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slides for the meting?
by Ron Jeffries 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

Sorry for a possibly lame question... is there a URL where all slide presentations for the NANOG meeting are available, (or will be available after the meeting)? -- Ron J.

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SPID and portmaster 2 BRI.
by Tatsuya Kawasaki 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

Hello... I am sure someone up there knows something about 5ESS and portmaster 2. Our local teleco does not seem to know what SPID is. As far as I know according to the livingston manual, I should set up SPID in order to use ISDN.(well actually it is not true for switch type NTT.) I even call the company who sold the 5ESS to the teleco, Lucent Techonologies, Japan, they could not help us all. According a field engineer, he has never heard of it. He looked up the manual, he could not find SPID. Now this bring me to ask someone in this group. 1. What SPID is called in teleco lingo? 2. what switch types are capable with lucent 5ESS? 2.1 why can I find out which switch type we are really getting? 2.3 all I know from the teleco is their telecom "machine" is called 5ESS. 2.4 They believe 5ESS is the switch type but ... 3. what network layer does this SPID setting is used? 3.1 any more info on this SPID on ITU 400s ? 4. Does anyone use portmaster 2 with BRI on 5ESS switch type? 5. Any direct number to lucent Techologies that I could ask some questions about SPID and 5ESS stuff? 6. Any suggestions? sincerely yours, Tatsuya = = = = = = Business Network Telecom (BNT) ビジネスネットワークテレコム株式会社〒111-0053　東京都台東区浅草橋3-8-5 31山京ビル6階 TEL 03-5687-3945 FAX 03-5687-6009 http://www.giganet.net

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Fwd: Re: $110,000 for Gated Source Code
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

So far, I've had a large number of questions about a statement I made here in NANOG. The statement was made in passing, while I was looking for sources for something that would run BGP4 and allow us to transition from static single-homing to dynamic multi-homing. Rather than answer, yet many more inquiries, I am posting the answer here in NANOG, to fore-stall further such inquiries. MHSC prefers open-source whenever we can get it and prefer to run reference-standard code. This is why we run sendmail v8.8.8, qpopper, BIND, and others. We are a Caldera VAR and our servers are built up from Caldera Open Linux Standard edition, with about 30 add-ons <groan>. We *do* have BRU, Netscape, and other commercial binaries that have been bought, but not before attempting to find acceptable reference-standards. We have also provided DewPoint/Caldera with input towards an Enterprise Server distribution for Linux. Anyway, we've applied for an ASN and ran into the BGP4 requirement. Ergo, we were looking for the reference-standard BGP4 implementation, which is GateD. We (I) was *very* surprised at the attitude exhibited at <http://www.gated.org>. Very much anti-commercial. But, that does not matter to me as I have $other$ things to worry about (Paying the rent around here is one of them <sigh>). Ergo, having run *that* trail to ground, I posted a query here in NANOG, that Dean Anderson, Shane Wright, Craig Labovit, and others have answered. I now have gated v3.5.9, for Linux, and am building it now. I'll probably run into trouble, as I do with most things that don't have a configure script, or have an otherwise non-standard build process (Why is it that *only* the academic originated stuff is such a PITA? <sigh>). Back to the point, we are a commercial technology R&D house that is also bringing up an ISP (MHSC.NET) As such, since we actually have a gawd-awful-scummy profit motive (why else form a corporation?), we do not qualify for Academic membership in the Gated Consortium. The prices that I quote here are for the level of membership which MHSC would have to sign-up for in order to obtain what we really need. There are lower-orders of membership, but if you look at the URLs you'll find that the minimum is $10s of K-bucks$ for the first year, plus an annual maintentance agreement of, at least, half of the first year premium (and we thought we had profit-at-heart). Being a startup, we don't need such expense (it comes out of *my* pocket, personally, and I ain't that rich). Again, this is not a rant at the gated folks. I frankly wasn't much surprised. I thank all those who helped me obtain the sources for gated-3.5.9. BTW, Flemming did comment that since gated was NSF funded, it may be inappropriate for such fees to be charged. In reallity, the message clearly states that "start-ups need not apply". They just want to keep out the riff-raff. I've long-ago quit getting emotional about these things and have come to expect it from acadamia-types. The URL is ; >The latest public release of gated is 3.5.9 and is available at: > >ftp://gated.merit.edu/net-research/gated/gated-3-5-9.tar.gz > >Lots of information regarding licenses, bug reports, and releases can be >found at http://www.gated.org/ > > >Cheers, >Shane Thank you, Shane. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- >Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 20:08:54 -0700 >To: Jim Fleming <JimFleming(a)unety.net> >From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com> >Subject: Re: $110,000 for Source Code > >At 09:46 PM 6/7/98 -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: >> >>Roeland, >> >>I noticed your comment on NANOG about $110,000 >>for souce code. I must say, I was confused. What did >>that cover ? >> >>Who is that paid to ? > >As an answer, I'll quote a message I wrote to someone else about this same issue. > >>At 08:24 PM 6/7/98 -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: >>>>Where can I get latest and which is the latest. I prefer open-source but >>>>I'll take binary-only if I don't have to cough-up the $110KUS for it. GAWD, >>>>what a rip-off! >>> >>>I'm curious, did someone actually claim to sell bgp4 for linux for 110K? If >>>so, I'd like to know who... >>> >>> --Dean >> >> >> >>From <http://www.gated.org/new_web/code/doc/code_info/product/intro.html#Source Code> >> >>>Source Code >>> >>>The GateD source code, tools and documentation are based on three different product lines: GateD >>>Unicast, GateD Multicast, and GateD IPv6. Each of the products has its own software base, release >>>dates, and product descriptions. >>> >>>New GateD Source code, tools and internal documentation are available to GateD members only . >>>Binaries for utilities or on-line documentation are available for anonymous ftp or via the web. >>> >>>Members of the Academic and Research community can join the Merit GateD Consortium by simply >>>filling out a GateD Academic and Research membership. This membership requires that the member: >>> >>> sign the GateD Membership, >>> register the machines to which GateD source code and/or binaries will be distributed, and, >>> agree to return any enhancements to the project for redistribution. >>> >> >>and as regards the price see <http://www.gated.org/new_web/consort/member_info/prospects/howto.html> >> >>>Across-Product Line Memberships >>> >>> Gold Membership >>> >>> Existing members of two product lines may elect the Gold membership for $45,000. >>> Existing members of one product line may select Gold membership for $75,000. >>> The fee for new members is $110,000. >>> >>> Gold Members have the top level access to GateD sources and to the developers. Internships are >>> available for technical staff members from Gold members. Gold members are helping bring new >>> protocols and services to GateD. Gold members may redistribute GateD binaries for two product >>> lines in commercial products for the duration of the GateD membership. GateD source code for >>> these two product lines may be distributed to development teams at the Member's corporate >>> offices or research sites. Source code may not be distributed in commercial products. >>> >>> Gold members may send 4 voting members to the GateD Consortium meetings. >>> >> >>I say again, "GWAD, what a rip-off!" _________________________________________________ Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (RM993) President and CEO. e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com>mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com Web-pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com>http://www.mhsc.com Colorado Springs, CO - Livermore, CA - Morgan Hill, CA -----------------------------------------(legal notice)-------- Note: Statements made in this message do not necessarily reflect the position of MHSC. All forcasts and projections are to be considered as forward-looking and presume conditions which may not be referenced herein. -----------------------------------------(/legal notice)-------

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reset TCP connections to *.microsoft.com
by Mr. Dana Hudes 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

Anyone else experiencing trouble connecting various microsoft www and ftp sites? I put a Sniffer on the line and found that I have a part of a web page come up and then the connection is reset. This is using Netscape Communicator4 on both NT and SPARC Solaris. If one uses IE3 it works better. I find this highly suspicious. Also straight ftp from a unix system is very slow if you get in at all. I think we can all agree that the tcp/ip stack on sparc solaris 2.5.1 is not likely broken (patched to current level, January '98, just in case) where NT might be suspect even 4.0 w/service pack 3. One possible problem I consider is that I have Path MTU discovery turned on in all my routers interfaces (Bay RS12.10). My path to microsoft is via Alter.Net . The local Ethernet MTU is 1518 but the UUNET circuit is 1600. The packets I see come by with "don't fragment" set for several and then one that does not have DF and then the TCP reset comes in. Suggestions and opinions? Thanks Dana Hudes Graphnet

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RE: WorldNIC
by cgomes＠internic.net 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

Bad habit. I have been using the InterNIC address for 2.5 years. Also, there are hundreds of customers who know that email address. Chuck Gomes Network Solutions -----Original Message----- From: pete(a)missing.com [mailto:pete@missing.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 5:24 PM To: Peter Galbavy Cc: Gomes, Chuck; haug(a)seicom.net; sjsobol(a)shell.nacs.net; chris(a)empnet.com; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: WorldNIC I'd like to point out that it's interesting that this email is coming from the @internic.net address, not worldnic.net or some netsol domain. If you are part of Network Solutions and going to promote the company and not the organization (InterNIC) which was temporarily entrusted to you by the NSF contract -- why are you sending this email from an InterNIC address and not being clear about who you are and who you represent. I don't believe that anyone should be sending email from @internic.net if it isn't for the purpose of processing and registring domain names and the temporary business arrangement which was granted to Network Solutions (and 2 other companies) under the National Science Foundation contract. > > > Nothing is being offered that cannot be delivered. The regulations of each > > country code TLD registry are followed. > > SOrt of. You are using your influence (that of InterNIC) to make deals with > these NICs. This is anti-competative and illegal. > > > > > -- > Peter Galbavy > Knowledge Matters Ltd > http://www.knowledge.com /http://www.wonderland.org/ http://www.literature.org/ > -- Pete Bowden, Network Engineer, Operations Supervisor pete(a)internex.net repete(a)concentric.com repete(a)cncx.com (Former InterNex) Concentric Network Corp, 2306 Walsh Ave Santa Clara, CA 95051 Voice: 408 327-2491 NIC: PB8 Fax: 408 496-5484

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RE: WorldNIC
by cgomes＠internic.net 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

Winfried, Nothing is being offered that cannot be delivered. The regulations of each country code TLD registry are followed. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Winfried Haug [mailto:nanog@hq.seicom.net] Sent: Monday, June 08, 1998 5:03 PM To: Gomes, Chuck Cc: sjsobol(a)shell.nacs.net; chris(a)empnet.com; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: WorldNIC Hello.. > Chris, > > idNames, now a part of Network Solutions, offers registration in country code TLDs > for companies that would like to do that. Is that fraud? What am I missing here? well you are offering something you cant deliver... we are just about to register domains in 30 countries for 2 customers and a lot of NICs want a trademark proof, that this company has a trademark in this country.. second: often the company must have an address in this country... e.g you cant register a domain in the TLD of germany .DE if you cant provide an adddress in germany. what are you doing, if your customer doesnt have a "real" address in germany ? you have lost.... btw: the german NIC is a real desaster currently. To do this kind of job, you need a *lot* of letters, papers etc to complete it in all the interesting TLDs... Well every company can do their business, i think over 17.000.- is a lot of money...but everybody can decide to get to Worldnic or not :-))) Winfried

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RE: WorldNIC
by Doug Stanfield 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

>Michael Dillon said: >but I personally don't give a >damn and prefer a more diverse and chaotic system of naming. Your preferences aren't historical and in any religious war the one with the most historical references wins. Doug Stanfield Oceanic Cable Data Networking Manager 200 Akamainui St. dougs(a)oceanic.com Mililani, HI 96789

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RBN -- Please try later
by Bob Collie 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

Anyone else having major problems with overloaded RBN servers? If so, any suggestions from our friends at RBN? -Bob -- Bob Collie, VP/Chief Technical Officer, Telalink Corporation mailto:bob.collie@telalink.net

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smurf reporting
by Mikael Abrahamsson 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

To report smurfs in a more automated fashion we need a utility that'll take an IP number as input and then return email adresses from the arin/ripe whois database. I guess this can be done an an hour or five :) but I wonder if someone already has done this and would consider posting it here or to me privately? I was also pondering if mail should be sent to upstream providers or not, for instance, if one of netcoms customers was a smurf intermediate, doing a whois on their /24 would reveal both them and netcom, should an email be sent to both? I think this would be a good thing the way things are run here in Europe (when the ISP often owns the router placed at the customers location) but I dont know how it is run over over there so perhaps someone could enlighten me and give me an opinion? ----- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike(a)swm.pp.se

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Re: $110,000 for Gated Source Code
by Tony Li 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

alex(a)Relcom.EU.net (Alex P. Rudnev) writes: > There is ONLY (ONLY) two well-debugged and wideworld checked router > implementation now - first is CISCO IOS, second is GATED. I'd like to take some small issue with that statement. Well debugged????? ROTFL Tony

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