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Re: WorldNIC
by Adrian Chadd 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

Michael Dillon writes: >On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > >> How does providing different top level domains for different categories >> of organizations "violate the laws of physics", Michael? > >It tries to confine objects to a single state whereas physics teaches that >the universe cannot be so neatly sliced and diced. > >Of course, I could have simply asked the question that needs to be asked, >namely: why would anyone want a name to include a category anyway? > >Your name, Jay Ashworth, gives no clue as to your education, your >training, your profession, your age, your race, your height. Why should an >Internet domain name be any different? The DNS needs to be hierarchical so >that a query can trace a path from the root of the DNS to find the IP >address belonging to a name. But why should the branches in the hierarchy >mean anything in particular in any given human language? Some people would >like to restrict .com to COMMON usage, .org to ORGASMIC providers and .net >to CLEAN content (net is French for clean), but I personally don't give a >damn and prefer a more diverse and chaotic system of naming. Ahh but you're wrong.. Ashworth is his family identifier. It gives him a possible relationship with other "Ashworth"s in existance. Chaotic and diverse naming is fine as long as you have a rather nice way of indexing it all. But.. we don't. (And don't joke about search engines..) FOr example. Wouldn't it make more logical sense if there existed a domain 'movie.com' with which movies were registered under? Saves stuff like http://www.titanic-themovie.com/ or whatever it is since Titanic is taken. And it means that there can be a rather logical choice to start a search of your favourite movie's official web presence. What about looking for a car? GOing online shopping? Finding pr0n? (oh wait, thats one thing search engines are good for..) With the sheer amount of information on the internet today there really needs to be a decent distributed indexing system for all of it. DNS could have been it if it were maintained a little more thoughtfully from the beginning. My 2c.. (I think its 0.7c in the US..) Adrian

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Re: gated
by Sean Donelan 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

Last I heard, LC cataloging had a backlog of about a million books. But, they get to see the pre-prints 6-12 months early from major publishers participating in CIP, so it tends to even out. Obligatory explanation, not everything published or copyrighted is accepted by LC for inclusion in their permenant catalog. DRA is not affiliated with LOC. I suppose someone should check with John, but I did a quick check of Books in Print, OCLC, RLG, and MELVYL and didn't see anything called "OSPF Complete Implementation." I don't know if it is part of a boxed set, had a title change, or is being published by a different publisher which doesn't get its stuff in the major databases as fast. Or maybe its gotten tangled up in some type of copyright issue on the source code delaying it. >> > See John Moy's excellent book(s), OSPF: Anatomy of an Internet >> > Routing Protocol, and it's companion book, OSPF Complete Implementation. >> > The former is ISBN 0-201-63472-4 and the latter has an ospfd >> > implementation "intended to be portable to a wide range of >> > environments." >> >> I've read, and enjoyed his first, but cannot find the companion book >> anywhere. Heck, even Amazon doesn't have it. Does anyone have the ISBN >> for it? > >I can't see the second at dra.com; and that's the Library of >Congress, civilized. > >If it exists, it's gotta be rare. Anyone with OCLC access handy? -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: SPID and portmaster 2 BRI.
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

At 03:21 PM 6/9/98 +0900, Tatsuya Kawasaki wrote: >Hello... > >I am sure someone up there knows something about 5ESS and portmaster 2. >Our local teleco does not seem to know what SPID is. As far as I know >according to the livingston manual, I should set up SPID in order to >use ISDN.(well actually it is not true for switch type NTT.) >I even call the company who sold the 5ESS to the teleco, Lucent >Techonologies, Japan, they could not help us all. >According a field engineer, he has never heard of it. He looked up >the manual, he could not find SPID. > >Now this bring me to ask someone in this group. > >1. What SPID is called in teleco lingo? Also SPID, you get one per B channel, depending on type of service. >2. what switch types are capable with lucent 5ESS? What you want is ATTmulti-point. You get two SPIDs with that. >2.1 why can I find out which switch type we are really getting? Ask your telco. Make sure you get their ISDN support folks. This is generally a separate group. >2.3 all I know from the teleco is their telecom "machine" is called 5ESS. It's an AT&T model 5ess switch. >2.4 They believe 5ESS is the switch type but ... >3. what network layer does this SPID setting is used? >3.1 any more info on this SPID on ITU 400s ? >4. Does anyone use portmaster 2 with BRI on 5ESS switch type? >5. Any direct number to lucent Techologies that I could ask some questions >about SPID and 5ESS stuff? >6. Any suggestions? ___________________________________________________ Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (InterNIC RM993) e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com>rmeyer(a)mhsc.com Internet phone: hawk.mhsc.com Personal web pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Company web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com/>www.mhsc.com/ ___________________________________________ SecureMail from MHSC.NET is coming soon!

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gated
by brad 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

just in the defense of those who love gated for the ratty little program it is (as opposed to those commercially minded buffoons), we will let grep show us the way. ahh.... but it still works. bgp_init.c: goto fuckup; bgp_init.c: goto fuckup; bgp_init.c:fuckup: bgp_init.c: goto fuckup; bgp_init.c: goto fuckup; bgp_init.c:fuckup: bgp_rt.c: (void) strcpy(buf, "timer fucked!"); slsp.h: u_long slsp_st_fucked_lsps; /* screwed up LSPs */ slsp_io.c: ("slsp_io_recv: %A->%A length %u SN packet has fucked up byte %02x", slsp_mib.c: return o_integer(oi, v, inp->slsp_stats.slsp_st_fucked_lsps); task.c: * task_time_fucked() - called when gettimeofday()/getsystimes() fails. task.c:task_time_fucked __PF0(void) task.c: task_time_fucked(); task.c: task_time_fucked(); task.h: task_time_fucked(); \ task.h: task_time_fucked(); \ task.h: task_time_fucked(); \ task.h:PROTOTYPE(task_time_fucked,

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SPID
by Tatsuya Kawasaki 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

thanx for all of you who helped me. We solved the problem. For those who wish to use TWJ(Japan Teleway), the setting you MUST use is basic-5ESS, or point to point as suposed to mutlipoint. NO SPID. I have learnd a lot from you guys about ISDN. tatsuya = = = = = = Business Network Telecom (BNT) ビジネスネットワークテレコム株式会社〒111-0053　東京都台東区浅草橋3-8-5 31山京ビル6階 TEL 03-5687-3945 FAX 03-5687-6009 http://www.giganet.net

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Re: WorldNIC
by Kent W. England 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

Michael Dillon writes: >On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 11:53:42PM -0400, Steve Sobol wrote: >> > .org was never meant as a domain for nonprofits; it was meant as a >> > catchall to be used when your organization didn't fit into .com, .net, >> > .edu or .gov. >> >> Do you have a reference for that Steven? It doesn't match what I >> remember... > >The MITRE Corporation registered mitre.org in 1985 and the Aerospace >Corporation registered aero.org in 1987. This idea that .ORG was only for >non-profit organizations is an example of historical revisionism >propogated by people who were not there at the time the TLDs were created. MITRE and Aerospace are both "Federal Contract Research Centers" and they don't fit neatly into either .com or .mil, so they ended up in .org which very definitely was the place for not-for-profits that aren't universities, or government agencies or strictly commercial enterprises. --Kent

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nanog-d?
by jamie＠dilbert.ais.net 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

<NOOP> Ponder: nanog-d(a)merit.edu. For non-operational discussion of "advanced", important or current issues, events, anomalies, happenings. Thoughts? Maybe it'll clear up S:N on nanog@. -- jamie rishaw (dal/efnet:gavroche) American Information Systems, Inc. rdm: "Religion is obsolete." gsr: "By what?" jgr: "Solaris." (1996) Tel:312.425.7140, FAX:312.425.7240

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<NOOP>
by jamie＠dilbert.ais.net 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

PSA: Kim took the last Coke product yesterday. I promised someone I'd make the announce. :) </NOOP> -- jamie rishaw (dal/efnet:gavroche) American Information Systems, Inc. rdm: "Religion is obsolete." gsr: "By what?" jgr: "Solaris." (1996) Tel:312.425.7140, FAX:312.425.7240

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NSF Internet Funding Examples Related to NANOG
by Jim Fleming 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

NSF Internet Funding Examples Related to NANOG @@@ http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/1998/nsf98121/nsf98121.htm Money for studies on how the U.S. Government can better use the Internet in its operations. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@ http://www.nsf.gov/cgi-bin/showaward?award=9321043 USC/ISI and Merit Proposal to Develop, Deploy and Operate the Routing Arbiter $10,149,218 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@ http://www.nsf.gov/cgi-bin/showaward?award=9616597 Network Startup Resource Center (NSRC) $769,945 Randall J Bush - http://www.nsrc.org @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@ http://www.nsf.gov/cgi-bin/showaward?award=9615927 USC/ISI Testbed Routers for Advanced Internet Lab (TRAIL) $1,499,999 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com 1998 - The Year of the C+@ IS Coordinator for the AM Radio Station Registry - http://www.DOT.AM

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arbitrary SWIP rewriting by ARIN?
by David P. Maynard 10 Jun '98

10 Jun '98

This is probably borderline as an operational issue, but have other people noticed how ARIN sometimes makes arbitrary changes to SWIP requests before processing them? In particular, they seem fond of changing the network name field for no apparent reason. There have been two cases where I tried to go back and modify an entry only to have the modify request rejected because the net named "didn't exist." When I checked the records, ARIN had inserted a dash in the middle of the name. The changes were from things like "CUST-BLK1" to "CUST-BLK-1". Neither name was in use before the assignment. If they have a naming standard, I wish they would tell me and not just arbitrarily change my request. Keeping track of everything they want is hard enough without having to account for name changes by ARIN. I was also surprised to get an assignment request bounced once with a hand-written message asking if I really meant to "assign" a block instead of "allocating" it. I responded that, yes, I really meant what I had asked, and they processed it a day or two later. Are SWIP requests all reviewed manually to make sure we are being good children? -dpm -- David P. Maynard, Flametree Corporation EMail: dpm(a)flametree.com, Tel: +1 512 670 4090, Fax: +1 512 251 8308 --

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