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ISP operational question
by Charles Smith 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

Please consider the following scenario: A new company wants to become a regional ISP. This company will purchase one or two large bandwidth circuits from a NSP of their choice. Then the new regional ISP will offer private line p2p Internet service to regional businesses. Basically, this is a small operation. Now here is the question. What choices does the regional ISP have when implementing routing and IP addressing? I assume the regional ISP will not implement BGP, since there will only be one maybe two upstream connections to a single NSP - initially. Furthermore, I assume the NSP would provide the regional ISP with a supernet - say a /20 or so. Then the regional ISP would allocate subnets of the supernet to their customer - say /24s. I also assume the regional ISP would not require an AS number since they are not implementing BGP. Basically, all traffic from the regional ISP and customers is default routed to the single upstream connection. Are these assumptions valid? Is this a good configuration? I realize multiple upstreams from different providers is optimal, however not plausdable in this case. Your constructive insight to the scenario is appreciated. Chas _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: Broadwing Summary
by Randy Bush 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

> Why is everyone refering to it as "buying routes"? Don't you mean transit? because some folk buy non-transit routes, aka "paid peering." randy

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Re: Broadwing Summary
by Sean Donelan 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

On Tue, 12 December 2000, smd(a)clock.org wrote: > Randy Bush writes: > | >> Tier-2 Network shooting for Tier-1 > | they buy routes. they dream of not buying routes. > > There is *always* buying of routes; it's more a question > of how much cash is exchanged, and in which direction(s). I'll sell you all the routes you want. Delivering the packets is another question. But most peering agreements are exceptionally vague about specific performance.

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Clue at @Home?
by Jim Logan 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

Anyone have a phone number for someone with a clue at @Home? Getting tired of their level 2 support telling me my packet loss is because I'm pointing to the wrong nameserver.... Ugh... --Jim _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: Broadwing Summary
by smd＠clock.org 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

Randy Bush writes: | >> Tier-2 Network shooting for Tier-1 | they buy routes. they dream of not buying routes. There is *always* buying of routes; it's more a question of how much cash is exchanged, and in which direction(s). Sean.

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Broadwing Summary Revised
by Karyn Ulriksen 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

The points below are a revision of the original Broadwing Summary posted at NANOG. As mentioned below, these points are unconfirmed any information on inaccuracies are welcome. Of note: The items listed below aren't "bad" or "good". If there is any slant towards a good or bad, it's because we focus on colocation and web farming and there are certain key points that we look out for in a NSP for our organization. So here is the revised summary of "factoids" (notice, not facts but *factoids*): Tier-2 Network shooting for Tier-1 Merger between IXC and Cincinatti Bell Originally focused as a LD voice network OC192 circuits focused for voice service Internet Peering structure still infant <DELETE: No MAE peering. Only private peering.> ## REVISED MAE peering does exist. One year old. Original COO moved to InterNAP. Similar staffing scenarios as GLBX. - Loss of Top & Mid Level Technical Staff - Staff churning in Sales & Tech <DELETE: Resells dial-up service for Ziplink > ## REVISED Ziplink out of the picture. Best to all. Let me know if anything else doesn't ring true. Flaming isn't necessary here, even though some wont feel that their day is complete unless they do [but that's what delete keys are for, eh?] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Best regards, Karyn Ulriksen Director of Network Operations PublicHost, A SiteStream Company 22 Mauchly, Suite 200 Irvine, California 92618 USA Phone: (949) 743-2000 email: kulriksen(a)publichost.com URL: http://www.publichost.com ===========================================

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Broadwing Summary
by Karyn Ulriksen 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

Per Request, I'm going to go ahead and list a summary of the points regarding my request for reference about Broadwing. It's sure to draw fire and I apologize to *everybody* for that in advance. The following list is not fully comfirmed, however, the points have been re-iterated on several occasion among the sixty or so emails that I have received regard my request for a reference: Tier-2 Network shooting for Tier-1 Merger between IXC and Cincinatti Bell Originally focused as a LD voice network OC192 circuits focused for voice service Internet Peering structure still infant No MAE peering. Only private peering. One year old. Original COO moved to InterNAP. Similar staffing scenarios as GLBX. - Loss of Top & Mid Level Technical Staff - Staff churning in Sales & Tech Resells dial-up service for Ziplink Please feel free to point out any inaccuracies (I know you all will anyways). Tried to keep to the facts here. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Best regards, Karyn Ulriksen Director of Network Operations PublicHost, A SiteStream Company 22 Mauchly, Suite 200 Irvine, California 92618 USA Phone: (949) 743-2000 email: kulriksen(a)publichost.com URL: http://www.publichost.com ===========================================

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Thanx for the Broadwing Feedback
by Karyn Ulriksen 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Thanks for all the excellent feedback from everybody. Normally, I'd express this to each person who got back to me, but there was ALOT of feedback. Thanx again. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Best regards, Karyn Ulriksen Director of Network Operations PublicHost, A SiteStream Company 22 Mauchly, Suite 200 Irvine, California 92618 USA Phone: (949) 743-2000 email: kulriksen(a)publichost.com URL: http://www.publichost.com ===========================================

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Re: Broadwing Reference Request
by Kevin_Badeen＠harte-hanks.com 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Had bad problems with them..... Kevin Badeen Unix Administrator Harte-Hanks Response Management 512.434.5999 Tel 877.446.5548 Pag |--------+-----------------------> | | Jeff Mcadams | | | <jeffm(a)iglou.| | | com> | | | Sent by: | | | owner-nanog@m| | | erit.edu | | | | | | | | | 12/12/2000 | | | 02:06 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: nanog(a)merit.edu | | cc: | | Subject: Re: Broadwing Reference Request | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Also sprach Dan.Brzoska(a)broadwing.com >Some of us have. ;) Some of us wish we hadn't. ;) -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm(a)iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456

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RE: Broadwing Reference Request
by Dan.Brzoska＠broadwing.com 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Some of us have. ;) -Daniel Brzoska | BroadWing Communications, Inc. dbrzoska(a)broadwing.com | http://lg.broadwing.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Karyn Ulriksen [mailto:kulriksen@publichost.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 2:23 PM To: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' Subject: Broadwing Reference Request Hi All, I have one our execs flapping about a deal he wants to put together with Broadwing. I've never heard of them. Has anybody else? Feel free to contact me off list or here in the forum. Thanx in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Best regards, Karyn Ulriksen Director of Network Operations PublicHost, A SiteStream Company 22 Mauchly, Suite 200 Irvine, California 92618 USA Phone: (949) 743-2000 email: kulriksen(a)publichost.com URL: http://www.publichost.com ===========================================

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