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Net traffic explodes for NASA'S comet collision
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

I hope many of you saw this near- real-time. It was awsome. Roy Mark writes for internetnews.com: [snip] Deep Impact's spectacular collision with the comet Tempel 1 resulted in an explosion of record traffic to the NASA Web site to see how it looked. The hyper-speed demise of the ship's probe, as it smashed into a comet half the size of Manhattan, generated approximately 80 million page views. "It's off the scale," Brian Dunbar, NASA's Internet Services Manager, told internetnews.com, noting the previous traffic record was 30 million page views for the Mars landing in 2004. "Hands down, it was a record day." [snip] http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3517721 Pretty cool stuff. :-) - ferg ps. We should also be aware of how far AOL has come, too, since the 1996 Victoria's Secret fashion show. From every report, they pulled off streaming 7 simulateous video feeds of the Live 8 concerts this past weekend without any substantial problems whatsoever. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050705/ap_en_bu/internet_vide… Time they are a'changin'. -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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U.S. Won't Cede Control of Net Computers
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

I've reached my post limit for the day after this one. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050630/ap_on_hi_te/internet_c… [snip] The U.S. government said Thursday it would indefinitely retain oversight of the Internet's main traffic-controlling computers, ignoring calls by some countries to turn the function over to an international body. The announcement marked a departure from previously stated U.S. policy. Michael D. Gallagher, assistant secretary for communications and information at the U.S. Commerce Department, shied away from terming the declaration a reversal, calling it instead "the foundation of U.S. policy going forward." The signals and words and intentions and policies need to be clear so all of us benefiting in the world from the Internet and in the U.S. economy can have confidence there will be continued stewardship," Gallagher said in an interview with The Associated Press. [snip] - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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RE: Enable BIND cache server to resolve chinese domain name?
by Hannigan, Martin 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of > Steve Gibbard > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:20 AM > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Re: Enable BIND cache server to resolve chinese domain name? > > > > On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Mark Andrews wrote: > [ SNIP ] > That doesn't mean a competing system wouldn't work, for those who are > using it. They'd just be limited in who they could talk to, and that > generally wouldn't be very appealing. Are you just making noise here, Steve? That doesn't really say anything outside of status quo. > That said, a big country implementing a new DNS root on a > national scale > may not have that problem. The telecom world is already full > of systems > that don't cross national borders. In the US case, think of > all the cell > phones that have international dialing turned off by default, That's a poor example. That's between the subscriber and their carrier, not a technical limitation. > and all the > 800 numbers whose owners probably aren't at all bothered by their > inability to receive calls from other countries. That's also a poor example since there are work arounds for this technical issue. > > A system that would limit my ability to talk to people in > other countries > doesn't sound very appealing to me. I know. I know. Don't feed the trolls. -M<

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Re: The whole alternate-root ${STATE}horse (was Re: Enable BIND cache server to resolve chinese domain name?)
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

What? You mean that marketing spin doesn't convince you of how much a "killer app" something is? ;-) - ferg -- "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra(a)baylink.com> wrote: Yup. Killer apps are great. Hard to predict; *really* hard to invent. -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: Enable BIND cache server to resolve chinese domain name?
by Peter Dambier 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

william(at)elan.net wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Paul Vixie wrote: > >> for those excellent readers who didn't follow this, here's an excerpt >> from >> <http://european.de.orsn.net/faq.php#opmode>: > > [skip] > >> what this means is, it can't conflict with ICANN data other than that >> if ICANN deletes something it might not show up in ORSN. >> mathematically speaking that's a superset, but politically speaking >> it's not at all like an alternative root. > > > While I doubt ICANN would delete a TLD zone (and if that happened it would > presumably be for "dead" tld which no requests are expected to come to), > I'm concerned that their system might work in regards to to host glue > records which there are quite a number of in root zone. If some nameserver > is no longer used by TLD and and now it wants to change its ip address, > it would presumably request deletion of its glue record from root zone > and then be able to change ip with no effect on anyone on the net. But > if ORSN does not pick it up this would mean they will continue to use > old ip address and that would cause inconsistency (which I suspect will > not be easy to track either). check_soa from the O'Reilly book 'DNS and Bind' will do or dig XXX +nsserach > > What I don't understand why for their project they don't just go ahead > and copy ICANN root zone as-is. > Copyright reasons. But nevertheless those 261 zones are watched to be synchronous to the ICANN root. And there is another check that sees when suddenly a new zone appears like it did for '.eu' some month ago. Both Public-Root and ORSN had it the very same day. I have seen when ORNS and ICANN were out of sync ORSN hat the information from the zone file for 'at', '.de' and '.gr' while ICANN had stale information for a very long time. Same went for '.ke' and the Public-Root for a month or two. Regards, Peter and Karin Dambier -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) +1-360-226-6583-9563 (INAIC) mail: peter(a)peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason

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Fundamental changes to Internet architecture
by Michael.Dillon＠btradianz.com 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

I guess I'm not the only one who thinks that we could benefit from some fundamental changes to Internet architecture. http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,68004,00.html?tw=wn_6techhead Dave Clark is proposing that the NSF should fund a new demonstration network that implements a fundamentally new architecture at many levels. ------------------------------------------------------- Michael Dillon Capacity Management, 66 Prescot St., London, E1 8HG, UK Mobile: +44 7900 823 672 Internet: michael.dillon(a)btradianz.com Phone: +44 20 7650 9493 Fax: +44 20 7650 9030 http://www.btradianz.com One Community One Connection One Focus

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Re: Enable BIND cache server to resolve chinese domain name?
by Brad Knowles 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

At 2:33 PM +0100 2005-07-04, Michael.Dillon(a)btradianz.com wrote: >> That works, up until the point where India decides to use a >> different alternative root solution than China does. > > The only people affected by this are the people who run > the alternative root used by China because, presumably, > it means that they lose some business to a competitor > who has won the Indian market. Not at all. Any third party who might want to see both the Indian sites and the Chinese sites would also lose, because they couldn't use both sets of alternative root servers at the same time. Any ISP that might serve some customers who want to see one set of sites, and another set of customers who want to see the other set, would also lose. In other words, just about everyone else in the world would also lose. >> That works, up >> until the point where the inexperienced alternative root operators >> screw something up and their entire "expanded" Internet goes down, >> while the real root servers continue normal operations. > > Yes, and Google works until they screw something up and > their wonderful search engine goes down while Excite and > Yahoo et al. continue normal operations. Yes, but people aren't forced by their ISP to use a given search site. They can use any search site they want. That same level of choice does not exist with one or more alternative roots. >> The balkanization of the 'net is something to be avoided at all >> possible costs. > > My company makes good money off balkanization of the 'net > and we are definitely *NOT* the only one. AOL has always > operated a network apart from the rest. AOL is a bad choice here. They've finally decided that the walled garden model doesn't work, and they're opening up all their content to the whole world, all you have to do is use their portal. If you're going to make arguments, you should at least choose examples that support your thesis. > Remember, the public root systems are not attacking > the ICANN root infrastructure at the network layer > in any way. They are not impeding the ability of the > ICANN roots to function and they are not stopping > people from following your "only one root" model. Actually, they are. They are causing confusion. People don't understand why they can't get to a given set of sites. Intentionally creating such a situation is just about the worst possible thing you could do. > Their entrepreneurial spirit is consistent with the > free and open way in which the Internet has developed. No, it's not. If it had been, they would have worked their business model through the IETF. > Remember the paraphrase from Voltaire: > "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend > to the death your right to say it" I have said that before on many occasions. However, in this case, I do not defend your right to say it. In my opinion, your doing so undermines the most fundamental basis of the Internet. -- Brad Knowles, <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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OT: Thanks Everyone 4 the EMail Observations and Tips/eom
by Frank Coluccio 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

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Re: Enable BIND cache server to resolve chinese domain name?
by Brad Knowles 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

At 11:26 AM +0100 2005-07-04, Michael.Dillon(a)btradianz.com wrote: > I think that the marketing people are going to win > this one. There is no marketable benefit to the ICANN > root zone but there are clear advantages for countries > using non-Latin alphabets to switch to a root zone that > allows for their own language to be used in domain names. That works, up until the point where India decides to use a different alternative root solution than China does. That works, up until the point where the inexperienced alternative root operators screw something up and their entire "expanded" Internet goes down, while the real root servers continue normal operations. The balkanization of the 'net is something to be avoided at all possible costs. > Turkey was recently mentioned and that is also a country > that uses a non-Latin alphabet. It doesn't matter how many non-Latin alphabets you introduce. What matters is that there can be only one root. -- Brad Knowles, <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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Re: Enable BIND cache server to resolve chinese domain name?
by Suresh Ramasubramanian 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

On 04/07/05, Brad Knowles <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote: > That works, up until the point where India decides to use a > different alternative root solution than China does. That works, up Oh - most indians couldnt care a sh*t about it I expect, except those who have business or other contacts with china. On the other hand, .tw and .cn are quite likely to find sharing the same namespace very tough .. and there are all the oh so wonderful encoding and other differences that you can get that make IDN using nonstandard and non interoperable schemes so very interesting. --srs -- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists(a)gmail.com)

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