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e.root-servers.net we have a problem..
by Matt Hess 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

If there is someone on here that is responsible for e.root-servers.net and if that person could ping me off list I'd appreciate it, thanks.

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The coming storm: .net
by Hank Nussbacher 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2004/111504dotnet.html -Hank

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RE: EFF whitepaper
by Peering 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

>From personal experience, whether you check that you want further mailings from MoveOn.org or not, they send them to you anytime you send anything (petitions, letters, etc) from their website. They're also not that great about taking you off when you complain (I have had to complain 2-3 times per incident). For this reason, no matter how I feel about the subject, I won't go through them anymore. Hopefully one of their contacts is listening, because their mail policy is really obnoxious. Diane Turley Network Engineer Xspedius Communications Co. 636-625-7178 -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Vixie Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:45 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: EFF whitepaper sean(a)donelan.com (Sean Donelan) writes: > http://www.eff.org/wp/?f=SpamCollateralDamage.html excerpt: I. The Problem MoveOn.org is a politically progressive organization that engages in online activism. For the most part, its work consists of sending out action alerts to its members via email lists. Often, these alerts will ask subscribers to send letters to their representatives about time-sensitive issues, or provide details about upcoming political events. Although people on the MoveOn.org email lists have specifically requested to receive these alerts, many large ISPs regularly block them because they assume bulk email is spam. [...] i reject all mail from moveon.org here. not because i assume bulk e-mail is spam, but because i still personally receive all mail sent to any address at cix.net, and quite a few people who wish to subscribe from cox.net end up typing cix.net by mistake. ("i" and "o" are adjacent in QWERTYland.) i'm therefore in a position to prove that moveon.org does not verify the ownership or permission status of new e-mail addresses before sending political information. i tried complaining, but moveon.org's postmaster function appeared to be understaffed or overworked or both. further down in this otherwise excellent paper, we see: II. The Solution (Or At Least A Start): Principles and Best Practices [...] 2. All mailing-list email should be delivered to willing subscribers. As a corollary, no one should be subscribed to an email list without his or her knowledge and consent, as evidenced by positive action. ...to which i must add my strongest possible agreement. if moveon.org would just follow this principle or best practice, i would accept their e-mail here. even though i found this EFF paper to be well written and well researched in other ways, i wonder if the authors knew that moveon.org does not verify permission or ownership of new subscribers, and if they considered this as one of the possible reasons why a lot of e-mail admins reject, as i do, all mail that comes from moveon.org. if not, then the fundamental premise of this paper is flawed. if so, then they should have mentioned this factor. either way, i'm not as impressed as i could've been. -- Paul Vixie

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71/8 and 72/8 reminder/plea
by Jerimiah Cole 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Friendly reminder that ARIN has been allocating from 71/8 and 72/8 since August. If you have static bogon filters, PLEASE make sure they are updated. Jerimiah Tularosa Communications

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Deutch
by Richard J. Sears 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Can someone from Deutsch Telecom please contact me off list. Thanks ****************************************** Richard J. Sears Vice President American Internet Services ---------------------------------------------------- rsears(a)adnc.com http://www.adnc.com ---------------------------------------------------- 858.576.4272 - Phone 858.427.2401 - Fax INOC-DBA - 6130 ---------------------------------------------------- I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like you do when nobody's watching."

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RE: EFF whitepaper
by Miller, Mark 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Well-written or not, this piece has a vague odor of blaming the victim for the crime. To cite the specific example quoted below, if cash-hungry spam havens like China, Korea and others took action locally to reduce the "spam-friendly" nature of many of their online providers, the filtering fickle middle finger of fate would not be pointed at them as a geographical entity. I mean, if 40% of my spam comes from or through China, then of course I will be more wary of accepting mail from there. Profiling isn't a problem of free speech, it is a simple matter of statistics. It's a bad craftsman that blames his tools. These utilities are specifically designed to operate in the online environment we find ourselves in. Perhaps it is the environment that needs changing, not the way we protect ourselves from it. - Mark ------------------------------------ Spam Assassin, a popular program that does ad hoc pattern matching, assigns "points" to various features of an email to determine whether it is spam. The higher the number of points, the more likely it will be sent to the spam folder or discarded. Points can be assigned for everything from country of origin to certain words or subject headers. One of the major problems with this system is that messages from certain countries - like China, for example - can be blocked purely on the basis of where they come from and what language they're in The implications for free speech here are very troubling indeed: a human rights group communicating with people in China may find that their bulk email is blocked, and thus anti-spam technology unintentionally works as a political censorship mechanism. Of course, this is only a problem when end users are not given control over how points are assigned, and what will be done with messages that get "high" or "low" marks. Spam Assassin and programs like it can be configured to give users more control.

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ARIN 2002-3 statistics
by Leslie Nobile 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

A recent question has come up on this list regarding the number of organizations that have qualified for IPv4 addresses under policy 2002-3 "Address Policy for Multi-homed Networks. Since its implementation in May 2004, ARIN has been tracking the number of allocations and assignments (/21s and /22s) made under this policy very closely. Here are the statistics as of Oct. 31, 2004: # of Organizations qualified: 80 # of Allocations to ISPs 61 # of Assignments to End Users: 27 Regards, Leslie Nobile Director, Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) leslie(a)arin.net

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RE: I want my own IPs
by James Laszko 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

The general rule of thumb for ARIN IP space is that if you need IP independence, you can't have it. <g> You've basically got to have around 16 /24's utilized before ARIN will do anything for you. Once you're at this point, they'll give you a /20 to renumber everyone, but will reserve a contiguous /19 for you if you can justify that you'll use it within the next 3-6 months. It's a real fun Catch-22. :) James Laszko Pipeline Communications, Inc. james(a)pcipros.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Philip Lavine Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:22 AM To: nanog Subject: I want my own IPs I have recently been turned down by ARIN for an address block. I currently have 4 /24's from ISP's and would like IP independence. How do I convince ARIN to give me a block -- /20 I guess? The form I filled out does not make it easy. Philip __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com

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Summary of 3Com switches
by Dan Lockwood 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

These responses capture the essence of the messages that I received on the topic. Thanks for all your input. "If your looking for big dumb cheap devices to just move data around a big switched network, 3com is your vendor. If you plan on doing anything fancier than SNMP, best look elsewhere. " "I worked with 7700 and 7700Rs, along with the new 3xxx series, and all I can say summarizes to simple: don't do it. There is Cisco, Enterasys, Allied Telesyn, but 3COM is just tumbling down. Line cards for 7700 are seriously limited in functionality, current Supervisor can't do wire (8Gbit/s FD) duplex on all cards simultaneusly, and the 7700R marketed "few seconds failover" goes up to 5-6 minutes which is actually longer than booting the switch from cold dead state. The BGP sucks, and OSPF sucks even more (it can kill whole switch in certain situations I can't speak of at the moment). Same thing is with the routers - 3000 and 5000 suck, the 6000 suck even more (1 ATM OC3 interface with 30Mbit/s worth of traffic generates 85% of CPU load on 6080 and router begins to drop traffic..." --------------------^ This guy went and bought C gear. "Well, they aren't service provider switches - they are enterprise focused, and have a very iffy SP feature set. They are also Huwei boxes, rebadged. This means they may (or may not) possess stolen intellectual property. "

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RE: I want my own IPs
by James Laszko 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

I'm just glad we were able to get our allocation from them. If I hadn't been in this business for a decade and didn't have the wonderful personality that I have, it might have been impossible. <g> Those people over at the ARIN Helpdesk are an interesting crowd.... James -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 AM To: James Laszko Cc: Bill Woodcock; Philip Lavine; nanog Subject: RE: I want my own IPs > Good to know. I always though it was a /21 or /20. I'm pretty sure > ARIN rules change with the weather, though. no. it's the downdraft from the black helicopters randy

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