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RE: Hot weather and power outages continue
by Daniel Senie 25 Jul '06

25 Jul '06

At 09:59 PM 7/24/2006, Frank Bulk wrote: >Depending on the state you live in, the PUC generally requires 4 to >8 hours of dialtone if it's generated from the C.O. Dialtone >generated from SLC may not be explicitly covered under the rules. So when they moved about 1/2 of the town from CO to SLC, they got out of the obligation to provide dial tone in power outage? That seems, ummm, interesting. Will be interesting to see what the police chief learns (I'm on a town board that works closely with the police, so he and I get to talk often and get along well). He was quite concerned to learn about the telephone outages that happen. Thanks for the info. I will follow up with the PUC folks as well and see what they have to say. The Verizon service folks did tell me they expected dialtone to work during power failures, and kept claiming it must be my telephones that are at fault (plugging a very basic, known-functional POTS phone into the network interface says they're wrong). > >Regards, > >Frank > > >---------- >From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf >Of Daniel Senie >Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:47 PM >To: Brandon Galbraith >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: Hot weather and power outages continue > >At 06:26 PM 7/24/2006, Brandon Galbraith wrote: >>While hardwired (fiber/coax/copper) aggregation points usually >>don't have backup power on them, most cellular towers have either >>batteries or generators for backup power, correct? > >We see good cable modem connectivity during power outages. Batteries >must still be good in the HFC nodes in our area. Verizon POTS >service, on the other hand, dies when the power does. The batteries >in their SLC units are toast. I've got the local police chief off >conversing with the Verizon E911 folks to find out why it's OK to >have no 911 service to a large part of town when there's no power >(Verizon repair kept trying to tell me it must be my equipment, >despite testing at the network interface). > >I am looking at moving telephone services off to Comcast or VOIP >because they're more reliable than Verizon is, in my particular neighborhood. > > >>-brandon >> >>On 7/24/06, William S. Duncanson >><<mailto:caesar@starkreality.com>caesar(a)starkreality.com > wrote: >>Indeed, my RoadRunner connection is the same way. All of my stuff stays up, >>but "teh Interweb is broken." I'm guessing that they (DSL/CableCo's) find it >>too cost-prohibitive to roll out UPSes to the customer aggregation points. >>Suprisingly, my cable TV goes out as well when the power goes, so it might >>just be more than the CMTS that's going out. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: <mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu>owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [ >>mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of >>Michael Loftis >>Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 16:20 >>To: <mailto:nanog@merit.edu>nanog(a)merit.edu >>Subject: Re: Hot weather and power outages continue >> >> >> >>--On July 24, 2006 2:22:26 AM -0400 Sean Donelan >><<mailto:sean@donelan.com>sean(a)donelan.com> wrote: >> > While its expected for individual customers to go down during power >> > outages, usually because the customer does not have local backup >> > power, it is less common for major web sites and co-location centers >> > to experience downtime during power outages. >>Except if you're in Qwest territory. Apparently they don't put any battery >>backup at their mini-DSLAMs and such. Every time we lose power, I'm still >>up, but the DSL signal goes away. Haven't checked dialtone, but I keep >>meaning too during the next outage. >>Now I know it's not exactly fair singling out Qwest, because I'll bet >>Verizon and others share the same thing, and I'm pretty sure it's just their >>ADSL service and not the voice service (I haven't checked though) it's >>still becoming more and more common that as an individual user your >>connection to the internet, unless you're paying for something other than >>ADSL or Cable, will be just as affected by local power outages. >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Brandon Galbraith >>Email: <mailto:brandon.galbraith@gmail.com>brandon.galbraith(a)gmail.com >>AIM: brandong00 >>Voice: 630.400.6992 >>"A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. >>Yarrrr. --thelost"

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Re: Hot weather and power outages continue
by Daniel Senie 25 Jul '06

25 Jul '06

At 06:26 PM 7/24/2006, Brandon Galbraith wrote: >While hardwired (fiber/coax/copper) aggregation points usually don't >have backup power on them, most cellular towers have either >batteries or generators for backup power, correct? We see good cable modem connectivity during power outages. Batteries must still be good in the HFC nodes in our area. Verizon POTS service, on the other hand, dies when the power does. The batteries in their SLC units are toast. I've got the local police chief off conversing with the Verizon E911 folks to find out why it's OK to have no 911 service to a large part of town when there's no power (Verizon repair kept trying to tell me it must be my equipment, despite testing at the network interface). I am looking at moving telephone services off to Comcast or VOIP because they're more reliable than Verizon is, in my particular neighborhood. >-brandon > >On 7/24/06, William S. Duncanson ><<mailto:caesar@starkreality.com>caesar(a)starkreality.com> wrote: > >Indeed, my RoadRunner connection is the same way. All of my stuff stays up, >but "teh Interweb is broken." I'm guessing that they (DSL/CableCo's) find it >too cost-prohibitive to roll out UPSes to the customer aggregation points. >Suprisingly, my cable TV goes out as well when the power goes, so it might >just be more than the CMTS that's going out. > >-----Original Message----- >From: <mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu>owner-nanog(a)merit.edu >[mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of >Michael Loftis >Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 16:20 >To: <mailto:nanog@merit.edu>nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: Hot weather and power outages continue > > > > >--On July 24, 2006 2:22:26 AM -0400 Sean Donelan ><<mailto:sean@donelan.com>sean(a)donelan.com> wrote: > > > While its expected for individual customers to go down during power > > outages, usually because the customer does not have local backup > > power, it is less common for major web sites and co-location centers > > to experience downtime during power outages. > >Except if you're in Qwest territory. Apparently they don't put any battery >backup at their mini-DSLAMs and such. Every time we lose power, I'm still >up, but the DSL signal goes away. Haven't checked dialtone, but I keep >meaning too during the next outage. > >Now I know it's not exactly fair singling out Qwest, because I'll bet >Verizon and others share the same thing, and I'm pretty sure it's just their >ADSL service and not the voice service (I haven't checked though) it's >still becoming more and more common that as an individual user your >connection to the internet, unless you're paying for something other than >ADSL or Cable, will be just as affected by local power outages. > > > > >-- >Brandon Galbraith >Email: <mailto:brandon.galbraith@gmail.com>brandon.galbraith(a)gmail.com >AIM: brandong00 >Voice: 630.400.6992 >"A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. >Yarrrr. --thelost"

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Re: managing mycompany.{all iso TLD + icann TLD) ?
by Doug Barton 24 Jul '06

24 Jul '06

Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > Someone's possesion of a domain name contining a string you have a > trademark on *in one specific line of business* *does not constitute an > infringement of your trademark*. > > Unless they *use it* *in conjunction with a product or service name* > *in the appropriate line of business* *in a jurisdiction where you hold > trademark rights*, they're not infringing you, and registering the > string in 435 TLD's just to make sure they can't is the worst kind of > stupid. If I can borrow from Randy, I encourage my competitors (and more importantly the competitors of my clients) to operate in the manner you describe. Doug -- If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough

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Re: Hot weather and power outages continue
by Frank Coluccio 24 Jul '06

24 Jul '06

There are a few tens of thousand families at this time around the country who wouldn't see any humor in this. Local to me, the problems that began eight days ago in Queens NY persist to this day, and the best ETAs now being given by the City and Con Ed is at least two more days. But that's what was projected last Friday, or three days ago. Some lawmakers in the affected districts are calling for the resignation of Con Ed's CEO, while some blackout victims are calling for his imprisonment. http://tinyurl.com/oge8n The article doesn't go far enough to inform the reader that many of the "restored" residential and small business units that are holding their own (as opposed to sputtering out within two hours, like many that were placed back onto the grid) are being fed by a slew of portable truck-mounted generators that are tied directly into the local low-voltage feeder networks going to customer locations. A report on CNN (IIRC) earlier today focused on a range of "hot-spots" around the country, from Beverly Hills to St. Louis to New England, noting that for the most part the electric power problems that are being encountered (as roads and rails buckle from the heat) do NOT point to supply as much as they do to the inability of distribution networks in the last mile to withstand the increased loads being caused by mounting demand from air conditioning (and while no other application was mentioned at that point, you've got to know what other drains on power went through my mind). As a society we've already taken ample note of the aging (in many instances, crumbling) infrastructure, ranging from sewer systems, roads and rails, water tunnels, bridges and so on that are still working decades beyond their time. Has anyone given serious focus to the underspaces and overheads that house the nation's last mile electrical distribution systems, in toto? If so, what does it say about Queens' ability to handle summer loads? Frank On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > Come on Sean, this "very few disruptions" stuff is below your usual > standards. The least you can do to help us pass the time in this damn heat > is to recount a few good stories about routers you could scramble eggs on. > :) there is a funny story of some dial devices on fire, and still passing packets... ) Frank A. Coluccio DTI Consulting Inc. 212-587-8150 Office 347-526-6788 Mobile

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managing mycompany.{all iso TLD + icann TLD) ?
by Jim Mercer 24 Jul '06

24 Jul '06

the company i'm working for has a growing list of domains for the company and its trademarks. i'm finding that i need to deal with a variety of registries and resellers and whatnot in order to keep up. are there resellers out there that have agreements with _most_ TLD registries? i realize that i won't likely find a single reseller for all the TLD's, but i'd like to switch from using 10 baskets to 2 or three. it would be nice if they provided a control panel that we can use to administer not only the domains we have through them, but also domains that are registered elsewhere, but we want parked in a central location. -- [ Jim Mercer jim(a)reptiles.org +971 50 436-3874 ] [ I want to live forever, or die trying. ]

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SBC Lost of connectivty to Canada?
by Elijah Savage 24 Jul '06

24 Jul '06

On our SBC peering links we lost connectivty to our Canadian customers for about 20 minutes. I have escalated this up through SBC but was wondering if anyone on the list as any knowledge of what may have caused the outage. Our Canadian customers come in through different Canadian providers so from my perspective it wasn't just one AS or prefix that was lost it was many. Thank You

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myspace
by Paul Vixie 24 Jul '06

24 Jul '06

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5209496.stm

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ICANN at risk
by Jeremy Kister 23 Jul '06

23 Jul '06

With three days left and no mention of it from the folks that matter, I'm referring NANOG readers to: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/frnotices/2006/NOI_DNS_Transition_0506.htm From the article: > SUMMARY: The United States Department of Commerce's National > Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) seeks comment > on the continuation of the transition of the technical coordination > and management of the Internet domain name and addressing system > (Internet DNS) to the private sector. [...] > Comments are due on or before July 7, 2006. -- Jeremy Kister http://jeremy.kister.net./

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opentransfer.com contact
by Jim Popovitch 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

Anyone from opentransfer.com around? I've tried postmaster@, but got no response. I have an email issue wrt mail22.opentransfer.com, can someone please contact me offlist. TIA, -Jim P.

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Canned Emails to Send to Infected End-Users
by Rick Kunkel 22 Jul '06

22 Jul '06

Hello all, Does anyone have a line on any canned emails to send to end-users? Do such things exist? I have a few in my arsenal, but I'm getting sick of writing them. I just realized today that I don't have one for a customer who's is possession of a zombie spambot computer and is spewing emails (blocked on my router from going out) like crazy... Thanks, Rick Kunkel

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