many and they were waiting to send them all. During the week that began on November 10th, the working group was making its own leaks that it would have its findings released - first by the 14 and then by the 17th. We complained in a public appeal to Ira Magaziner on the 12 and on the 13th received a phone call in which he assured us for attribution that no policy would be made for a number of weeks yet and perhaps even for several months. On the basis of our conversation we believe that 1. he is the 'boss' of the IWG and will prevent Burr and Kahin from doing an end run around him in their desire to kill the NSI monopoly. 2. That he has a sincere and humble recognition that he simply doesnUt understand the matter well enough yet to reach the right decision. We are encouraged to hear that he will be doing heavy duty fact finding of his own. Coming to understand much better the reasons for Tony RutkowskiUs dislike of the ITU, after the Secretary General admitted that he would like to have the ITU take over Internet governance, we believe that it is critical for Magaziner to understand that the Internet's creative vitality comes from Einar Stefferud calls its self-organizing 'bounded chaos'. Just as no one entity can control the global economy so no single entity can control the Internet. Stef has a profound understanding of these issues and the final third of our article is a compendium of his recent writings on the subject plus a concluding section that he wrote on November 15 in response to our findings about the working group activities. Here he states that Mr. Magziner must realize that there is no crisis; and that no new top level domains should be added to the root servers until all parties have joined into a confederation using IETF processes to develop their own governance plan. He concludes by pointing out that the ultimate recourse lies in the power of thousands of DNS administrators world wide to point to the root machines that offer the best service to the network. ************************************************************************ The COOK Report on Internet For subsc. pricing & more than 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA ten megabytes of free material (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) visit http://cookreport.com/ Internet: cook(a)cookreport.com New Special Report: Internet Governance at the Crossroads ($175) http://cookreport.com/inetgov.shtml ************************************************************************

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Has spam factory dakotacom.net moved from ACSI to Alternet ?
by John R Levine 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

I've been receiving buckets of spam from dakotacom.net, as many as 90 per day. They've been connected to ACSI for many months. ACSI has a new anti-spam AUP that went into effect today. Today I see that traceroutes to Dakotacom go through Alternet and medic-net-gw.customer.ALTER.NET. But the route looks odd, maybe a leak rather than a new real route. I don't speak BGP (my multi-homed ISP does that for me), so can anyone see who's announcing 207.201.204.0/255.255.252.0 ? ACSI? Alternet? Both? Regards, John Levine, postmaster(a)abuse.net, http://www.abuse.net, Trumansburg NY abuse.net postmaster

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OWNED (fwd)
by Christian Nielsen 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

Yup, all coming from Nanog Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09298; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by merit.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:45:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA04897 for nanog-outgoing; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.RVC.CC.IL.US (www.RVC.CC.IL.US [207.142.145.2]) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04884 for <nanog(a)merit.edu>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:43:16 -0500 (EST) 14 chi1-t1.mwci.net (207.227.0.102) 94.640 ms 86.242 ms 98.852 ms 15 rockford-chicago.rockford.mwci.net (206.62.2.145) 103.890 ms 105.152 ms 9 8.478 ms 16 irx-1.rockford.mwci.net (206.62.137.3) 107.978 ms 96.123 ms 101.981 ms 17 rockvalley-mwci.rockford.mwci.net (206.62.2.170) 121.913 ms 120.406 ms 10 1.569 ms And it is coming from MWCI..... MidWest Communications, Inc. (ASN-MWCI-NET) 241 Main St. Dubuque, IA 52001 USA Autonomous System Name: MWCI-NET Autonomous System Number: 6392 Oh well, he is no longer on so winnuke does no good :) Christian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:56:25 -0600 From: Bill Gates III <billg(a)microsoft.com> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: OWNED LKASDDFJKL;ASD F ASDFKLJASDF ASDFKLJASDFLASDJF LSDFJK LKASJF LKASDJFL KASDJFLKASDJF LKASDJF LKASDJF LKASDJF LKASDJF LASDJKF LKASDJFLKASDJFLKASDJFLK ASDJF KLASDJF LKLASJDF LKASDJFL KJASD F

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spam factory
by alex＠tiac.net 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

I need no further convincing that savoynet.com, hosted by agis, spams like hell, whatever bitching one does to effect the contrary. having oh so little faith in the 'remove list' option [iemmc anyone?] i am considering only communicating with those i can telnet/talk/ftp to and giving up on e-mail altogether ;) honestly, 90 percent of the mail i receive via my personal accounts is junk. "they" (it's enough to make you paranoid) haven't besmirched my work address yet, [i think of it as having your phone number written on a 'net bathroom stall somewhere, don't you?] and when they do, i'll probably just change my name with the SSA. It's so much easier than purifying one's addresses, n'est pas?

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OWNED [spam - dont follow up to this one.]
by Peter Evans 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

Oh look. Someone needs to do something cute to www.RVC.CC.IL.US, such as nail them to a tree, boil them in oil or feed them to the alligators[1] It might also be an idea to fix the aliases for majordomo too, anyone with a clue could just send mail to "nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu" and hit the list. This sort of stuff is in the majordomo FAQ i seem to recall. We now return you to your regular channel on that side of the puddle. P ----(* [1] tests show that feeding spammers to alligators helps cure them of the habit. ^_^ -----Forwarded message from Bill Gates III <billg(a)microsoft.com>----- Return-Path: <owner-nanog(a)merit.edu> Received: from merit.edu (merit.edu [198.108.1.42]) by wonderland.gol.ad.jp (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10166 for <peter(a)gol.ad.jp>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:18:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05607; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by merit.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:43:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA04897 for nanog-outgoing; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.RVC.CC.IL.US (www.RVC.CC.IL.US [207.142.145.2]) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04884 for <nanog(a)merit.edu>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from microsoft.com (166.72.5.121) by www.RVC.CC.IL.US (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000000019(a)www.RVC.CC.IL.US>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:56:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:56:25 -0600 Message-ID: <B0000000019(a)www.RVC.CC.IL.US> From: Bill Gates III <billg(a)microsoft.com> Subject: OWNED Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu To: undisclosed-recipients:; -----End of forwarded message----- -- The Lost Patrol. Level 30~36, HP 800, AC -2. The Highway Patrol of The Random Road, they keep the peace, they eat donuts. -TRR '97 O_u \\ // P-Chan ya \\ Global OnLine Japan U \Beh! \\ // P-Moji-Yo! \\ Steam Engineering

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