Here's the URL for those of you not on BUGTRAQ.
http://www.geek-girl.com/bugtraq/1997_4/0348.html
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Daniel.MacKay(a)Dal.Ca
Network Operations Centre Manager 902 494-danm
Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.
Showed up on a mailing list, reportedly sent by Walt Rines from a Hotmail
account. If they set up their own network, that's A-OK with me unless, of
course, someone foolishly connects it to the Internet.
Regards,
John Levine, postmaster(a)abuse.net, http://www.abuse.net, Trumansburg NY
abuse.net postmaster
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Cyber Promotions/Quantum Communications
Press Release
Spam Backbone Formed
The "Spam King," Sanford Wallace, and Walt Rines
Have incorporated their new bulk-email friendly backbone network
For Immediate Release:
Philadelphia 11/20/97-- Sanford Wallace, Walt Rines and an undisclosed
third party have formed Global Technology Marketing, Inc. (GTMI). The
new corporation will offer direct , high speed T-1
And T-3 Internet connections to companies that engage in mass
commercial email. Currently, there are no other backbone providers that
allow customers to send spam. GTMI will be offering connectivity
contracts by the beginning of the next week.
Sanford Wallace commented: "We are very excited about this new
project. For the first time ever, Internet marketers will be encouraged
to engage in direct advertising, a practice which is already accepted in
the postal world." Walt Rines stated: "Finally, bulk emailers will have
an opportunity to legitimize this new industry. We are going to prove
that this explosive new market can be self-regulated."
Technical Details: GTMI has established a national backbone which
operates as a fully-meshed network operating at DS-3 speeds, and
interconnecting, or "peering" with several other networks at undisclosed
private peering points. Multiple Lucent 5E12 switches, capable of
processing data using multiple protocols including Internet (IP)
Protocol, will route the traffic through the network. Dr. Robert
Elliot, Chief Technology Officer, was quoted as saying, "We are excited
about employing the Lucent 5E12 switches in the new network
architecture. It just proves that IP telephony is becoming a reality."
More detailed information will follow within the week
CONTACT INFO:
Sanford Wallace: 215-628-9705
Walter Rines: 603-772-4096
Sean Donelan <SEAN(a)SDG.DRA.COM> writes:
> What I was trying to postulate, unsuccessfully, there is no such
> thing as an universal, optimal hierarchical addressing scheme. I
> thought I had chosen examples from the opposite ends of the spectrum.
> I guess I wasn't extreme enough in my examples. Perhaps I should
> have used the ISBN hierarchy, a combination of language group, country
> and publisher prefix. I'm going to publish a million books, so I
> should get a 'big' publishers prefix.
You are confusing transport address (describing a location
in a topology) with an object name (a book, a computer, a
process running on a computer).
An object name like an ISBN does not need to be
hierarchical because they do not describe discrete
locations. Introducing hierarchy improves managability
and efficiency of databasing. Many hierarchies can be
imposed on object names.
IPv4 addresses and anything like them need to be
hierarchical in sufficiently large networks because they
do describe the location of one or more objects, and
because flat addresses are known not to scale in large
networks. Hierarchical routing is the only known means of
scaling IP addresses as they exist now, and therefore the
only hierarchy that can be imposed on IP addresses is
strictly topological.
The canonical object-describing database that is the
roughly the analogue of the ISBN database is the DNS.
(I hate analogies I hate analogies I hate analogies please
don't use them). The DNS is also manifestly hiearchical,
and that hierarchy introduced efficiency compared to the
former flat ARPA namespace.
Note that the DNS works with suffixes rather than
prefixes, which is a cosmetic difference unless one is
interested in doing binary sorts or tree-based searces,
and that the DNS is variable-length, which is not a
cosmetic difference from the ISBN.
If you are a big organization and plan to have lots of
objects you need a sufficient swathe of DNS names to
describe them all. These in turn should resolve into
LOCATORS which describe where in the Internet topology (as
opposed to the corporate topology or the geographical
topology) the objects can be reached.
For example, one hierarchy of Internet object names is
clock.org. Although cesium.clock.org and solar.clock.org
are siblings in that hierarchy, they have very different
IP addresses because they are located in different parts
of the Internet topology. They should NOT have the same
IP prefix as any attempt at that would introduce
unnecessary inefficiency into the routing system.
Remember: at each level of naming there can be different
and completely disjoint hierarchies. There are
scalability implications in all of them, most notably when
the names used have size limits or are distributed
non-hierarchically (like ethernet addresses or the COM
domain). However, the important thing is that when a name
is used as a LOCATOR in a topology, in order to be
scalable that name must be related to that topology and in
large networks must lend itself to aggregation in order to
reduce the amount of information needed to have that
locator be used throughout the network.
Sean.
Thank you all for the help from ANS, MCI, BBN people.
The trafic start flowing to/from ANS network.
To recap my correspondense to them:
the proper way to change route advertisement
from /20 to /19:
first add route object /19 to RADB
advertise the new route /19
wait until it is propagated to the whole internet ( 3 days )
delete the old route object /20
stop advertise the old route /20
by doing this there should be minimal unreachable network.
any comment, suggestion ?
Thank you again for your help.
Tony S. Hariman
http://www.tsh.or.id
Tel: +62(21)574-2488
Fax: +62(21)574-2481
> The "Spam King," Sanford Wallace, and Walt Rines
> Have incorporated their new bulk-email friendly backbone network
This is great. Finally, just what we wanted. All of it gone with a single
AS path filter.... Just let us know which one. ;-)
Tony
we complained about having to populate this info and i believe the
netflow folks will release a fully populated protocols/ports file in
v2.0 which is about 30 days away from release, i think.
there will always be things like traceroute that use very high port
numbers and increment them along the path, or custom aplications so
you'll always have fairly large numbers of "other". at least that's
been our experience.
-brett
> On Thu 20 Nov, steven hessing wrote:
> > The other day we started using Cisco netflow accounting software
> > together with IP flow export feature of recent Cisco IOS versions.
> >
> > What we found was that although we put a lot of protocols in the
> > nfknown.protocols file of the accounting software (everywthing we
> > could find in the /etc/services file of Solaris and Linux), there
> > is still a lot of traffic under TCP-Other and UDP-Other. This
> > indicated that traffic is going over our network using ports that
> > the software doesn't know about.
> >
> > This could for example be Real-audio, Cuseeme, Pointcast, Backweb
> > etc traffic. Unfortunately, I don't have a list of these newer
> > protocols together with their port numbers. Has anyone compiled
> > such a list? There's the Assigned numbers RFC but the last version
> > of it is RFC 1700 of October 1994.
>
> Try,
>
> ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers
>
> It doesn't give a date it was last updated - but the list is bloody
> long so should do you ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> aid
>
> --
> Adrian J Bool | mailto:aid@u-net.net
> Network Operations | http://www.noc.u-net.net/
> U-NET Ltd, UK | tel://44.1925.484461/
>
Hi,
What is the proper procedure to change
route advertisement for example from /20 to /19 ?
Currently I just update radb and mci routing database.
Also I send email to our upstream provider about the
change.
But now we have some connectivity problem with ANS and
ANS customer.
Any hint would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Tony S. Hariman
http://www.tsh.or.id
Tel: +62(21)574-2488
Fax: +62(21)574-2481
we need about 10mbps off someone's extended fddi connection to maewest at
PAIX for about two weeks. we do not need transit, just temporary carriage
from a peer of ours in maewest to PAIX until their PAIX connection comes up.
anyone with excess capacity we can "borrow" for that time?
direct replies please.
[apologies for the multiple copies of this that you might receive]
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Media Release (FOR RELEASE 21-Nov-97)
Ourworld Global Network is proud to announce ISP.au, the first conference
specifically focused on ISPs (Internet Service Providers) in Australia.
This will be held in Sydney, Australia on December 12th to 14th, 1997.
ISP.au will be a 3 day conference on a seminar/tutorial basis with a focus
on both the business and network operations sides of operating ISPs.
Speakers include leading technologists and business people in the ISP
business in Australia and USA. Attendees will also include senior and
executive management of ISPs in the Asia-Pacific region.
The seminars will cover a series of topics including global developments in
the ISP marketplace; regulatory issues affecting Australian ISPs; ISP
industry associations; issues relating to APNIC and DNS registries; and
various other issues relating to business development of ISPs.
The tutorial series includes sessions on basic and advanced network
operations held by routing gurus Avi Freedman (netaxs) and Justin Newton
(priori, ex-erols); successful ISP marketing by Jesse Caulfield; and tips
on working with APNIC held by David "Randy" Conrad, Director-General of APNIC.
A highlight of ISP.au is a harbour cruise and dinner with bottomless drinks
on the evening of Friday (Dec 12th) which will promote networking amongst
ISPs and other parties in the industry. There are also other opportunities
for networking during the conference, in particular in the meeting breakout
room.
The breakout room is be equipped with PCs with Internet connectivity.
Internet connectivity is also provided in the main seminar meeting room via
10baseT switches (static IPs supplied if required) and 220VAC is provided.
ISP.au was made possible by the generous sponsorship of Cisco Systems and
Ourworld Global Network, but there will be no product pitches at this
conference as it is intended to present an opportunity for ISPs in
Australia to get together and to learn more about the unique marketplace
that ISPs are in.
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A copy of the draft agenda and a registration form can be obtained by
sending email to isp-au(a)aussie.net. This is an auto-responder that will
return via email a copy of both the draft agenda and registration form.
http://www.aussie.net/isp-au/ should be up and running by November 22nd.
Further details can also be obtained from Rachael Stead or Rob Bridger via
telephone to +61-2-9223-2777.
I've just been told by someone at the BBNPlanet NOC that all BBNPlanet
routes in the Palo-Alto and Dallas area are effected by a routing problem
that originated in Dallas.
As a result, we are unable to reach stanford.edu.
BBNPlanet ticket number is 163151.
