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RE: Rebuild the WTC?
by Chris Grout 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

I apologize that you feel my intent here was to insult anyone, and offer my sincere apologies to you, and anyone else that took it that way. The intent here was to share a small, light-hearted symbol of defiance I had come across during these grim times. Fortunately, most seem to see it as just that and nothing more. Chris At 11:13 PM 9/14/2001 -0400, David Eitel wrote: >Do NOT feel free to share your insults with this list. I'm a New Yorker and >find you very disrespectful.

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Re: Lack of Security
by Kevin Day 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

> > > At 09:42 PM 9/12/2001, Robert Hough wrote: > >The security we display in most aspects of our society echo the same > >security we display in most of our networks as well. > > > >Now ask yourself, why was it so easy to hijack these planes? Because we > >have sacrificed security for convenience - and our enemy used that > >against us. Well, something to chew on. G'Night. > > Can someone explain to me how only allowing ticketed passengers past > security checkpoints is going to accomplish anything toward increased > security? The only thing I can even dream of is that it will reduce the > number of people passing the checkpoints. I have a feeling this one isn't going to stick. Most airports weren't designed for this. I pick people up from O'Hare at least a few times a month. Other than the baggage claim (which is nearly packed during busy times) where can you meet someone? I'd venture to say at least 25% of the people hanging out in the gate areas are there to pick people up. Where are these people going to go? If I remember correctly each of the baggage claim levels at O'hare has one set of bathrooms, and at most one place to buy a drink at. There's almost nowhere to sit. The monitors aren't showing info about flights except those that have landed. People who normally wouldn't have to go to the baggage claim at all (no bags checked) are going to have to go there to meet people, adding to the crowding even more. There's just nowhere else to do this. Adding to the fact that after this alot of people are *really* nervous about flying, and having a friendly face there at the gate for them is important. In addition, this requires you to coordinate *where* you're going to meet someone, rather than just being able to be at the gate they're arriving at. I realize the significance of making changes in the wake of this, however this one is (in my opinion) really unacceptable. I sent a letter off to the director of the FAA today expressing similar thoughts. If you feel the same way, you may wish to as well. I know I'm probably not very popular right now, to be complaining about "added security", but the very weak additional security this may provide is already outweighed by much much bigger weaknesses elsewhere. If the problem is wanting more time spent at the checkpoints, I've *never* seen all the checkpoints open at a time, on any of the terminals. Opening more up couldn't hurt. I know this is really getting non-operational, but keep this in mind if any of you are getting called to meet&greet people at the airport over the next few weeks. I spent a good amount of time today dealing with this very problem with some travellers coming here over the coming weeks. -- Kevin

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AT&T Switch operational in basement of WTC
by Randy Neals 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Seems almost too good to be true... Does anyone know any more about this? AT&T's switch in the basement apparently operated after the collapse until 4PM. They expect to recover the switch hardware.... Hmmmm... So if you can build a switch room that doesn't collapse when 2 x 110 story buildings fall on it, why not get those engineers to design the building so it doesn't collapse in the first place? -R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom AT&T equipment survived trade center collapse =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= PHILADELPHIA, Sept 12 (Reuters) - AT&T Corp. (NYSE:T - news), the No. 1 U.S. long-distance telephone and cable television company, said its communications network carried a flood of heavy calling volume on Wednesday, but remained unharmed after its equipment survived the collapse of the World Trade Center. Calling volume on "the network is running about about 20 percent above a typical Wednesday morning," AT&T spokesman Dave Johnson said. "There's heavy inbound surge to the New York and Washington areas and some network congestion, but nothing like yesterday." AT&T handles about 300 million voice telephone calls a day. It carried 431 million calls on Tuesday as customers flooded the telephone lines in the wake of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, making it the heaviest business day in the company's network history, Johnson said. AT&T's local network switching equipment, which routes telephone calls, was located in the basement of the World Trade Center towers and survived the implosion of the buildings, Johnson said. "It appears the equipment has survived ... It was up and alive and still providing dial tone by 4 o'clock yesterday afternoon. Once the back-up batteries ran out, we took them offline, but the equipment is still working," Johnson said. "We were amazed," he said. "It was several stories under ground and all I can say is that they must have built up that basement very sturdy.'' The switching equipment handled calls for AT&T business customers in Lower Manhattan. The company rerouted calls and suffered no network outages, Johnson said. AT&T will retrieve the equipment once it gets approval from New York City and disaster teams to approach the rubble of the World Trade Center. The New York-based company said none of its employees were injured or killed in the attacks.

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RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
by Roeland Meyer 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

|> From: Barney Wolff [mailto:barney@databus.com] |> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:39 PM |> In the long run Islam will have to purge itself of its |> Crusaders, just |> as other religions largely have. The war is not against Islam but |> against a set of murderous fanatics, and it would be foolish indeed |> NOT to hate them. It would be foolish to hate them. Hate clouds the judgement. Measured deadly force will be sufficient. No more and no less. We are capable of a great deal of precision these days. Sloppyness shouldn't be tolerated. Contrary to randy's statement, our society has become increasingly more effective against terrorists and guerrillas. Sadly, it is because more and more of our planet is now inhabited. Where one used to be able to hide a 100,000 man army, one can no longer hide a lit match, without some satellite finding it or some wanker complaining about it to the local constabulary. Both terrorists and guerillas depend on being able to hide. That is increasingly more difficult, ask the Columbian drug cartels.

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front sight [OT]
by Gregory Hicks 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

I thought it interesting... FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 12, 2001 CONTACT: Dr. Ignatius Piazza 1.800.987.7719 Fax: 831.684.2137 e-mail: info(a)frontsight.com http://www.frontsight.com FREE GUN TRAINING FOR COMMERCIAL PILOTS LAS VEGAS, NEVADA: In the aftermath of the World Trade Center attack, Front Sight Firearms Training Institute, which claims to be the world leader in providing intensified courses in the defensive use of firearms for private citizens and law enforcement alike, feels they have the answer to stopping commercial airliners from being used as ballistic missiles. Front Sight will train every commercial pilot in the world FREE OF CHARGE in the defensive use of the handgun. Front Sight will accept for training all certified pilots and co-pilots from all commercial airliners that submit a request for training on commercial airliner letterhead, designating the pilot and co-pilot to carry a handgun in the cockpit to defend access to the airliner. The request for training letter must have the notarized signature of the airline's chief executive. Front Sight's Founder and Director, Dr. Ignatius Piazza understands that his offer may offend those who lack resolve in stopping terrorists from turning airliners into weapons of mass destruction. However, he is quick to point out that the World Trade Center attack is a new realm of terror, not previously witnessed in the world. Prior to the World Trade Center attack, terrorists were content to hijack planes and divert them to safe landings in exchange for negotiated release of imprisoned comrades. In extreme cases, terrorists have committed suicide by exploding the grounded plane. Airliners have also been targeted with bombs and possibly missiles to spectacularly explode in flight, killing all on board. The World Trade Center attack was a new form of terrorism, where the commercial airliner, loaded with fuel for a cross country flight is redirected from the cockpit and turned into an accurate missile of mass destruction. Front Sight knows this form of terrorism can be stopped immediately by arming all pilots and co-pilots and training them in the proper methods of defending their cockpits. "Commercial airliners must be willing to take an uncompromising stand that will not allow anyone, under any circumstances to access the controls of an airliner," says Piazza. "The pilot and co-pilot, are responsible for the security of the cockpit. Without a handgun to defend it, the cockpit crew is easily defeated. However, when both pilot and co-pilot are armed and trained by Front Sight, they have the tools, ability, and will to defend themselves and repel the murderous intent of terrorists. In an emergency, the pilot can fly the plane to a safe landing while the co-pilot covers the door of the cockpit- ready and willing to use deadly force to prevent anyone from opening the door." Dennis Vied, a retired TWA Captain with 28 years of experience flying commercial airliners and Front Sight student fully agrees with Front Sight's solution. Captain Vied states, "The terrorists knew that they would face no opposition to the hijacking, once they managed to get on the airplane. All they had to do was threaten to do something to a passenger, and they would be allowed access to the cockpit. If that didn't work, then they just had to hurt somebody, which in this case they did. Apparently they cut the throats of two of the flight attendants. The terrorists knew they would face no armed opposition, because the airline screening process would insure that nobody on the airplane would be armed. We have such an abhorrence to guns that we fail to allow the good people to arm themselves for defense. Therefore they are at the mercy of bad people- in this case the terrorists. I sincerely hope that this is a wakeup call to America. I think they should arm the crews, or at least allow those that want to be armed to do so. Otherwise, you're at the mercy of some crazy son-of-a-bitch armed with a box cutter! How absolutely absurd! There is so much emphasis on prevention, and precious little emphasis on the ultimate lines of defense." Aaron Benedetti, a United Airline 747 co-pilot since 1990 is a Platinum member at Front Sight and has already attended Front Sight courses in defensive handgun, tactical shotgun, and practical rifle. Through Front Sight's training, Benedetti is ready, willing and able to defend the cockpit of his aircraft if given the proper tools and authority to do so. Benedetti states, "We get recurrent training regarding hijacking and security procedures, but the training centers around placating and negotiating with the terrorists to safely land the plane. We are told not to make any aggressive move and to work toward a calm outcome. The World Trade Center disaster is a real blind spot in our training. The attack reveals that perhaps the only way the pilots could have stopped it would have been to deny access to the cockpit and stop the terrorists from taking over the controls of the plane by any means possible. In the future, we should consider that with the cockpit doors locked and the co-pilot guarding the door with a handgun, calm negotiations can still take place via intercom to land the plane safely thus avoiding another World Trade Center scenario." Aaron Benedetti recommends all airlines to take advantage of Front Sight's solution and offer. He returns to Front Sight later his year for further training on his own. Lieutenant Bob Redmond, SWAT Commander of Nye County Sheriff's Department concurs that Front Sight's training is exactly what the commercial airliners need and that they should immediately begin sending their pilots to Front Sight. Redmond, who sends his SWAT officers to Front Sight for firearms and tactical training states, "Front Sight's training exceeds levels offered by most if not all law enforcement agencies throughout the country. Front Sight's training is so good that I want every officer we have in the department to attend every course Front Sight offers. If airlines sent their pilots to Front Sight, it would be like having SWAT officers in the sky." Mark Donovan, a pilot for Southwest Airlines, who has taken over ten Front Sight courses in the last two years finds the current situation of unarmed pilots rather incredulous. Donavan explains, "The political climate in commercial aviation prior to the World Trade Center attack has not been conducive to arming pilots. In fact, just the opposite has occurred. Airlines have disarmed pilots to the point where a terrorist with a box cutter can take over control of a plane because no one is armed to defend the plane or themselves. Yet, numerous federal agencies are allowed to carry a gun on commercial airlines, including such dubiously qualified agencies as, Bureau of Engraving and Printing, Department of Agriculture, Department of Education, and the Smithsonian Institution! Why are federal agents from these obscure agencies allowed to carry a gun on board when a pilot with firearms training from Front Sight Firearms Training Institute is not allowed? My training at Front Sight far exceeds anything the federal government offers to these agencies." Donovan continues, "If we, as pilots are not given the means and authority to defend our aircraft as a last means of defense, then who will? It is apparent that time was not available to negotiate with the madmen in the World Trade Center attack. Clearly, a properly trained flight crew with a handgun could have saved countless lives. Front Sight offers this training. I urge all federal decision makers to seriously examine Front Sight's solution to the problem. I believe it is the only credible answer to stopping another horrendous tragedy." Front Sight is the Solution to Gun Violence Piazza reiterates, "Front Sight is truly part of the solution to gun violence in this country. Everyone agrees that law enforcement should have the very best training available. Front Sight provides it. And everyone agrees, regardless of what side of gun control one stands, that if law abiding private citizens are going to own firearms they should be trained. Front Sight provides such training to levels that exceeds the law enforcement community. Front Sight now offers the solution to stopping and forever preventing another World Trade Center attack by training commercial airline pilots to be that last line of defense for their passengers, airline, and our country. Front Sight stands ready, willing, and able to serve." Dr. Ignatius Piazza 1.800.987.7719 Front Sight Firearms Training Institute www.frontsight.com Captain Dennis Vied, retired TWA Pilot 925.455.0133 Aaron Benedetti, United Airlines Co-Pilot 925.454.5214 Lt.Bob Redmond, Nye County SWAT Commander 775.751.7002 Mark Donovan, SouthWest Pilot 702.270.3912 http://www.frontsight.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3479 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks(a)cadence.com

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Re: front sight [OT]
by Gregory Hicks 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 04:23:42 +0300 (IDT) > From: Rafi Sadowsky <rafi-nanog(a)meron.openu.ac.il> > > Gregory, > > Isn't quoting all that sales talk a bit closer to SPAM than off-topic ? > Me an hamnida... (Very, very sorry) It still seemed interesting. However, I'll watch what I post more closely... Again, Sorry! Regards, Gregory Hicks

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Status of DSL.Net
by wgray＠wwns.net 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Does anybody know what is actually happening with DSL.Nets network?

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New power failure - NBC
by Sean Donelan 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

NBC news went off the air, NBC is now broadcasting from their backup location in New Jersey. NBC reports additional utility failures in Manhattan.

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Re: AT&T Switch operational in basement of WTC
by Sean Donelan 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Here is AT&T's official media statement. While technically correct, omits some information. FOR RELEASE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 Media Advisory On AT&T Network AT&T reports there is no damage to its long distance network as a result of todays emergency situation in New York City and Washington D.C. However, as a result of the emergency situation, there is higher than normal calling volume into the affected areas. To ensure ample network capacity for emergency calls in the affected areas, AT&T recommends that customers not call New York City or Washington D.C.

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Re: Tropical storm Gabrielle - Florida
by Sean Donelan 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Oops, cut&pasting error. The storm hit this morning, this evening the power is still out. On Fri, 14 September 2001, Sean Donelan wrote: > Tropical storm Gabrielle hit florida this evening near Venice, FL. > According to news reports approximately 500,000 people are without power. > Additional people may lose power as the storm cross the state. Florida > Power Corp estimates it will be late Saturday before power is restored.

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