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RE: Clue's for Clue-less
by Martin, Christian 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

I agree that core stability is of utmost importance, but by randomly and somewhat unilaterally denying prefixes without verification of the validity of their origin...Hmm, lets see...AS 1 sending the 4.0.0.0 netblock across a direct peering point, but it get's nicked because of max-prefix, so it comes across through a multihomed downstream and all of a sudden, sorry little multihomed downstream is carrying 200 Megs of BBN transit. Oops! I would think that the only thing that this command protects is routers with slim memory profiles. Core routers should let the BGP decision process clean the routes, although I do get scared when 10,000 new routes appear over the weekend. After this weekends fiasco, I can see your reasons, though. Maybe RSNG is useful after all... Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Irving [mailto:rirving@onecall.net] > Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 4:27 PM > To: Martin, Christian > Cc: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' > Subject: Re: Clue's for Clue-less > > > No proof one way, or the other, Martin.... > > The only neighbors I lost on this one, dumped something > they shouldn't..... If someone de-aggregates a /16, > it fires off alarms.... Although these may be valid advertisements, > We have opted for the "safe, rather than sorry" perspective. > (Besides, the alarms *assure* prompt attention) > > Running the internet requires a certain degree of Altruism. > One should set policies that *protect* the core, rather than one's > own....... ;) > > Doing other than this will result in a global internet > that is not reliable...And we all lose. > > "The good of the many, outweigh the desires of the few" > > (No matter *how* expensive a tie they wear ;) > > PS: 11.2.xx and higher have this command... > > > Martin, Christian wrote: > > > > Richard Irving Wrote: > > > To "You Know Who You Are": > > > > > > Since some of the filtering policies on the core *seem* to > > > not benefit the Internet as a whole... (or is that Hole ? ;) > > > > > > May I suggest one that does: > > > > > > neighbor WWW.XXX.YYY.ZZZ maximum-prefix XXXXX > > > > > > It has a way of dropping "clue-nots"..... When > > > they demonstrate said title..... > > > > > > Your clueful attention appreciated. > > > > > > Signed, > > > > > > One *URKED* Core Operator. > > > > > > > What if it has a way of dropping big blocks? From what I've seen n > > sniffer traces, it depends on how the routes are stored in > the BGP table > > that determines how they are advertised. This may have the > effect of > > sinking large, valid netblocks. Unless you've seen otherwise... > > > > -Chris >

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Re: cw/mci meltdown @ mae-west san fransisco?
by Jay Stewart 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

I'm noticing similar problems this AM with CW's backbone starting at bloomington heading back east to DC. Can anyone (preferrably from CW) provide a tidbit of information on what is happening, or when this will be fixed? Jay Stewart Vice President Olympia Networking Services http://www.olywa.net 15 * 1002 ms * core3-hssi3-0.Bloomington.cw.net [206.157.77.41] 16 1612 ms * * bordercore2.WashingtonEast.cw.net [166.48.246.1] 17 * 1081 ms * healthscribe-inc.WashingtonEast.cw.net [166.48.26.158] 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 1181 ms 1082 ms * 208.138.226.13 20 1442 ms 1172 ms * 208.138.226.13 21 1082 ms 1131 ms * 208.138.226.13 22 * 1131 ms * 208.138.226.13 23 1091 ms 1202 ms * 208.138.226.13 24 * * 1162 ms 208.138.226.13 -----Original Message----- From: Dan Hollis <goemon(a)sasami.anime.net> To: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 7:58 PM Subject: cw/mci meltdown @ mae-west san fransisco? >So anyone know what the deal is with the cw/mci meltdown at mae-west san >fransisco since approximately Oct 25 19:00 PST? > >Anything going through borderx1-fddi-1.SanFrancisco.cw.net, >core4.SanFrancisco.cw.net core6.SanFrancisco.cw.net, >core7.SanFrancisco.cw.net, mae-west6-nap.SanFrancisco.cw.net etc are >totally melty. > >Anything through sacramento appears fine. > >-Dan > >

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RE: Clue's for Clue-less
by Martin, Christian 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

Richard Irving Wrote: > To "You Know Who You Are": > > Since some of the filtering policies on the core *seem* to > not benefit the Internet as a whole... (or is that Hole ? ;) > > May I suggest one that does: > > neighbor WWW.XXX.YYY.ZZZ maximum-prefix XXXXX > > It has a way of dropping "clue-nots"..... When > they demonstrate said title..... > > Your clueful attention appreciated. > > Signed, > > One *URKED* Core Operator. > What if it has a way of dropping big blocks? From what I've seen n sniffer traces, it depends on how the routes are stored in the BGP table that determines how they are advertised. This may have the effect of sinking large, valid netblocks. Unless you've seen otherwise... -Chris

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RE: CW....also CNN
by Dave Cooper 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

We are still seeing this issue with quite a few routes: i.e. Nasdaq's blocks BGP routing table entry for 206.99.224.0/19, version 768117 Paths: (1 available, best #1) 1239 1800 209 286 3561, (received & used) 207.173.112.14 (metric 33) from 207.173.112.14 Origin IGP, localpref 80, valid, internal, best beauty... Dave Cooper electric lightwave, inc. -----Original Message----- From: steve(a)altrina.exodus.net [SMTP:steve@altrina.exodus.net] Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 2:44 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: CW....also CNN FYI I did not mean to imply that uu.net was leaking routes if people misread me, the issue (which I've confirmed with uu.net at this time) is that sprint is leaking the routes from AS209 to them. They are not passing the routes any further. Hopefully the issue will be resolved soon. -Steve -- Steven O. Noble -- Sr. Backbone Engineer, Exodus Communications (EXDS) -- Work:408.346.2333 -- All my love to the Canadian Mooing Frog.

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Re: CW....also CNN
by steve＠altrina.exodus.net 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

FYI I did not mean to imply that uu.net was leaking routes if people misread me, the issue (which I've confirmed with uu.net at this time) is that sprint is leaking the routes from AS209 to them. They are not passing the routes any further. Hopefully the issue will be resolved soon. -Steve -- Steven O. Noble -- Sr. Backbone Engineer, Exodus Communications (EXDS) -- Work:408.346.2333 -- All my love to the Canadian Mooing Frog.

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Clue's for Clue-less
by Richard Irving 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

To "You Know Who You Are": Since some of the filtering policies on the core *seem* to not benefit the Internet as a whole... (or is that Hole ? ;) May I suggest one that does: neighbor WWW.XXX.YYY.ZZZ maximum-prefix XXXXX It has a way of dropping "clue-nots"..... When they demonstrate said title..... Your clueful attention appreciated. Signed, One *URKED* Core Operator.

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Re: Packetshaper Replacement
by Brett_Watson＠enron.net 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

On 10/26/98 05:05:27 AM Jeff Mcadams wrote: >Thus spake Brett_Watson(a)enron.net >>does xedia have all the bgp knobs such as communities, filtering, route-map >>like functions, and all? > >Yes, yes, and yes (I believe). Not as full featured knobs as in IOS of >course, but the functionality is there that was my point, really. it's got to interoperate fully with a cisco... -brett

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Re: Packetshaper Replacement
by Brett_Watson＠enron.net 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

On 10/25/98 08:28:17 PM Randy Bush wrote: >> does xedia have all the bgp knobs such as communities, filtering, route-map >> like functions, and all? > >and confederations, mbgp, msdp, .... that was implied by "and all?" :) seriously, i wasn't quite as concerned with those things. i really want a good cpe-like device and don't specifically require mbgp and msdp... yet. -brett

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hi
by william＠pacific.net.ph 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

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Question...
by Rich Sena 26 Oct '98

26 Oct '98

I know this has been slapped around here alot int the past - and that there is a similar thread re: it - and I already picked at the archives at merit - but all I see there is alot of older postings re: it. What the hell am I talking about you ask... A ticket system of course - I've bumoped into gnats and arp (though I cannot find it) I'm looking for soething that I can put on a local server and have accessible via the web for satelite offices in Europe - mostly for installs and project tracking rather than event ticketting - lightweight is fine - any recomendations... email me or I'll get yelled at.. (sweet.com need not apply <heh>) -- I am nothing if not net-Q! - ras(a)poppa.clubrich.tiac.net

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