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Re: World Trade Center attack
by Robert Boyle 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

---- Original Message ---- From: fthom(a)flinthills.com To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:23:15 -0500 (CDT) > >anyone confirm that something happened at camp david? > >Frank >From what I have gathered: United Flight 93 was headed to SF, but was apparently redirect toward Camp David to crash. It didn't make it that far. Whether it was forced down by the pilot to save others or if it was shot down is not clear at this time. It did not reach Camp David. >From www.cnn.com: United Airlines Flight 93 airliner headed from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, crashed near Somerset, Pennsylvania -- police said initial reports indicated no survivors. United also confirmed the crash of Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles. >From www.ual.com: A Message from United Airlines Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jim Goodwin On behalf of all of us at United Airlines, I would like to extend our deepest sympathies and condolences to the individuals and families who had friends or loved ones onboard United Flight 93. United is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on this flight. We have pledged our full cooperation with these authorities. We will be posting all news, statements and other information related to the flight on this web site as soon as it becomes available. In closing, let me say again that our hearts go out to everyone who was onboard the flight, and to their loved ones, as well as everyone on the ground who may have been involved in the tragedy. We will hold them all close in our thoughts and our prayers. The toll-free phone number for families in the US to call is 1-800-932-8555. To check on any United flight status, please click "Home."

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INFORMATIONAL >> From NATO ..
by Robert Mathews 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

F Y I .. 11 September/septembre STATEMENT BY THE SECRETARY GENERAL OF NATO LORD ROBERTSON I condemn in the strongest possible terms the senseless attacks which have just been perpetrated against the United States of America. My sympathies go to the American people, the victims and their families. These barbaric acts constitute untolerable aggression against democracy and underline the need for the international community and the members of the Alliance to unite their forces in fighting the scourge of terrorism. DECLARATION DU SECRETAIRE GENERAL DE L'OTAN, LORD ROBERTSON Je condamne avec la plus grande vigueur les attaques qui viennent de se produire aux Etats-Unis. Mes sympathies et celles de l�Alliance vont au peuple am�ricain, aux victimes et � leurs proches. Ces actes barbares sont autant d�atteintes intol�rables � la d�mocratie et soulignent la n�cessit� pour la communaut� internationale et les membres de cette Alliance de faire front commun pour combattre le fl�au du terrorisme. *************************************************************************** Robert Mathews, MSc (Mgmt - Hons), Diplomate (Economics) Senior Scholar-In-Residence On National Security Affairs & U.S Industrial Preparedness @ University of Hawaii Telephone: 808.974.7383 (HI) / 315.733.3056 (NY) / 703.655.7124 (VA/WDC) Telecopier: 808.974.7693 (HI) / 315.733.1521 (NY) E.mail: mathews(a)hawaii.edu / mathews(a)CSATI.EDU NIC: MR3534-ORG

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A little more Pentagon detail
by Howard C. Berkowitz 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

I'm seeing more damage now to the Pentagon, but, if you don't know the construction of the Pentagon, it may be misleading. The building is really five concentric buildings (E ring to innermost A ring) separated by small courtyards and a larger one in the middle. You can see interior structure of at least one side of the five sides of the pentagon forming the outermost ring, near the heliport, but as far as I can tell, the inner wall of the E ring hasn't gone down. The other side of the building looks fine.

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RE: World Trade Center attack
by Greg Mirsky 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

http://www.arutzsheva.org/news.php3?id=9667&PHPSESSID=c61b4fc13e8e326ced4014 14013b24da Abu Dhabi television reports that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, headed by Naif Hawatme, has taken responsibility for the cataclysmic terrorist attack on the World Trade Center -----Original Message----- From: John Fraizer [mailto:nanog@Overkill.EnterZone.Net] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:10 AM To: Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr Cc: Greg Pendergrass; Stephane Bortzmeyer; 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: RE: World Trade Center attack They claimed credit on Palestinian TV. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr wrote: > > Where did you hear that? I've seen it quoted informally by a couple of > folks, but haven't seen it from any 'reliable' news source. > > cheers! > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, John Fraizer wrote: > > Palestine? They just claimed responsibility! > > > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Greg Pendergrass wrote: > > > > > > > > I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's > > > nice to know you care, though. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM > > > To: Greg Pendergrass > > > Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' > > > Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, > > > Greg Pendergrass <greg(a)band-x.com> wrote > > > a message of 9 lines which said: > > > > > > > Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into > > > > them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I > > > don't > > > > give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer > > > for > > > > those killed. > > > > > > Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people > > > are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > John Fraizer > > EnterZone, Inc > > > > > > ========================================================================== > "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound > desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to > avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now." > --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc

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RE: World Trade Center attack
by Kavi, Prabhu 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

I assume you are talking about the phone system. Not that this is any consolation to you, but the phone system is setup to operate this way during a disaster. When a disaster strikes an area, the phone systems are setup to allow mostly dial-out, rather than dial-in. The reason is that the people in the disaster area who are ok can call family outside the disaster area and get the word out. The family members who receive the call can then inform others outside the disaster area. Otherwise what naturally happens is that a flood of calls come in which ties up all the phone lines. People in the NYC/DC area cannot call out, and then all communications effectively stops. Having explained it, I understand it still doesn't make it better for you. Hope you hear from them soon. Prabhu > -----Original Message----- > From: Youse, Chuck [mailto:Chuck.Youse@ebone.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:22 AM > To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' > Subject: RE: World Trade Center attack > > > > I'm currently experiencing problems getting through to > friends/family in NYC > from London. > > Anybody else having the same issues ... ? > > Chuck Youse > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Pendergrass [mailto:greg@band-x.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:15 PM > To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' > Subject: World Trade Center attack > > > > Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after > planes flew into > them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly > dead. I don't > give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please > say a prayer for > those killed. > > Greg Pendergrass > >

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FW: U.S. Attacked
by Robert Boyle 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

This is from another list. I don't know how accurate this is, but it is more info than I have seen before. -R From: okitsme(a)sciencetools.com To: 356talk(a)356registry.org, Subject: FW: U.S. Attacked Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Hi All, Two passenger aircraft were hijacked, 90 people in one of them, 60 on the other, have struck both World Trade Center towers. One of the world trade center towerss has collapsed, the second is burning. The one was flight 11 from Boston to LA, the other was Washington Dulles to LA. Pentagon too has been attacked by an airplane crashing into it... And now we learn that a car bomb just went off outside the state department building Film NOW - turn on your set! Matt To unsubscribe (permanently or for vacations) click on the following http://www.356registry.org/356talk/index.html#Unsubscribe. For help or for comments on 356talk email rhansen(a)cableone.net or rdill(a)cyburban.com

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Allied Riser going out of business?
by John Palmer (NANOG List) 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

One of my clients has Allied Riser as their ISP and has heard rumors that the company is going out of business. I haven't seen any articles to this effect. Anyone know anything about this?

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RE: World Trade Center attack
by Greg Mirsky 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

Please, don't start political debate here. I feel sorry for those innocent victims but will never for terrorists, suicide bombers, kidnappers and alike. Sincerely, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Greg Pendergrass [mailto:greg@band-x.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:30 AM To: Stephane Bortzmeyer Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: RE: World Trade Center attack I would if they were killed in front of my face when I was watching. It's nice to know you care, though. -----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: World Trade Center attack On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:41AM -0400, Greg Pendergrass <greg(a)band-x.com> wrote a message of 9 lines which said: > Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into > them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't > give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for > those killed. Will you send a message to that mailing list each time innocent people are killed in Palestine, Chechenia, Macedonia, Afghanistan, etc?

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World Trade Center attack
by Greg Pendergrass 11 Sep '01

11 Sep '01

Both towers of the World Trade Center are burning after planes flew into them in an apparent suicide attack. Many people are certainly dead. I don't give a damn what network disruption this causes, but please say a prayer for those killed. Greg Pendergrass

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RE: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ... )
by Hire, Ejay 10 Sep '01

10 Sep '01

Em... I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but I expect the Provider-in-the-middle isn't using NAT, They are probably using RFC 1918 Ip space for Transit links. This does not necessarily imply that they are using Nat. Using RFC 1918 space inside a network on transit segments that will be passing data but not generating it makes sense. No-one really needs to be able to Ping/SNMP-Query/http attack my routers serial links. using RFC 1918 space on these links precludes that possibility because my interfaces are not addressable on the public internet. Comments: -----Original Message----- From: bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 8:56 PM To: andy(a)xecu.net Cc: bicknell(a)ufp.org; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...) > Can you show damages in the situation of email? Yes. With packets? No. And > before you come back at me with some crazy convoluted contrived scenario, > let's just realize how far off the beaten path we are at this point. If > your ISP is going to force you to use NAT, "against your will", get a new > fricking provider. For that matter, what ISP NATs you against your will? Not quite so friend Andy. Someone in UAE claims that I sent porn to them. And investigation shows that not only is there a NAT one hop away from the purported victim, there is -another- NAT in the path, injected by some intermediate ISP as well as the one injected by my provider. Now I can chage my provider to one w/o NAT. I can even get the PV to change their provider (well maybe, given they are in UAE) But how can we avoid the intermediate ISP that is in the transit path? And can I persuade the judge that since NATs are known to muck about w/ addresses & such that I can construct a case that what was received did not come from me. So the porn came from one of the NAT operators. > > Andy Dills 301-682-9972 > Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access >

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