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bandwidth providers in 60 hudson
by Jim Mercer 31 May '02

31 May '02

i'm looking to buy some decent connectivity for a suite on the 18th floor of 60 hudson, NYC. OC3 or 100m ethernet. direct or indirect connectivity to some exchanges would be good too. private email would be nice. -- [ Jim Mercer jim(a)reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ I want to live forever, or die trying. ]

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Betr.: KPNQwest
by eric＠mails.ch 31 May '02

31 May '02

well bad & sad news, http://www.totaltele.com/view.asp?ArticleID=52446&pub=tt&categoryid=0

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RE: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)
by Kyle C. Bacon 31 May '02

31 May '02

We have two POP's and a colo in Detroit. One in Southfield, one in Troy, both on the North side of Detroit. FNSI -> http://www.fnsi.net If anyone is looking for reliable access from a profitable regional player, I'll volunteer. :) K Paul Timmins <paul@timmins To: Brian <bri(a)sonicboom.org> .net> cc: Deepak Jain <deepak(a)ai.net>, jpalmer(a)utilinc.com, nanog(a)nanog.org Sent by: Subject: RE: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under (was owner-nanog@m RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions) erit.edu 05/30/2002 08:00 PM As far as I know, the following national providers exist in Detroit: (This is by no means, a complete list, and some of these aren't "Big Name" providers, but less likely to go under than John Q Random ISP) Verio Winstar XO AT&T Qwest Covad Level 3 SBC I've heard rumors of speakeasy.net, which I think resells internap I'm sure there's a few other national networks, these are just the ones I have heard of off the top of my head. -Paul On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 19:27, Brian wrote: > > Surprised there isnt much connectivity in the Detroit area, I mean it is > Motor City and all, I would think tons of manufacturing palnts all needing > telecom of some sort or other.. > > Bri > > On Thu, 30 May 2002, Deepak Jain wrote: > > > > > > > Clearly anyone in your market is buying from someone outside of your market. > > The fees associated with reliability (if available) are a function of your > > geography. Large providers are concentrating on the markets that are making > > them the most money. > > > > If you get a few networks in your area that want to save money on the cost > > of reliability you can run a couple of circuits to the next large market and > > try to knit together a reliable network and divide the costs that way. > > > > My guess is that with more large providers on a profit-centered basis you > > won't see the same kind of pricing equality you have been seeing between > > Tier 1 and Tier N markets anymore. > > > > Deepak Jain > > AiNET > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of > > John Palmer > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:39 PM > > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > > Subject: RE: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under > > (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions) > > > > > > > > Its just that they aren't local and there is no need to pay for > > a circuit all the way to Chicago. It seems that so many providers > > have moved out of Macomb county. Anyone have any experience with > > BigNet? We are talking to them now > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Woodcock [mailto:woody@zocalo.net] > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:42 PM > > To: John Palmer > > Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org > > Subject: Re: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under > > (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions) > > > > > > > Who can one rely on for connectivity? In general and in the Detroit > > area? > > > I put out a request for bids on T-1's and all the national providers > > were > > > way too high... > > > > Haven't you just answered your own question? I guess if you think > > reliable service is too expensive, you're not in the market for reliable > > service, no? > > > > -Bill > > > > > > >

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CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions
by John Palmer 31 May '02

31 May '02

CAIS sold our account to NAS. They did this about 5 months back. They are just now getting around to cutting us over. This involves Covad making some changes in their switch somewhere. Back last May, it was PSINet that was selling our account to CAIS. They sent us an e-mail to announce that they were taking over the account and sent us a list of the account details that they had for us. The information was wrong. I sent them corrections. Also made sure they knew that we had our own IP addresses and to be sure to coordinate the BGP stuff with PSI when cutting over. They didn't. PSI kept announcing the routes. Ardent didnt announce them. It took me FIVE DAYS to get them to fix it. Waited on hold for 45 minutes more than 7 times and finally talked to brain dead drones on the other end each time. No luck. Finally wheedled the PSI NOCs direct number out of someone on the phone at PSI and called them. They dropped the route announcements for us. Then it took three more days to get in touch with someone at Ardent. I was able to do that by posting a message here. One of their engineers called me and we had it fixed in ten minutes. Fast forward to Dec/Jan 2001/2002: Now, CAIS (called Ardent now) sold us to Network Access Solutions (NAS). We have been paying them ever since Dec or so. Two months ago, they sent the same kind of e-mail: "We'll be cutting over your connection soon, please fill out this questionnaire, etc". I did so, and wrote a long tome at the end warning them not to mess up the BGP stuff. "It couldn't be that bad twice, could it?" I though to myself. I crossed my fingers. In their e-mail, they told me that they would soon get back to me with a cutover date. This afternoon, at 4:40PM, I got the message "Your cutover date/time is 5PM-8PM Eastern May 29, 2002 (today)" and "The date cannot be changed". Also they said "If you have your own IP addresses", it may take till midnight till the routes propagate (Now I know I'm in trouble - 5pm till midnight?). No sooner did I read the message than the connection went dead. Not the circuit, just the BGP announcements. Its now 7AM Eastern time. We've been offline 13 hours now. Phone drone at NAS says "Hmm, your not listed on our cutover sheet today". I put two and two together: They told Ardent "drop the routes today at 5" and then lost the paperwork internally so the cutover did not happen, but Ardent dropped the routes. Just got off the phone with them again after sitting on hold for 45 minutes. They dont seem to get the message that its a BGP problem and not the circuit. Last time, when we had problems, some kind engineer from CAIS sent me e-mail and offered to help and, like I said, he got us back online in, like 10 minutes. If you're out there, please let me know. I need your help again Please reply to jpp(a)well.com as the e-mail on this message is not accessible at this time. Sorry to bug all of you with this. Let see: 13 hours and running. Last time it was five days. Wanna take bets on how long this time? Funny thing, when I called CAIS afterwards to ask them how they were going to "make it up" to me for knocking me offline for five days, I was sent to the voicemail of some customer service manager who never returned my calls. Lets see how well NAS does. John

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China's cable firms fight deadly turf war
by Sean Donelan 30 May '02

30 May '02

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-311460,00.html China's cable firms fight deadly turf war >From Oliver August in Shanying May 30, 2002 "CLAD in a blue China Telecom jacket proclaiming We protect the nations cables, Hao Dawei sets off at sunrise from his parents mudbrick home in Shanying to ride his motorcycle along the route of his state-owned companys main cable to Beijing, 300 miles to the west. On the road to Huairen he finds 100 workers digging a trench right on top of the China Telecom line. He jumps off his bike. Stop immediately, he shouts. You'll cut our cable. The gang glare at him. Hao Dawei knows the type. They work for one of the many rival telecom companies who are laying their own cables. He calls for backup, but the five colleagues who arrive within minutes are no match for the workers. Soon 20 of them are beating the 26-year-old patrol rider as a crouches in the grass. His colleagues flee and he ends up in hospital having stitches in his head."

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Is this list working?
by John Palmer 30 May '02

30 May '02

Posted a message several times and it never made it out Is the list broken?

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Betr.: KPNQwest
by eric＠mails.ch 30 May '02

30 May '02

Anyone able to outline a worst case scenario, on what the effect would be, if the KPN network really goes down? cheers eric > > > Considering the number of messages about companies going bust, this > one seems vaguely operational for some... > http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/020529/200205292257000882_2.html > > There are a number of quotes from "people familiar with the matter," > but as I understand it the background is sound. If KPNQ does have to > switch off their network, it will affect a large number of businesses > in Europe, as they offer both circuits (via their extensive "Eurorings" > network) and IP connectivity (they acquired Ebone not too long ago). > > Rob

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Abuse Contact at NuVox
by Daniel Lark 30 May '02

30 May '02

I am consistently seeing a host from within nuvox.net trying to send spam through one of my mail servers. Anybody have a contact name, etc. for them? The abuse auto-reply is obviously less than helpful. -dan

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KPNQwest
by Rob Evans 30 May '02

30 May '02

Considering the number of messages about companies going bust, this one seems vaguely operational for some... http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/020529/200205292257000882_2.html There are a number of quotes from "people familiar with the matter," but as I understand it the background is sound. If KPNQ does have to switch off their network, it will affect a large number of businesses in Europe, as they offer both circuits (via their extensive "Eurorings" network) and IP connectivity (they acquired Ebone not too long ago). Rob

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Is there any one from Network Access Solutions (NAS-CORP) on this list?
by John Palmer (NANOG Acct) 30 May '02

30 May '02

Typical - NAS took over our account from ARDENT and did the cutover today. They botched it up. Our routes are not being announced. If you are out there please contact me at jpp(a)well.com

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