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Re: Warning to ISPs: 9netave
by Dan Bustillos - Datalink Computer Services 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

Hey all, It looks like the site has been taken off the net. Just my .02 Thank you, Dan Bustillos Datalink Computer Services (530) 897-6400 (888) 328-4638 ******************* "First rule of Government Spending: Why build one when you can build two at twice the price"

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A nightmare of SNMP -:) /my attempt to explain why/
by Alex P. Rudnev 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

If someone is interested in _not too scientific, but impressive_ article about SNMP, look at http://sili2.relcom.EU.net/~alex/SNMP.html . May be, there is something usefull can be found there, not the fun only. (don't blame me for the mistakes in English, please, I know there is a lot of them). Aleksei Roudnev, Network Operations Center, Relcom, Moscow (+7 095) 194-19-95 (Network Operations Center Hot Line),(+7 095) 230-41-41, N 13729 (pager) (+7 095) 196-72-12 (Support), (+7 095) 194-33-28 (Fax)

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Re: read this before you consider EXODUS
by Ravi M 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

What sounds like "fruitless bitching" to you will serve as useful information for other people out there, who are in the process of selecting service providers. This is a *open* forum that people bring realities like these publicly. You are entitled to speak for yourself, and if it sounds like what you inferred, you are subscribing to the wrong list. Just do a "unsubscribe". One of the intent of this open list is to make aware of realities of ISPs around, beyond the glare of the press and marketing. And using words like "fruitless bitching" does not make your opinion more potent to anyone, unless they hold a lot of Exodus stock (: Do you?. Try to refrain from unnecessary language. Take it easy RaviM > http://fnews.yahoo.com/street/99/09/01/valley_990901.html >This sort of fruitless bitching pretty much serves no useful purpose.

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Re: Warning to ISPs: 9netave
by Sean Donelan 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

Peter.Galbavy(a)knowledge.COM (Peter Galbavy) writes: >Why beware ? While this is probably off-topic, I would like to point >out some of the more heartless realities of living in a litigious >society, in particular like that of the US. If the service provider >removed the site based on some complaints then they would be opening >themselves up for claims of restricting trade, suppression of the >rights of the customers etc. I am not in the US, nor a lawyer - but >you get the idea. Lots of pointless (or is that punative ?) damages >feasible. [Operational content only as far as any network engineer should know the procedure for escalating the matter to the correct contact within their organization.] Somewhat true. ISPs in the US should obviously consult their lawyer, and should be aware of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. There are several steps an ISP must follow to preserve their immunity under the law. The DMCA sets out how complaints must be filed with the ISP, and the response the ISP must take including how they remove web sites. ISPs which do not follow the law may be held liable. Personally I think the DMCA has some constitutional flaws, but it is the law as it currently stands. Although it may seem strange to use a copyright law to deal with an apparently fraudulent web site, these scams usually involve some use of copyrighted material without authorization. It likely also violates several other laws. One advantage of using the DMCA is it doesn't require a court order to get the web site removed. But that is up to Value.Net's lawyers to determine how best to proceed. You can find out more by asking your lawyer and the web site http://www.loc.gov/copyright/onlinesp/ As far as I can tell 9 Net Ave has not registered with the US Copyright Office as an online service provider. Of course there is no requirement for ISPs to be licensed or registered in the US. But an ISP may not be able to avail itself of all the legal protections of online service providers if it doesn't register. DMCA registered agents are NOT the place to send spam complaints, security or other AUP violations which don't involve the use of copyrighted materials. Consult your lawyer about how to the law applies to your problem. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: read this before you consider EXODUS
by Sean Donelan 01 Sep '99

01 Sep '99

ravim(a)iname.COM (Ravi M) writes: >In the past few weeks, eBay has been in talks with several Exodus >competitors for a new contract to move a portion of its Web servers to a >new vendor, the sources say. Exodus Chief Executive Ellen Hancock says >its relationship with eBay is in good shape. eBay spokesman Kevin >Pursglove declined to say whether it was mulling a move of its primary >Web servers but says that a top priority is to figure out where to house >a key backup system. While both eBay and Exodus have problems, I see this as a good thing, not a bad thing. When looking for a place to house your backup servers, its smart to have some diversity. The problem with co-location facilities operated by the carriers themselves is a lack of many types of diversity. Bringing an AT&T line into a UUNET facility, or a Sprint line into a GTEI facility can be a problem and sometimes actively discouraged by the operator. Owning your own fiber doesn't mean you have a clue how to design or operate a co-location facility (or even an IP network). So-called neutral facilties like Equinix and maybe PAIX help with carrier diversity. But even then I would consider putting my backup servers in a different co-location facility than my primary servers. Although co-location has become an important and growing part of the business; many of the "older" (in Internet years, 1 or 2 years) facilities weren't designed or operated to meet what customers are now expecting. Two words: MAE-East, Garage. People are learning how to build these facilities. I've been very impressed with several facilities built in the last year. Co-location is not just a telephone office with some computer servers stuck in a corner, nor a data center with some fiber muxes stuck in a corner. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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read this before you consider EXODUS
by Ravi M 01 Sep '99

01 Sep '99

http://fnews.yahoo.com/street/99/09/01/valley_990901.html Already there are signs that Exodus' relations with some high-profile clients are in jeopardy. Service problems are serious enough that they've generated high-level tensions between Exodus and online auctioneer eBay (Nasdaq:EBAY - news) , one of Exodus' largest and most prominent customers, according to two people familiar with the situation. In the past few weeks, eBay has been in talks with several Exodus competitors for a new contract to move a portion of its Web servers to a new vendor, the sources say. Exodus Chief Executive Ellen Hancock says its relationship with eBay is in good shape. eBay spokesman Kevin Pursglove declined to say whether it was mulling a move of its primary Web servers but says that a top priority is to figure out where to house a key backup system.

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Re: A Twist on Domain/Name Registration..
by Robert Mathews-ICICX 01 Sep '99

01 Sep '99

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, David Carmean wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:57:52 -1000 > From: David Carmean <dlc(a)netapp.com> > To: Robert Mathews-ICICX <mathews(a)CSATI.EDU> > Subject: Re: A Twist on Domain/Name Registration.. > > On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 12:13:55PM -1000, Robert Mathews-ICICX wrote: > > > > > One country, two Web sites. Not good. > > > > Yes, but that's where the PRC disagrees with you :o( For others who feel compelled to write in a similar vein, all text that was included in the original post -- came from the article. I have chosen to add NO text. Therefore, the aforementioned opinion is not my own. Best.

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RE: IP allocation software
by Jeremiah Kristal 01 Sep '99

01 Sep '99

Thanks for the info. I was actually just looking for QIP when I got your email. On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Muir, Ron wrote: > QIP is IP management software, it also has a Provisioning Module that will > allocate IPs based on the rules you set up. It also does DNS management. QIP > is a Lucent product (they bought the company last year), the URL is below. > > http://www.qip.lucent.com/ > > Ron > ______________________ > Ron Muir > IP Administration > BellSouth.net > ron.muir(a)corp.bellsouth.net <<<<<PLEASE NOTE ADDRESS CHANGE>>>>> > (770)522-6363 > > :-----Original Message----- > :From: Jeremiah Kristal [mailto:jeremiah@fs.IConNet.NET] > :Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 6:32 PM > :To: nanog(a)merit.edu > :Subject: IP allocation software > : > : > : > :Back in early '98 there was a rather limited discussion on the > :availability (or lack) of software to manage IP allocations in a CIDR > :world. The concensus at the time was that nothing really > :existed, other > :than homebuilt products. Has anyone come out with a commerical or > :non-commercial solution since then? > : > : > : > :Jeremiah Kristal > :Qwest Internet Solutions > :Manager, Network Services > :201-319-5764 > :x284 internal > : > : > Jeremiah Kristal Qwest Internet Solutions Manager, Network Services 201-319-5764 x284 internal

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Training for the next generation: URL for my course
by Dana Hudes 01 Sep '99

01 Sep '99

Some folks have expressed interest in seeing what I do for the fall course, so here is the URL for the course web server: http://maxweber.hunter.cuny.edu/cgi-bin/eres/viewcourse.pl?CSCI415_HUDES Note that while anyone can post to the bulletin board there, please play nicely with the students if you play at all. (wise guys, don't even think of posting inappropriate material to a Hunter server. Instructors have content control. Recruiters, file this away until Thanksgiving. then contact me to recruit the January graduates). Dana Hudes

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A Twist on Domain/Name Registration..
by Robert Mathews-ICICX 31 Aug '99

31 Aug '99

Clearly, PGP Key Verification wand the like were not functional 'that' week.. :) "Whose Web Site Is This?" By Thomas L. Friedman, New York Times, August 27, 1999 TAIPEI, Taiwan-You just knew something like this would happen. China, unable so far to occupy Taiwan on land, has done it in cyberspace. The Internet address Taiwan.com was recently claimed and registered by China.com, an Internet portal that is partially owned by China's state-run Xinhua news agency. According to The Asian Wall Street Journal, several hundred Taiwanese professors and lawmakers have petitioned the Taiwan government to reclaim the Taiwan.com domain name by taking the Nasdaq-traded China.com to court in the U.S. for misrepresentation. One country, two Web sites. Not good.

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