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Slightly off-optic: Leaving Jippii
by Jan-Ahrent Czmok 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Hi all, times are changing, so do i. I will be quitting my job at 31/12/2001 at Jippii GmbH therefore also as a contact for AS5409, AS8543, AS6667 and AS8782 and es.jippii, de.jippii and uk.jippii . My 'former' collegues are taking over my job under 'peering(a)jippii.net' and after that time, i'll be consulting Jippii in regards of peering issues. It was a wonderful time since 1996, but i'm not completely lost. Starting 1st January 2002 i start my work at Global Access Telecommunications also in Frankfurt. I also will continure my ongoing work at the EIX-WG, IPv6-WG and RIPE/IETF Issues. Also i will be reachable at 'czmok(a)gatel.net' from now on. My old Account (jan.czmok(a)jippiigroup.com) will still work for quite a while... So hope to see some of you at one of the next ripe meetings ... Greetings Jan Czmok -- Jan-Ahrent Czmok http://www.czmok.de/ mailto:czmok@gatel.net Senior Network Engineer, Global Access, Stefanstrasse 3, 60313 Frankfurt Tel. +49-(0)-69-299896-0 Fax. +49-(0)-69-299896-66 "Routing is irrelevant. BGP4+ will be assimilated"

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multiple b0rkenness?
by John Payne 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

The silence is deafening... multiple provider brokenness, (I'm seeing problems on abovenet and XO and have heard of problems on at least 3 other big providers) and no Donelan special report, or anyone asking if $provider is having trouble? Or is the mailing list broken? -- John Payne http://sackheads.org/jpayne/ john(a)sackheads.org http://sackheads.org/uce/ Fax: +44 870 0547954 To send me mail, use the address in the From: header

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Re: Question on Source Routing Option
by tarun banka 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Hello All, Thanks to all who replied to my question. Just want to clarify that I need this information for my research Project. I am trying to measure performance of our server software which delivers Real Time Radar Data from a remote radar site to the client using internet. I want to study how does path taken by packets will effect the performance of our software. Please advise if there are other ways of selecting paths if source routing can't be used. Thanks Tarun >From: "tarun banka" <t_banka(a)hotmail.com> >To: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Question on Source Routing Option >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:56:56 > > >Hello > >I am not sure if this is the right forum to seek answer but >i >still would like to try. I am graduate student in department of computer >science at colorado state university. I am trying to source route my >packets on the internet, I want my packets to take specified path from >server to client and vice versa. I am aware that source routing option is >disabled because of security risks. I want to know is there any tool which >can help me in finding what routers that can support source routing. It >will be so nice if you could help me as I am not finding appropriate >information..It will help me allot in my research work. > >With Regards > >Tarun > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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560 Washington
by Cristopher Daniluk 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Does anyone know the status of Verizon's CO at 560 Washington? We have a circuit into the building which is offline while they "redesign", presumably to compensate for the tremendous added capacity. Does anyone know an approximate ETA before the CO is fully operational again, and what the scope of the work is? Thanks, Cris

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Concentric problems?
by Jeff Oliver 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Anyone from concentric got thier ears on? Jeff Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to 208.37.205.251 1 fe2-1-1.access3.pal-ca.us.xo.net (207.88.240.73) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 ge9-0.tran1.pal-ca.us.xo.net (64.220.0.17) [AS 2828] 4 msec 4 msec 0 msec 3 p1-0.tran1.scl-ca.us.xo.net (64.0.0.1) [AS 2828] 0 msec 4 msec 0 msec 4 207.88.3.170 [AS 2828] 48 msec 48 msec 44 msec 5 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 48 msec 52 msec 48 msec 6 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 48 msec 84 msec 48 msec 7 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 48 msec * 48 msec 8 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 48 msec 48 msec 48 msec 9 * Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 48 msec 52 msec 10 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 48 msec 48 msec 48 msec 11 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 48 msec * 48 msec 12 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 48 msec 48 msec 48 msec 13 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 52 msec 52 msec 52 msec 14 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 48 msec 52 msec 48 msec 15 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 52 msec 56 msec * 16 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 48 msec 52 msec 52 msec 17 * Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 232 msec 256 msec 18 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 224 msec 240 msec 224 msec 19 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 200 msec 204 msec 200 msec 20 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 204 msec 204 msec 204 msec 21 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 208 msec 200 msec 204 msec 22 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 200 msec 168 msec 236 msec 23 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 228 msec 220 msec * 24 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 156 msec 52 msec 52 msec 25 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 52 msec 56 msec * 26 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 52 msec 52 msec 52 msec 27 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 56 msec 56 msec 52 msec 28 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 56 msec 56 msec 52 msec 29 Houston2.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.6) [AS 2828] 56 msec 56 msec 56 msec 30 Houston1.NextlinkNCO.DS3.WAN.daf.concentric.net (208.177.2.5) [AS 2828] 56 msec 52 msec 56 msec -- "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware problem with a software patch, and a user with an idea!" Hit any user to continue . . . .

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paix (was Re: The backbone that sucks least? )
by Paul A Vixie 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

someone wrote to me in private mail that i think needs a public response (though naturally with all identifying marks removed.) > Last I heard, PAIX was full and had been full (and with a waiting list for > any space that might become available) for several years. palo alto has been full on and off for several years. the waiting list gets good churn though -- when northpoint went out of business that freed up 10 racks, for example. it's absolutely worthwhile to talk to the paix sales team about palo alto and get yourself on the waiting list. we're also working on reviving the quarter-rack pricing model to get more peers into racks that become available. > How much space is presently available? I am looking both for my own > employer (our needs are minimal, one cabinet at each location, at least 8 > locations around the world), eng1=# select site,descrip,shipto from site where colo; site | descrip | shipto ------+-----------------+------------------------------------------------------ pao1 | Palo Alto 1 | 529 Bryant St, Palo Alto, CA 95301 USA atl1 | Atlanta 1 | 56 Marrieta St, Floor 5 and 7, Atlanta GA 30303-2885 bos1 | Boston 1 | 1 Summer St, 4th Floor, Boston MA 02110-1001 dfw1 | Dallas 1 | 1950 Stemmons Fwy, 1st Floor, Dallas TX 75207-3107 lax1 | Los Angeles 1 | 611 W 6th St, Los Angeles CA 90017-3101 jfk1 | New York 1 | 76 9th Ave, #734, New York NY 19911-5201 sea1 | Seattle 1 | 2001 6th St, 12th Floor, Seattle WA 98121-2855 iad1 | Virginia 1 | 7990 Science Applications Ct, Vienna VA 00000-0000 sfo1 | San Francisco 1 | 365 Main St #110, San Francisco, CA (9 rows) of these, pao1 is somewhat full but worth asking about; bos1, lax1, sfo1 are not open yet; the others have plenty of space available since they're all fairly new. we're selling peering ports at e-exchange in san francisco (200 Paul Street) and will shortly begin selling them at mae-ames as well, in case somebody is either already at those locations and wants to peer with paix's participants, or needs bay area space and can't wait for our san francisco site to open up. eng1=# select site,descrip,shipto from site where not colo; site | descrip | shipto ------+-----------------+------------------------------------------------------ mia1 | Miami 1 | 1 NE 1st St, Metro Mall 5th Floor, Miami FL 33132 phl1 | Philly 1 | 401 N Broad St, 9th Floor, Philadelphia, PA 19130 sjc1 | San Jose 1 | MFN-SJC2, North First St, San Jose CA sfo2 | San Francisco 2 | 200 Paul Street, San Francisco CA 94124 mia1 and phl1 are switch&data locations where we've got switches installed and are selling peering ports. sjc1 is an abovenet location. (i'd be happy to put a paix peering switch at exodus if there's dark fiber available.) and on the topic of exodus: > and for a friend who has several cages full > of equipment at Exodus in Santa Clara. i wish folks would stop worrying so much about exodus. even if the rumours are true and a bankruptcy is in the offing, that probably means protection, not liquidation. psi has been under protection for months now, and is still operating.

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GPS SA and Network Timing
by Eric Germann 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

During the recent attacks, there was a brief discussion as to whether the USG had or would invoke GPS SA. We have a client who is building a broad ATM network and had planned to use GPS based timing solutions from TrueTime for a clocking source, in addition to a feed from the LEC. If GPS SA is invoked down the road during a crisis, what effect is there, if any, on networks which rely on GPS for timing, not positioning? Eric ========================================================================== Eric Germann CCTec ekgermann(a)cctec.com Van Wert OH 45801 http://www.cctec.com Ph: 419 968 2640 Fax: 603 825 5893 "It is so easy to miss pretty trivial solutions to problems deemed complicated. The goal of a scientist is to find an interesting problem, and live off it for a while. The goal of an engineer is to evade interesting problems :)" -- Vadim Antonov <avg(a)kotovnik.com> on NANOG

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Re: The backbone that sucks least?
by Paul A Vixie 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

> > i don't know whether their backbone is good or not, but their proactive > > monitoring and subsequent issue tracking is just Great, that's all, Great. > > whoever set it up should definitely buy themselves a cigar, or whatever. > > Would you say UUNET handling of (non-direct customer) abuse complaints > tracking to be great as well ? at the moment, no. here is "scan `pick -to abuse(a)alter.net +spam/sent`": 4 04/14 To:abuse@alter.ne spam website on your network - plz handle (www.b 7 04/14 To:abuse@alter.ne spam source on your network - plz handle (mailer 25 04/14 To:abuse@alter.ne spam source on your network - plz handle (mailer 30 04/14 To:abuse@alter.ne spam source on your network - plz handle (mailer 34 04/14 To:abuse@alter.ne spam dropbox on your network - plz handle (remyo 43 04/14 To:abuse@alter.ne spam source on your network - plz handle (mailer 47 04/14 To:abuse@alter.ne spam source on your network - plz handle (mailer 52 04/14 To:abuse@alter.ne spam source on your network 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RE: GPS SA and Network Timing
by Hire, Ejay 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

In our next episode of Militant dictator How-to, we'll show you how to upgrade an antique scud missile to with a guidance system capable of 3-meter accuracy for less than $500.00 per unit.. Stay tuned! -----Original Message----- From: Ian A Finlay [mailto:iaf@andrew.cmu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:03 AM To: Eric Germann Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: GPS SA and Network Timing Hello Eric, I recently purchased a GPS. The manual indicates that SA has no effect on timing. SA only affects positioning. Actually, I just downloaded the latest firmware. They now have something called WAAS (http://www.magellangps.com/press/general/pr010521waas.htm) Quoting from that URL: "WAAS, developed by the United States government, calculates errors in the GPS signal then transmits correction messages to WAAS-capable GPS receivers. Upgraded Magellan receivers provide higher accuracy, not only from WAAS signals, but also when receiving correction signals from the European Geostationary Navigation Overlay System (EGNOS), which covers Europe. Additionally, projected specifications for the forthcoming Multifunctional Transport Satellite-based Augmentation System (MSAS) for Asia suggest that upgraded Magellan receivers will work with this system as well. As a result, Magellan customers will gain better than three-meter positioning accuracy throughout much of the world." Regards, Ian

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Re: GPS SA and Network Timing
by rs＠seastrom.com 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

"Eric Germann" <ekgermann(a)cctec.com> writes: > During the recent attacks, there was a brief discussion as to whether the > USG had or would invoke GPS SA. We have a client who is building a broad > ATM network and had planned to use GPS based timing solutions from TrueTime > for a clocking source, in addition to a feed from the LEC. > > If GPS SA is invoked down the road during a crisis, what effect is there, if > any, on networks which rely on GPS for timing, not positioning? If one is running in locked-position mode (supported by many receiver elements that are designed specifically for timing applications such as the Motorola Oncore UT; I'm not sure what is inside the Truetime, but it wouldn't surprise me to find it's one of the Oncore family...), induced error is substantially less, but even in the worst case, you're looking at tens to a couple of hundred nanoseconds. In short, nothing that you would notice if you're using GPS as an NTP source. Be aware though (getting back to your original question) that even in the best of times jitter on GPS is more than you would really like to have for a telecom clocking application. This is mitigated somewhat by the fact that you are not getting raw GPS data in most cases, but rather the output from a crystal oscillator that is "steered" by GPS. The high-end GPS-based units often have an OCXO instead of an el-cheapo crystal, in order to help hold-over performance. The GPS-based timing vendors would have you believe that GPS is every bit as good as cesium for a stratum 1 frequency reference, and it's probably good enough for you too, but if you want to be pedantic about it, it's not as good. Does it really matter? I don't think so... particularly in the context of the price of a Cs standard. If the LEC is willing to give you a feed, though, why worry about it? I've seen applications that only have a LEC feed run for years on end. You could always get a rubidium standard (cheaper than Cs by a long shot) if you're worried about what happens if your feed from the LEC dies... ---Rob

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