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Router feedback
by Scott Patterson 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

I would like to get some feedback from other Engineers that have worked with Cisco's 120XX series router, and the Juniper MXX. We are doing extensive testing on both platforms, and would like to get a feel for what other networks may be doing with either box. Any interoperability issues between the two? Are you using the Cisco or Juniper on the core/edge? Peering router? Any positive or negative feedback on either box is appreciated (replying privately rather than to the group is preferred). Thanks for the feedback! Scott Patterson Sr. Peering Engineer NetRail, Inc. Main: 888-638-7245 NOC: 800-621-1822 Mobile: 678-361-3208 Fax: 404-522-1939

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Re: your mail
by bmanning＠vacation.karoshi.com 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

> > Now that'll be a lot of fun. > > Customer: "Hiya, I am trying to send mail to £$(^*()(".$£(*£$((a)~{.jp and it does not > work." > Helpdesk: "Oh" > > -- > Leigh Er, not really. The one format I've seen converts each character into a double-byte sequence. Kind of like IPv6 literals. :) --bill

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Re: your mail
by bmanning＠vacation.karoshi.com 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

Pretty easy. The UTF8 "normalized" form for nanog.org. is MEM1MEMFM7.MFN2M7 which, I think you can find on the keyboard. > > bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > But how do you represent that meaningfully in "normal" fonts on "normal" keyboards? > > -- > Leigh Porter > INS > > > > > > > Now that'll be a lot of fun. > > > > > > Customer: "Hiya, I am trying to send mail to £$(^*()(".$£(*£$((a)~{.jp and it does not > > > work." > > > Helpdesk: "Oh" > > > > > > -- > > > Leigh > > > > Er, not really. The one format I've seen converts each character into a > > double-byte sequence. >

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RE: Eeek - .NU Domains using O, A, A, U, N - And More
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Got news for you ... that 1.6% is in the OTHER 75%, of the land surface, of this planet. Just because we have everyone beat in deployment, doesn't mean that it's going to stay that way forever. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf > Of Hank Nussbacher > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:13 PM > To: Kai Schlichting; nanog(a)merit.net > Cc: kai(a)pac-rim.net > Subject: Re: Eeek - .NU Domains using O, A, A, U, N - And More > > > > At 17:53 06/01/00 -0500, Kai Schlichting wrote: > >>Hello; January 6, 2000 > >> > >>NU domain now has a new, exclusive service available - > Support for your > local > >>language character set in any .NU Domain name you have > already registered. > > They forgot the marketing sentence: > > Be the first on your block where only 1.6% of the Internet > can send you email. > > -Hank > > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBOHWR5LSQZucFLn2bEQJ7WQCgt9H9LCuv6TTwtgnFqS4Sec+hWWEAoL7B zCA2nV7sS3BeP2lMY+nXwGd+ =OJhR - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA+AwUBOHWSQ7SQZucFLn2bEQL0nQCfboRyfEzO0TvjfhRJA0Gu6KWX710Al2Vd 63jSm/4pp1jgWgc0rTaaZ+0= =xVls -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Recall: Eeek - .NU Domains using �, �, �, �, � - And More
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

Roeland M.J. Meyer would like to recall the message, "Eeek - .NU Domains using Ö, Ä, Å, Ü, Ñ - And More".

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RE: Eeek - .NU Domains using O, A, A, U, N - And More
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Got news for you ... that 1.6% is in the OTHER 75%, of the land surface, of this planet. Just because we have everyone beat in deployment, doesn't mean that it's going to stay that way forever. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf > Of Hank Nussbacher > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:13 PM > To: Kai Schlichting; nanog(a)merit.net > Cc: kai(a)pac-rim.net > Subject: Re: Eeek - .NU Domains using O, A, A, U, N - And More > > > > At 17:53 06/01/00 -0500, Kai Schlichting wrote: > >>Hello; January 6, 2000 > >> > >>NU domain now has a new, exclusive service available - > Support for your > local > >>language character set in any .NU Domain name you have > already registered. > > They forgot the marketing sentence: > > Be the first on your block where only 1.6% of the Internet > can send you email. > > -Hank > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBOHWR5LSQZucFLn2bEQJ7WQCgt9H9LCuv6TTwtgnFqS4Sec+hWWEAoL7B zCA2nV7sS3BeP2lMY+nXwGd+ =OJhR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Eeek - .NU Domains using Ö, Ä, Å, Ü, Ñ - And More
by Kai Schlichting 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

Fellow NANOG readers, The following is sure to a.) break a lot of things DNS, Mail and Web-wise b.) have major impact in the form of confused customers calling your customer service departments c.) will hopefully fail. If the .NU people think they can undo RFC 1035 section 2.3.1 (see http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1035.html ) and bury interoperability at large for nothing else but sleazily gaining some commercial advantage in the registrar business, they are *so* wrong. bye,Kai >From: bill(a)mail.nic.nu >To: XXXXXXXXXXX(a)XXXXXXXXXXXXX.XXX >Subject: Announcing .NU Domains using Ö, Ä, Å, Ü, Ñ - And More >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:00:00 -0500 >X-Mailer: Allaire ColdFusion Application Server > > >Hello; January 6, 2000 > >NU domain now has a new, exclusive service available - Support for your local >language character set in any .NU Domain name you have already registered. > >You can pre-register today at http://www.nunames.nu/customers/secure > >Technical staff at .NU Domain, working under the guidance of >Dr. Paul Mockapetris, the inventor of the Internet's Domain Name >System (DNS), are developing an updated version of the DNS software >used on the internet which allows .NU Domain to provide this unique >service. Although the service is in its Beta or early test period, .NU >Domain will now accept pre-registrations of domain names that use >Swedish, Norwegian, Dutch, German, French, Spanish and a wide >range of other European character sets in any .NU Domain name. > >Examples which we are currently testing include: >http://SödraKärr.se.nu, http://FöreningsSparbanken.se.nu/, >http://domän.se.nu and http://tillbehör.se.nu/ > >For more information on this test, and the current limitations of the service, >please see http://www.nunames.nu/ISO-8859-test.htm > >NU domain is now giving all current customers an advance opportunity >to pre-register for this service, for a one-time fee of US$35. Since >the service requires that you already have an "English Alphabet" .NU >domain name registered and active (using only ASCII characters >a-z, 0-9), we have decided to postpone public announcement of this >new European character set service in order to allow our existing >customers to get first choice to pre-register their preferred domain >names using Swedish or other European language characters such as >Ö, Ä, Å, Ü, or Ñ. > >To pre-register now, and to qualify to take part in our test of this >unique new service, please go to >http://www.nunames.nu/customers/secure and log in to modify your >current .NU domain name to add this new service. Current policies >expect that your pre-registered domain name will be similar to your >current .NU domain name, with the addition of a Swedish or other >language's character(s) (for example, domain.nu and domän.nu). > >We will start accepting public registrations for this new service, which >will require registration of an English alphabet .NU domain name as well, >starting next week (January 10, 2000), on a first-come, first-served basis. > >And remember - no other Top Level domain in the world offers >this unique service. So we expect public interest - and registration rates - to >be very strong once we announce the service. > >Although we are not yet offering pre-registration for Asian names (using >Japanese, Chinese and other characters) we expect to also support those >language sets in the near future. Customers in Japan may want to contact >NU Certified Registrar, Kurosawa.net, http://www.nihongo.nu, for more >information (email support(a)kurosawa.net) > >If you have any questions about this new service, please contact our >support desk at support(a)mail.nic.nu or email me directly. > >Many thanks for your continuing support for .NU domain! > >Bill Semich >President and Founder >NU Domain Ltd >http://whats.nu > > > > > > >

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Re: Independent rating service of colocation facilities
by Sean Donelan 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

On Thu, 06 January 2000, Dave Crocker wrote: > So the alternative is much more effort and much more difficult, but > absolutely essential: The customer must have their own, independent access > to high-quality technical and operations expertise and the due diligence > must be detailed and in-person (such as the noted visual inspection of the > generatorS.) I would agree, except the most important parts in a colocation facility can't be checked with a quick visual inspection. If you see problems during your walkthrough, they are most likely serious problems. But a lot of stuff will be undetected just by the nature of facilities. Do you take air samples, collect a month of environmental data, plug in a power quality analyzer, take concrete samples? I've been in very chic data centers with very serious problems under the surface (or in the roof :-). A top quality audit of a data center is very time and money consuming. Doing one for every potential customer is a waste of a lot of money. Yes, I know, what company would risk its business without doing its own audit? But not every company has the expertise to know what is good, bad, and just a frill. > ps. The other burden this places on the customer is carefully and > reasonably formulating their REAL requirement. Demanding the best of > everything is entirely inappropriate for most businesses. You won't be > able to afford it and you don't need it. True, and one of the biggest problems I see with any ranking of the "best." You end up with things like the Forrester report which says Qwest is the "best" and Exodus will dissappear soon. I was thinking of more a Board of Health rating instead of a ranking. McDonalds and a five-star resturant both receive a Grade A. But there is still plenty of room for puffery and service competition. And perhaps breaking it up into classes, carrier-grade, data-grade, financial-grade, etc.

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Re: Eeek - .NU Domains using Ö, Ä, Å, Ü, Ñ - And More
by Vadim Antonov 07 Jan '00

07 Jan '00

"John M. Brown" <jmbrown(a)ihighway.net> wrote: > Ahh, lets just move to UniCode! :) I mean 63 char SLD's and then this... Ahh, just don't. Domain names are specified as case-insensitive. You cannot convert uppercase string in Unicode to lowercase (or vice versa) without knowing about all collation rules in all possible languages. (And, yes, precisely because of that your paranoid resolver won't be able to compare results of a reverse DNS lookup with what A records say - even if you don't plan to use domain names with Devanagari in it, people from these domains may visit your server). Having to install tons of locale configurations just to get name resolver to work does not strike me as a good idea. --vadim PS Unicode is broken-as-designed - it requires rich text format to do elementary things like lexicographic sorting or case-insensitive comparisons. If you do have RTF with language tags of some kind, Unicode is redundant.

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Re: Independent rating service of colocation facilities
by Dave Crocker 06 Jan '00

06 Jan '00

At 01:30 PM 1/4/2000 , Alex Bligh wrote: >Caveat emptor. Take customer references. Do due diligence. An elaboration on this fundamental observation. There are at least two ways one can attempt due diligence: pro forma vs. in-depth. Pro forma assumes competence, thoroughness, well-established definitions (and understandings) of relevant professional practises, etc. In other words, it assumes that you are working in a later-stage mature industry, so that everyone has a common understanding of things. The co-lo industry ain't there yet. So the alternative is much more effort and much more difficult, but absolutely essential: The customer must have their own, independent access to high-quality technical and operations expertise and the due diligence must be detailed and in-person (such as the noted visual inspection of the generatorS.) d/ ps. The other burden this places on the customer is carefully and reasonably formulating their REAL requirement. Demanding the best of everything is entirely inappropriate for most businesses. You won't be able to afford it and you don't need it. =-=-=-=-= Dave Crocker <dcrocker(a)brandenburg.com> Brandenburg Consulting <www.brandenburg.com> Tel: +1.408.246.8253, Fax: +1.408.273.6464 675 Spruce Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 USA

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