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Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...
by Roger Marquis 14 Aug '07

14 Aug '07

Carl Karsten wrote: > I am not saying tasting is a free speech thing, but I do see it > as something currently legal, and don't see a way to make it a > crime without adversely effecting the rest of the system. It is perfectly legal, and no viable remedies are known other than making it illegal. The other option is to let the tasters and fast flushers continue unabated until it impacts service to such an extent that public outcry forces the government to step in. Seems to be a classic anarchy v democracy issue, with Arin firmly seated, on their hands, in the anarchy camp. -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/

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Mzima networks
by straightflush＠gmail.com 14 Aug '07

14 Aug '07

Anyone have feedback on their experiences with Mzima Networks? Looking for an Internap alternative and they were recommended to me. Just looking to see if anyone out there has any good insight into the company or actual customer feedback. Technology looks very promising just not a big enough name for me to have all the information. Thanks

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Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
by ALEJANDRO ESQUIVEL RODRIGUEZ 14 Aug '07

14 Aug '07

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Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...
by Paul Ferguson 14 Aug '07

14 Aug '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Marshall Eubanks <tme(a)multicasttech.com> wrote: >On Aug 14, 2007, at 12:19 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > >> >> I was just struck by a couple of statistics: >> >> [snip] >> >> In January 2007, according to PIR five registrars deleted 1,773,910 >> domain >> names during the grace period and retained 10,862. That same month, >> VeriSign reported that among top ten registrars, 95% of all >> deleted .COM >> and .Net domain names were the result of domain tasting. > > >So, if they charged a $ 1 "return fee," they would either > >- produce revenues of several million USD per month (unlikely) or >- cut domain tasting by about 2 orders of magnitude. ... or both. I think I could live with that, all things being equal. - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.2 (Build 2014) wj8DBQFGwSaBq1pz9mNUZTMRAoxDAKCUZ8s/Q/tRF6NC0T7jC6SRFy1zVACgplR4 NZVluA1bG+T0JiZuZrsrVGQ= =Ey48 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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RE: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...
by Campbell, Alex 14 Aug '07

14 Aug '07

> Maybe marketing would learn to spell after a few costly mistakes. Any policy strategy that relies on marketing people learning to spell is flawed from the outset. Domain tasting is a real problem. 1 year domain registrations are very cheap. Who then does the waiting period benefit? (hint: not grandma) -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Ken Eddings Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 7:46 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy... At 4:32 PM -0400 8/13/07, Justin Scott wrote: > > Do people really not plan that far ahead, that they >> need brand new domain names to be active (not just >> reserved) within seconds? > >I can say from my experience working in a web development environment, >yes. I can recall several cases where we needed to get a domain online >quickly for one reason or another. Usually it revolves around the >marketing department not being in-touch with the rest of the company >and the wrong/misspelled domain name ends up in a print/radio/tv ad >that is about to go to thousands of people and cannot be changed. We >end up having to go get the name that is in the ad and get it active as >quickly as possible. Been there. But it's rare enough in real life that I'd happily waive the right for full refund return for immediate domain publishing. Maybe marketing would learn to spell after a few costly mistakes. Any other domain registrations getting a 3 day wait before publishing can have a more lenient return policy, maybe with a small processing fee. That's not unreasonable, and has something for the registrars. And grandma would be able to correct her typo, and the regstrars would have time to check grandma's credit card, since she's so typo-prone. >Personally I'm all for things working as quickly as possible, and I'm >all for being able to "return" a domain within a reasonable time if >needed. Perhaps it would be better to allow for domain returns, but >shorten the time limit to 24 hours. That should be long enough to >catch a typo, but too short to be much use for traffic tasting. > > >-Justin Scott | GravityFree > Network Administrator > >1960 Stickney Point Road, Suite 210 >Sarasota | FL | 34231 | 800.207.4431 >941.927.7674 x115 | f 941.923.5429 >www.GravityFree.com -- Ken Eddings, Hostmaster, IS&T, eddingsk(a)apple.com, eddingsk(a)mac.com Work:+1 408 974-4286, Cell: +1 408 425-3639, Fax: +1 408 974-3103 Apple Computer, Inc., 1 Infinite Loop, M/S 60-MS Cupertino, CA 95014 The Prudent Mariner never relies solely on any single aid to navigation.

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Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...
by Paul Ferguson 14 Aug '07

14 Aug '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Carl Karsten <carl(a)personnelware.com> wrote: >Oddly enough I am in possession of 20+ fee samples that were the left >overs from a hand out, and I was cleaning up the place. pretty sure I did not break any laws. I know that isn't what you meant, but it is what you said. One of the tricky parts about law is defining it. If you can't define it, it is really hard to make it illegal. > It's called "gaming the system". While not expressly illegal (IANAL), it damned well should be. - - ferg p.s. I realize that "closing the loop" on this behavior could be result in more badness, and in fact a certain "tragedy of the commons". This is where we find ourselves, apparently. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.2 (Build 2014) wj8DBQFGwUixq1pz9mNUZTMRArm8AKDPqGvx25L9ZcsypwA4rQ7uoS+hHwCeO0A7 XuP7TEUbDQWzxrPxJamK9cc= =8sf9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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RE: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...
by Campbell, Alex 14 Aug '07

14 Aug '07

> Maybe marketing would learn to spell after a few costly mistakes. Any policy strategy that relies on marketing people learning to spell is flawed from the outset. Domain tasting is a real problem. 1 year domain registrations are cheap. Who then does the waiting period benefit? (hint: not grandma) -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Ken Eddings Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 7:46 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy... At 4:32 PM -0400 8/13/07, Justin Scott wrote: > > Do people really not plan that far ahead, that they >> need brand new domain names to be active (not just >> reserved) within seconds? > >I can say from my experience working in a web development environment, >yes. I can recall several cases where we needed to get a domain online >quickly for one reason or another. Usually it revolves around the >marketing department not being in-touch with the rest of the company >and the wrong/misspelled domain name ends up in a print/radio/tv ad >that is about to go to thousands of people and cannot be changed. We >end up having to go get the name that is in the ad and get it active as >quickly as possible. Been there. But it's rare enough in real life that I'd happily waive the right for full refund return for immediate domain publishing. Maybe marketing would learn to spell after a few costly mistakes. Any other domain registrations getting a 3 day wait before publishing can have a more lenient return policy, maybe with a small processing fee. That's not unreasonable, and has something for the registrars. And grandma would be able to correct her typo, and the regstrars would have time to check grandma's credit card, since she's so typo-prone. >Personally I'm all for things working as quickly as possible, and I'm >all for being able to "return" a domain within a reasonable time if >needed. Perhaps it would be better to allow for domain returns, but >shorten the time limit to 24 hours. That should be long enough to >catch a typo, but too short to be much use for traffic tasting. > > >-Justin Scott | GravityFree > Network Administrator > >1960 Stickney Point Road, Suite 210 >Sarasota | FL | 34231 | 800.207.4431 >941.927.7674 x115 | f 941.923.5429 >www.GravityFree.com -- Ken Eddings, Hostmaster, IS&T, eddingsk(a)apple.com, eddingsk(a)mac.com Work:+1 408 974-4286, Cell: +1 408 425-3639, Fax: +1 408 974-3103 Apple Computer, Inc., 1 Infinite Loop, M/S 60-MS Cupertino, CA 95014 The Prudent Mariner never relies solely on any single aid to navigation.

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Re: US transit providers with slightly better than average International connectivity?
by Sargun Dhillon 13 Aug '07

13 Aug '07

Drew Weaver wrote: > How about to this IP? > > 62.150.200.10 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sargun Dhillon [mailto:sdhillon@decarta.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:58 PM > To: Drew Weaver > Cc: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' > Subject: Re: US transit providers with slightly better than average International connectivity? > > Drew Weaver wrote: > >> Howdy, I know with the trans-atlantic and trans-pacific connectivity >> being what it is these days that getting reliable (i.e. low latency < >> 200, low packet loss < 5% total round-trip) to countries such as AE >> and others is kind of a "shot in the dark". However, I wanted to ping >> the list and see if anyone has had 'better luck/worse luck' with >> particular transit providers. We're currently utilizing Time Warner >> Telecom, Level3, and Global Crossing as our transit partners and we're >> shopping for a fourth at this time, we would really like to find a >> transit provider with 'better' international presence. >> >> Any suggestions based on experience? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Drew >> >> > As a test point let's try: 212.58.224.131 > That's the BBC. Posting traceroutes would be the best. Here is mine from > internap: > core1.t6-1-bbnet1.sje.pnap.net 0.0% 2895 2.1 21.3 1.9 1671. 101.6 > xe-1-3.r02.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 1.7% 2895 2.1 25.7 2.0 1301. 92.6 > xe-1-2.r03.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 0.8% 2895 2.2 25.5 2.0 1764. 108.7 > sjo-bb1-link.telia.net 0.0% 2895 2.3 15.3 2.1 1680. 109.5 > nyk-bb1-link.telia.net 0.2% 2895 73.8 86.1 73.7 1596. 101.4 > ldn-bb1-pos7-1-0.telia.net 0.0% 2895 143.1 155.5 141.8 1551. 100.4 > ldn-bb1-link.telia.net > ldn-bb1-link.telia.net > 9. ldn-b1-pos3-0.telia.net 0.0% 2895 144.9 163.2 141.8 1470. 99.8 > ldn-b1-link.telia.net > 10. siemens-118436-ldn-b1.c.telia.net 0.0% 2895 144.8 165.2 141.9 1470. > 106.4 > 11. 212.58.238.153 0.1% 2895 143.3 157.7 141.9 1386. 97.5 > 12. rdirwww-vip.thdo.bbc.co.uk 0.1% 2895 146.3 156.0 141.8 1636. 99.4 > > > -- > > Sargun Dhillon > deCarta > sdhillon(a)decarta.com > www.decarta.com > > > ATT: Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 200/203/208 ms Global Crossing: 283 msec SAVVIS: 245.461 msec QWEST: min/avg/max = 312/313/317 UUNET: 379 msec Level3: min/avg/median/max/mdev/stddev = 244/252.8/252/280/2.332/9.432 ms I just used the looking glasses to check latency -- Sargun Dhillon deCarta sdhillon(a)decarta.com www.decarta.com

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Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...
by Paul Ferguson 13 Aug '07

13 Aug '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins(a)cisco.com> wrote: >There's a case to be made that a policy which results in organizations registering and owning domain names which are close to the intended domain anme but represent a common typographical transition is desirable from a security standpoint . . . > I don't think anyone could reasonably question the legitimacy for someone like, say, Google, registering "gogle.com" or "goggle.com". It should raise eyebrows, however, if "goggle.com" was registered to RBusiness Network. Or "allitalia.org", etc. You get the idea. - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.2 (Build 2014) wj8DBQFGwOB3q1pz9mNUZTMRAtaCAKCKJPbiGqAAYeaUHnWL5aFxzKjrhgCgkY4W ruSoXSTqVYbpLarBVmSXgbE= =kB6m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Anyone from Senderbase, or ironport around?
by Drew Weaver 13 Aug '07

13 Aug '07

Please tag me off-list, also if anyone knows of any way to reach anyone there please let me know. Thanks, -Drew

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