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Re: Independent rating service of colocation facilities
by Sean Donelan 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

On Thu, 06 January 2000, Dave Crocker wrote: > So the alternative is much more effort and much more difficult, but > absolutely essential: The customer must have their own, independent access > to high-quality technical and operations expertise and the due diligence > must be detailed and in-person (such as the noted visual inspection of the > generatorS.) I would agree, except the most important parts in a colocation facility can't be checked with a quick visual inspection. If you see problems during your walkthrough, they are most likely serious problems. But a lot of stuff will be undetected just by the nature of facilities. Do you take air samples, collect a month of environmental data, plug in a power quality analyzer, take concrete samples? I've been in very chic data centers with very serious problems under the surface (or in the roof :-). A top quality audit of a data center is very time and money consuming. Doing one for every potential customer is a waste of a lot of money. Yes, I know, what company would risk its business without doing its own audit? But not every company has the expertise to know what is good, bad, and just a frill. > ps. The other burden this places on the customer is carefully and > reasonably formulating their REAL requirement. Demanding the best of > everything is entirely inappropriate for most businesses. You won't be > able to afford it and you don't need it. True, and one of the biggest problems I see with any ranking of the "best." You end up with things like the Forrester report which says Qwest is the "best" and Exodus will dissappear soon. I was thinking of more a Board of Health rating instead of a ranking. McDonalds and a five-star resturant both receive a Grade A. But there is still plenty of room for puffery and service competition. And perhaps breaking it up into classes, carrier-grade, data-grade, financial-grade, etc.

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Re: Eeek - .NU Domains using Ö, Ä, Å, Ü, Ñ - And More
by Vadim Antonov 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

"John M. Brown" <jmbrown(a)ihighway.net> wrote: > Ahh, lets just move to UniCode! :) I mean 63 char SLD's and then this... Ahh, just don't. Domain names are specified as case-insensitive. You cannot convert uppercase string in Unicode to lowercase (or vice versa) without knowing about all collation rules in all possible languages. (And, yes, precisely because of that your paranoid resolver won't be able to compare results of a reverse DNS lookup with what A records say - even if you don't plan to use domain names with Devanagari in it, people from these domains may visit your server). Having to install tons of locale configurations just to get name resolver to work does not strike me as a good idea. --vadim PS Unicode is broken-as-designed - it requires rich text format to do elementary things like lexicographic sorting or case-insensitive comparisons. If you do have RTF with language tags of some kind, Unicode is redundant.

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Re: Independent rating service of colocation facilities
by Dave Crocker 06 Jan '00

06 Jan '00

At 01:30 PM 1/4/2000 , Alex Bligh wrote: >Caveat emptor. Take customer references. Do due diligence. An elaboration on this fundamental observation. There are at least two ways one can attempt due diligence: pro forma vs. in-depth. Pro forma assumes competence, thoroughness, well-established definitions (and understandings) of relevant professional practises, etc. In other words, it assumes that you are working in a later-stage mature industry, so that everyone has a common understanding of things. The co-lo industry ain't there yet. So the alternative is much more effort and much more difficult, but absolutely essential: The customer must have their own, independent access to high-quality technical and operations expertise and the due diligence must be detailed and in-person (such as the noted visual inspection of the generatorS.) d/ ps. The other burden this places on the customer is carefully and reasonably formulating their REAL requirement. Demanding the best of everything is entirely inappropriate for most businesses. You won't be able to afford it and you don't need it. =-=-=-=-= Dave Crocker <dcrocker(a)brandenburg.com> Brandenburg Consulting <www.brandenburg.com> Tel: +1.408.246.8253, Fax: +1.408.273.6464 675 Spruce Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 USA

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Packet size distribution
by Patrick Greenwell 06 Jan '00

06 Jan '00

In the past I've seen people offer a breakdown of packet size within their networks. Would anyone be willing to share what they are seeing now? TIA... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Earth is a single point of failure. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

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Re: Independent rating service of colocation facilities
by Dean Anderson 06 Jan '00

06 Jan '00

Class A office space usually is a vague real estate term for "nicer" space. I've never found a suitable definition. One's class is apparently self-branded ;-) It seems it usually means that that walls aren't broken, the doors aren't scuffed, and the carpet is replaced before it smells too bad. ;-) I can't think of how "Class A" office space would be a benefit to colocation, though one of my sites is located in a landlord-described "Class A" building. I would count it as marketing filler. --Dean Around 12:59 PM 1/4/2000 -0800, rumor has it that Sean Donelan said: > >Is there an independent rating service of colocation and hosting >facilities. For example, when a hosting company claims they have >"Class A" space (whatever that means), does anyone actually check? > >Or if there isn't, would people be interested in such a service >similar to what Underwriters Laboratories or Factory Mutual does >for alarm monitoring central offices; but for Internet colocation >and hosting facilities? > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean(a)av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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RE: Y2K Funny
by Jeff Harper 06 Jan '00

06 Jan '00

The clock is showing negative numbers...since the countdown is over... -----Original Message----- From: Martin, Christian [mailto:CMartin@mercury.balink.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:19 PM To: nanog(a)merit.net Cc: 'Robert Cannon' Subject: RE: Y2K Funny Hrmm? Y2K has occurred! It is now - 18:27:7 on Jan 5, 2000 I don't get it... -----Original Message----- From: Robert Cannon [mailto:rmcannon@mail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 4:47 PM To: nanog(a)merit.net Subject: Y2K Funny Check out how much time is left until Y2K!!!! http://www.WWy2kW.org/WWy2kW_clock.htm ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001

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RE: Y2K Funny
by Robert Cannon 06 Jan '00

06 Jan '00

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RE: Y2K Funny
by Martin, Christian 05 Jan '00

05 Jan '00

Hrmm? Y2K has occurred! It is now - 18:27:7 on Jan 5, 2000 I don't get it... -----Original Message----- From: Robert Cannon [mailto:rmcannon@mail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 4:47 PM To: nanog(a)merit.net Subject: Y2K Funny Check out how much time is left until Y2K!!!! http://www.WWy2kW.org/WWy2kW_clock.htm ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001

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Y2K Funny
by Robert Cannon 05 Jan '00

05 Jan '00

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NANOG 18
by Pam Ciesla 05 Jan '00

05 Jan '00

The NANOG attendee list has been updated thru Tuesday, 1/04/00. Any corrections please contact me. The hotel room block at the DoubleTree Hotel ends on 1/14. According to the hotel the block is almost full. Info can be found on the NANOG webpage http://www.nanog.org. Thanks Pam Pam Ciesla Events Coordinator Merit Network,Inc. 734-936-0172 - phone 4251 Plymouth Road 734-647-3185 - fax Bldg.I, Suite 2000 pam(a)merit.edu Ann Arbor, MI 48105

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