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RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
by Paul Ferguson 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- "Jamie Bowden" <jamie(a)photon.com> wrote: >It would seem that the state of NY agrees with you: > >http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/20981 The part of this discussion that really infuriates me (and Joe Greco has hit most of the salient points) is the deceptiveness in how ISPs "underwrite" the service their customers subscribe to. For instance, in our data centers, we have 1Gb uplinks to our ISPs, but guaranteed service subscription (a la CIR) to a certain rate which we engineer (based on average traffic volume, say, 400Mb), but burstable to full line rate -- if the bandwidth is available. Now, we _know_ this, because it's in the contract. :-) As a consumer, my subscription is based on language that doesn't say "you can only have the bandwidth you're paying for when we are congested, because we oversubscribed our network capacity." That's the issue here. I know full well the technical arguments of both sides of the issues, the economic issues, and the difference between a circuit switched network and a pcekt network, thank you. :-) $.02, - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wj8DBQFHIhwoq1pz9mNUZTMRAlheAJ9KlFY73/+1dxQ7Q898reknG/MxHwCcDURl i0ARgqsvoxpPQkXFVCe9ons= =NGAf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets
by Sean Donelan 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6332098.html The short answer: Badly. Based on the research, conducted by Terry Shaw, of CableLabs, and Jim Martin, a computer science professor at Clemson University, it only takes about 10 BitTorrent users bartering files on a node (of around 500) to double the delays experienced by everybody else. Especially if everybody else is using "normal priority" services, like e-mail or Web surfing, which is what tech people tend to call "best-effort" traffic. Adding more network bandwidth doesn't improve the network experience of other network users, it just increases the consumption by P2P users. That's why you are seeing many universities and enterprises spending money on traffic shaping equipment instead of more network bandwidth.

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Analysis Role Account 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 27 Oct, 2007 Report Website: http://thyme.apnic.net This report: http://thyme.apnic.net/ap-data/2007/10/27/0400 Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 235884 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 121839 Deaggregation factor: 1.94 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 113953 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 26582 Prefixes per ASN: 8.87 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 23140 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 11294 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 3442 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 80 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 3.6 Max AS path length visible: 20 Max AS path prepend of ASN (13227) 16 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 28 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 11 Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table: 7 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 10 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1797966720 Equivalent to 107 /8s, 42 /16s and 203 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 48.5 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 62.8 Percentage of available address space allocated: 77.3 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 109476 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 55061 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 20713 APNIC Deaggregation factor: 2.66 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 51983 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 21968 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 3078 APNIC Prefixes per ASN: 16.89 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 807 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 469 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 3.6 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 322664128 Equivalent to 19 /8s, 59 /16s and 118 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 79.9 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 116/6, 120/6, 124/7, 126/8, 202/7 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 110769 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 63679 ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.74 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 81900 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 32455 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 11912 ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 6.88 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 4589 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1106 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 3.4 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 348256128 Equivalent to 20 /8s, 193 /16s and 247 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 76.9 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863, 39936-40959 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/5, 72/6, 76/8, 96/6, 199/8, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 49773 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 31817 RIPE Deaggregation factor: 1.56 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 46251 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 30449 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 10425 RIPE Prefixes per ASN: 4.44 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 5544 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1639 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 4.0 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 20 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 333987200 Equivalent to 19 /8s, 232 /16s and 61 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 76.6 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 (pre-ERX allocations) 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-35839, 38912-39935 40960-45055 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 77/8, 78/7, 80/4, 193/8, 194/7, 212/7 and 217/8 LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 17518 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 4579 LACNIC Deaggregation factor: 3.83 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 15546 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 8668 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 875 LACNIC Prefixes per ASN: 17.77 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 285 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 152 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.0 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 19 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 44806912 Equivalent to 2 /8s, 171 /16s and 179 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 44.5 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671, plus ERX transfers LACNIC Address Blocks 186/7, 189/8, 190/8, 200/7 AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 2727 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 1037 AfriNIC Deaggregation factor: 2.63 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 2320 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 1395 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 211 AfriNIC Prefixes per ASN: 11.00 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 69 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 39 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 3.8 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 14 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 7632128 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 116 /16s and 117 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 22.7 AfriNIC AS Blocks 36864-37887 & ERX transfers AfriNIC Address Blocks 41/8, 196/8 APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4755 1472 383 67 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 9583 1126 108 15 Sify Limited 4134 1095 11539 299 CHINANET-BACKBONE 9498 1014 550 67 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 17488 855 55 67 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 4766 815 5473 327 Korea Telecom (KIX) 23577 780 34 681 Korea Telecom (ATM-MPLS) 7545 718 159 120 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 18101 607 119 52 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 1221 544 1951 424 Telstra Pty Ltd 9829 530 1312 9 BSNL National Internet Backbo 4812 523 858 76 China Telecom (Shanghai) 4668 518 68 10 LG-EDS Systems Inc. 17676 502 10903 63 Softbank BB Corp. 4808 498 793 119 CNCGROUP IP network: China169 4802 487 133 141 Wantree Development 9443 441 121 72 Primus Telecommunications 7474 374 201 261 SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 17974 369 142 16 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 4837 356 4993 167 chinanet IDC center beijing n ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 7018 1487 6149 1001 AT&T WorldNet Services 4323 1345 1006 356 Time Warner Telecom 2386 1240 628 751 AT&T Data Communications Serv 11492 1153 117 39 Cable One 6478 1115 328 197 AT&T Worldnet Services 18566 1028 288 9 Covad Communications 6197 1024 718 508 BellSouth Network Solutions, 174 992 6803 846 Cogent Communications 7011 967 289 558 Citizens Utilities 701 889 6560 696 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 20115 849 774 458 Charter Communications 1239 799 2721 558 Sprint 22773 798 2133 54 Cox Communications, Inc. 19262 790 2847 191 Verizon Global Networks 3356 764 10891 398 Level 3 Communications, LLC 209 730 3784 573 Qwest 5668 662 176 17 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 6517 590 163 34 Yipes Communications, Inc. 852 580 1108 357 Telus Advanced Communications 3561 573 2325 377 Savvis RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 702 473 1920 386 UUNET - Commercial IP service 24863 375 58 39 LINKdotNET AS number 9116 334 168 28 Goldenlines main autonomous s 3301 317 1441 294 TeliaNet Sweden 3320 316 6035 263 Deutsche Telekom AG 8551 310 298 41 Bezeq International 6746 275 129 252 Dynamic Network Technologies, 8708 271 421 243 Romania Data Systems S.A. 8866 269 62 25 Bulgarian Telecommunication C 680 266 2045 254 DFN-IP service G-WiN 3215 264 2504 99 France Telecom Transpac 8220 257 445 238 COLT Telecommunications 3352 232 1916 40 Ibernet, Internet Access Netw 3269 228 2935 75 TELECOM ITALIA 9121 212 1442 25 TTnet Autonomous System 3300 199 172 95 AUCS Communications Services 20858 195 34 3 EgyNet 1257 194 1194 176 SWIPnet Swedish IP Network 12479 194 578 6 Uni2 Autonomous System 3292 193 1380 177 TDC Tele Danmark LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 8151 1055 2196 215 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 11830 514 299 9 Instituto Costarricense de El 16814 427 27 10 NSS, S.A. 14522 380 32 7 SatNet S.A. 11172 374 114 60 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 7303 361 175 54 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 6471 348 75 37 ENTEL CHILE S.A. 22047 317 246 13 VTR PUNTO NET S.A. 14117 285 19 15 Telefonica del Sur S.A. 10620 263 73 29 TVCABLE BOGOTA 10481 261 104 9 Prima S.A. 11556 237 128 4 Cable-Wireless Panama 6147 230 178 24 Telefonica Del Peru 6503 213 187 84 AVANTEL, S.A. 23216 211 17 47 RAMtelecom Telecomunicaciones 7738 204 538 24 Telecomunicacoes da Bahia S.A 28573 200 314 27 NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A 8163 183 11 8 METROTEL REDES S.A. 21826 181 32 50 INTERCABLE 20299 180 25 30 NEWCOM AMERICAS AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3741 279 869 225 The Internet Solution 8452 221 188 7 TEDATA 6713 143 135 11 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 2018 140 299 115 Tertiary Education Network 33783 127 8 11 EEPAD TISP TELECOM & INTERNET 5536 124 8 10 Internet Egypt Network 33776 100 6 3 Starcomms Nigeria Limited 24835 88 48 6 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 15475 77 84 4 Nile Online 2905 75 174 72 The Internetworking Company o 23889 73 24 15 MAURITIUS TELECOM 15706 53 12 4 Sudatel Internet Exchange Aut 33774 48 33 25 AS Number for Telecom Algeria 5713 46 294 36 Telkom SA Ltd 16637 42 21 29 Johnnic e-Ventures 12455 36 6 3 Jambonet Autonomous system 8524 32 2 10 AUCEGYPT Autonomous System 10798 26 16 1 Standard Bank of South Africa 21280 26 4 4 Swift Global Kenya Ltd.Is an 29975 26 10 9 Vodacom Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 4755 1472 1405 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 11492 1153 1114 Cable One 9583 1126 1111 Sify Limited 18566 1028 1019 Covad Communications 4323 1345 989 Time Warner Telecom 9498 1014 947 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 6478 1115 918 AT&T Worldnet Services 8151 1055 840 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 4134 1095 796 CHINANET-BACKBONE 17488 855 788 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 22773 798 744 Cox Communications, Inc. 5668 662 645 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 19262 790 599 Verizon Global Networks 7545 718 598 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 6517 590 556 Yipes Communications, Inc. 18101 607 555 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 19916 569 522 OLM LLC 9829 530 521 BSNL National Internet Backbo 6197 1024 516 BellSouth Network Solutions, 4668 518 508 LG-EDS Systems Inc. List of Unregistered Origin ASNs (Global) ----------------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 64250 RESERVED 59.144.44.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64999 PRIVATE 78.24.120.0/23 3257 Tiscali Intl Network 64999 PRIVATE 78.24.122.0/23 3257 Tiscali Intl Network 64999 PRIVATE 78.24.124.0/24 3257 Tiscali Intl Network 64999 PRIVATE 78.24.125.0/24 3257 Tiscali Intl Network 64999 PRIVATE 78.24.126.0/24 3257 Tiscali Intl Network 64999 PRIVATE 78.24.127.0/24 3257 Tiscali Intl Network 64250 RESERVED 122.167.64.0/19 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.96.0/20 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.112.0/21 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.176.0/21 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.188.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.192.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.196.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.200.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.204.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.208.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.212.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.216.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.220.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.240.0/23 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.242.0/23 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.244.0/23 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.246.0/23 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.171.0.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.171.1.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 65535 PRIVATE 200.62.98.0/24 7137 TELEMATIX/ ENITEL 65000 PRIVATE 216.136.11.0/24 27182 Peregrine Capital Ma Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 132.0.0.0/10 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 137.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 158.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 172.33.1.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.0.10.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 192.44.0.0/24 5501 Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.44.0.0/19 702 UUNET - Commercial IP service 192.70.164.0/24 25689 National Research Council of 192.153.136.0/21 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.172.0.0/19 721 DLA Systems Automation Center Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:19 /9:9 /10:16 /11:38 /12:135 /13:268 /14:478 /15:946 /16:9692 /17:4154 /18:6681 /19:14421 /20:16666 /21:15458 /22:19795 /23:20747 /24:123914 /25:775 /26:1017 /27:541 /28:101 /29:5 /30:0 /31:0 /32:8 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 11492 1145 1153 Cable One 6478 1114 1115 AT&T Worldnet Services 18566 1010 1028 Covad Communications 9583 961 1126 Sify Limited 2386 931 1240 AT&T Data Communications Serv 7011 854 967 Citizens Utilities 4755 844 1472 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 7018 812 1487 AT&T WorldNet Services 6197 772 1024 BellSouth Network Solutions, 23577 771 780 Korea Telecom (ATM-MPLS) 9498 701 1014 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 17488 674 855 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 4766 606 815 Korea Telecom (KIX) 4323 569 1345 Time Warner Telecom 19916 564 569 OLM LLC 6517 545 590 Yipes Communications, Inc. 5668 521 662 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 4668 508 518 LG-EDS Systems Inc. 18101 508 607 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 15270 446 480 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:8 8:86 12:1796 15:19 16:3 17:5 18:13 20:36 24:982 25:1 32:57 33:3 38:357 40:64 41:346 44:2 45:2 47:8 52:3 55:3 56:3 57:23 58:473 59:416 60:380 61:983 62:931 63:1979 64:3282 65:2369 66:3562 67:849 68:674 69:2001 70:465 71:108 72:1411 73:6 74:730 75:263 76:153 77:411 78:248 79:1 80:858 81:798 82:583 83:355 84:631 85:831 86:349 87:583 88:284 89:1043 90:39 91:683 92:4 96:1 97:7 98:9 116:415 117:204 118:39 121:323 122:635 123:206 124:702 125:1040 128:276 129:195 130:136 131:366 132:56 133:8 134:193 135:34 136:182 137:82 138:156 139:75 140:505 141:151 142:371 143:254 144:317 145:46 146:327 147:130 148:486 149:187 150:113 151:137 152:83 153:121 154:11 155:261 156:162 157:223 158:160 159:195 160:143 161:99 162:189 163:183 164:498 165:397 166:290 167:308 168:496 169:126 170:404 171:22 172:2 189:118 190:1212 192:5705 193:3997 194:3212 195:2463 196:941 198:3791 199:3225 200:5258 201:1237 202:7404 203:7810 204:3978 205:2002 206:2416 207:2785 208:2907 209:3597 210:2482 211:1077 212:1345 213:1525 214:419 215:45 216:4080 217:1197 218:316 219:390 220:1010 221:410 222:267 End of report

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Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
by Paul Ferguson 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> wrote: >On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote: >> As a consumer/customer, I say "Don't sell it it if you can't >> deliver it." And not just "sometimes" or "only during foo time". >> >> All the time. Regardless of my applications. I'm paying for it. > >I think you have confused a circuit switch network with a packet >switched network. No, I'm talking about deceptive marketing practices, consumer expectations, and customer retention. But I digress. - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wj8DBQFHIhboq1pz9mNUZTMRAsrnAKDrIbVLODdt2bdi2pmk8/Occ3IxjgCgy7pD pTw+fiSpjYm+DoJ/xVdb9Jc= =MOR+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
by Paul Ferguson 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> wrote: >When 5% of the users don't play nicely with the rest of the 95% of >the users; how can network operators manage the network so every user >receives a fair share of the network capacity? I don't know if that's a fair argument. If I'm sitting at the end of 8Mb/768k cable modem link, and paying for it, I should damned well be able to use it anytime I want. 24x7. As a consumer/customer, I say "Don't sell it it if you can't deliver it." And not just "sometimes" or "only during foo time". All the time. Regardless of my applications. I'm paying for it. - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wj8DBQFHIXiYq1pz9mNUZTMRAnpdAJ98sZm5SfK+7ToVei4Ttt8OocNPRQCgheRL lq9rqTBscFmo8I4Y8r1ZG0Q= =HoIx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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"ARPANet Co-Founder Predicts An Internet Crisis" (slashdot)
by Paul Vixie 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

"Dr. Larry Roberts, co-founder of the ARPANET and inventor of packet switching, predicts the Internet is headed for a major crisis in an article published on the Internet Evolution web site today. Internet traffic is now growing much more quickly than the rate at which router cost is decreasing, Roberts says. At current growth levels, the cost of deploying Internet capacity to handle new services like social networking, gaming, video, VOIP, and digital entertainment will double every three years, he predicts, creating an economic crisis. Of course, Roberts has an agenda. He's now CEO of Anagran Inc., which makes a technology called flow-based routing that, Roberts claims, will solve all of the world's routing problems in one go." http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/25/1643248

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Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
by Gregory Hicks 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

> From: "Geo." <geoincidents(a)nls.net> > To: <nanog(a)merit.edu> > Subject: Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:18:01 -0400 > > > > > The problem is that ISPs work under the assumption that users only > > use a certain percentage of their available bandwidth, while (some) users > > work under the assumption that they get to use all their available > > bandwidth 24/7 if they choose to do so. > > My home dsl is 6mb/384k, so what exactly is the true cost of a dedicated > 384K of bandwidth? I mean what you say would be true if we were talking Dunno, but I've got a 3m/384k line for about DSL business class for $105/month. Don't think I can do better pricewise, but... > download but for most dsl up speed is so insignificant compared to downspeed > I have trouble believing that the true cost for 24x7 isn't being paid. It's > just that some of the cable services are offering more up speed (1mb plus) > and so are getting a disproportionate amount of fileshare upload traffic (if > a download takes X minutes more is upload by a source on a 1mb upload pipe > compared to a 384k upload pipe so the upload totals are greater for the > cable isp). > > Geo. > > George Roettger > Netlink Services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 9B1 San Jose, CA 95134 I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

BGP Update Report Interval: 24-Sep-07 -to- 25-Oct-07 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS9583 467986 5.1% 400.0 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 2 - AS16637 159019 1.7% 3614.1 -- MTNNS-AS 3 - AS9498 124404 1.4% 118.1 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 4 - AS4621 76855 0.8% 519.3 -- UNSPECIFIED UNINET-TH 5 - AS8151 76667 0.8% 46.4 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 6 - AS43403 63301 0.7% 31650.5 -- SVIAZ-PLUS-AS LLC "Sviaz Plus" 7 - AS15611 61361 0.7% 632.6 -- Iranian Research Organisation 8 - AS4750 52462 0.6% 237.4 -- CSLOXINFO-ISP-AS-AP CSLOXINFO Public Company Limited. 9 - AS10275 46671 0.5% 23335.5 -- AS-UNITEDNETWORK - ABS-CBN International 10 - AS14390 45483 0.5% 827.0 -- CORENET - Coretel America, Inc. 11 - AS8866 44740 0.5% 159.8 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 12 - AS9835 44360 0.5% 349.3 -- GITS-TH-AS-AP Government Information Technology Services 13 - AS17974 43882 0.5% 114.6 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 14 - AS702 42559 0.5% 66.4 -- AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 15 - AS12975 42004 0.5% 531.7 -- PALTEL-AS PALTEL Autonomous System 16 - AS24731 41743 0.5% 869.6 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 17 - AS4134 41407 0.5% 36.9 -- CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 18 - AS7018 40908 0.5% 26.3 -- ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 19 - AS4538 39484 0.4% 19.0 -- ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center 20 - AS6478 39427 0.4% 33.9 -- ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS26829 33544 0.4% 33544.0 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC 2 - AS43403 63301 0.7% 31650.5 -- SVIAZ-PLUS-AS LLC "Sviaz Plus" 3 - AS10275 46671 0.5% 23335.5 -- AS-UNITEDNETWORK - ABS-CBN International 4 - AS17540 21670 0.2% 21670.0 -- MTL-AP Modern Terminals Limited 5 - AS34382 12266 0.1% 12266.0 -- ASSYRUS-SRL-AS Assyrus Srl Maintainer 6 - AS43830 13523 0.1% 6761.5 -- ADECCO-ASN Adecco IT Services 7 - AS36011 11375 0.1% 5687.5 -- AHSYS-ASN - Atlantic Health System 8 - AS30707 14606 0.2% 4868.7 -- 9 - AS16637 159019 1.7% 3614.1 -- MTNNS-AS 10 - AS38240 3366 0.0% 3366.0 -- CALYONFINANCIAL-AS-JP Calyon Financial, Inc. 11 - AS20007 3293 0.0% 3293.0 -- AS-ALOGI - ALOGIENT INC. 12 - AS28813 3043 0.0% 3043.0 -- VECERNJI-AS Vecernji list d.d. 13 - AS31671 2843 0.0% 2843.0 -- AKTINFOSYS AKT Informationssysteme AG 14 - AS28733 8208 0.1% 2736.0 -- AVIGAL-AS IT master LLC 15 - AS6174 5099 0.1% 2549.5 -- SPRINTLINK8 - Sprint 16 - AS38242 2359 0.0% 2359.0 -- FORTIS-AU-AS Fortis Clearing Sydney 17 - AS31596 14052 0.1% 2342.0 -- WPPS-AS WPP Service GmbH & Co. KG Frankfurt AS 18 - AS33356 4518 0.1% 2259.0 -- EAGLE-TECH - Eagle-Tech Systems 19 - AS31949 1879 0.0% 1879.0 -- APEXDIGITAL - Apex Digital 20 - AS17216 7471 0.1% 1867.8 -- VERITECT-EAST - Veritect TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 192.96.14.0/24 79070 0.8% AS16637 -- MTNNS-AS 2 - 192.96.13.0/24 79037 0.8% AS16637 -- MTNNS-AS 3 - 221.135.22.0/24 56272 0.6% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 4 - 221.135.113.0/24 54909 0.6% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 5 - 210.18.10.0/24 54005 0.6% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 6 - 203.101.87.0/24 49240 0.5% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 7 - 209.163.125.0/24 43953 0.5% AS14390 -- CORENET - Coretel America, Inc. 8 - 83.228.103.0/24 36854 0.4% AS8866 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 9 - 12.108.254.0/24 33544 0.3% AS26829 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC 10 - 202.56.250.0/24 33287 0.3% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 11 - 193.46.60.0/24 31768 0.3% AS43403 -- SVIAZ-PLUS-AS LLC "Sviaz Plus" 12 - 91.194.244.0/24 31533 0.3% AS43403 -- SVIAZ-PLUS-AS LLC "Sviaz Plus" 13 - 210.214.173.0/24 28528 0.3% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 14 - 210.214.177.0/24 25334 0.3% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 15 - 221.135.77.0/24 24937 0.2% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 16 - 210.214.211.0/24 24930 0.2% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 17 - 210.214.172.0/24 24912 0.2% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 18 - 210.214.210.0/24 24892 0.2% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 19 - 210.214.221.0/24 24855 0.2% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 20 - 210.214.220.0/24 24826 0.2% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

This report has been generated at Fri Oct 26 21:14:13 2007 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 19-10-07 240292 153438 20-10-07 240374 154309 21-10-07 240830 154305 22-10-07 240521 155215 23-10-07 240800 157397 24-10-07 240838 157638 25-10-07 240710 157689 26-10-07 241073 158134 AS Summary 26674 Number of ASes in routing system 11258 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1959 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS4538 : ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center 89037056 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 26Oct07 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 241338 158117 83221 34.5% All ASes AS4538 1959 717 1242 63.4% ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center AS9498 1012 73 939 92.8% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS4755 1471 542 929 63.2% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System AS11492 1153 416 737 63.9% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE AS22773 799 71 728 91.1% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS6478 1114 400 714 64.1% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS4134 1098 414 684 62.3% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS18566 1028 357 671 65.3% COVAD - Covad Communications Co. AS4323 1342 693 649 48.4% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom, Inc. AS8151 1058 417 641 60.6% Uninet S.A. de C.V. AS17488 855 266 589 68.9% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet AS19262 792 218 574 72.5% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon Internet Services Inc. AS18101 608 81 527 86.7% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, AS15270 599 88 511 85.3% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec Communications, Inc. AS7545 723 228 495 68.5% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS7018 1510 1020 490 32.5% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS2386 1241 765 476 38.4% INS-AS - AT&T Data Communications Services AS6197 1025 583 442 43.1% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS4812 523 92 431 82.4% CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom (Group) AS4766 816 387 429 52.6% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS4808 497 123 374 75.3% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network AS9443 451 78 373 82.7% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS17676 502 136 366 72.9% GIGAINFRA BB TECHNOLOGY Corp. AS19916 569 204 365 64.1% ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC AS9583 1127 772 355 31.5% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited AS3602 432 78 354 81.9% AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom Inc. AS4668 518 169 349 67.4% LGNET-AS-KR LG CNS AS5668 659 319 340 51.6% AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS577 599 267 332 55.4% BACOM - Bell Canada AS4802 487 155 332 68.2% ASN-IINET iiNet Limited Total 26567 10129 16438 61.9% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.48.0.0/13 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.54.224.0/19 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 60.253.0.0/18 AS27572 THEBOE-27572 - The Boeing Company 60.253.64.0/19 AS27572 THEBOE-27572 - The Boeing Company 62.61.220.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV - Wireless Broadband via Satellite 62.61.221.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV - Wireless Broadband via Satellite 63.140.213.0/24 AS22555 UTC - Universal Talkware Corporation 63.140.238.0/24 AS20471 MONCUR - Moncur Design 63.141.42.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.141.159.0/24 AS17216 VERITECT-EAST - Veritect 63.143.71.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.143.115.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.248.0.0/16 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 63.248.0.0/17 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 64.7.112.0/21 AS13511 64.7.120.0/21 AS13537 64.17.32.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.33.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.37.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.46.96.0/20 AS13680 AS13680 Hostway Corporation Tampa, FL 64.46.112.0/20 AS30217 DESYNC Desync Corporation 64.188.0.0/16 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 65.36.8.0/24 AS5696 65.36.9.0/24 AS5696 65.36.33.0/24 AS5696 65.36.52.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 65.36.121.0/24 AS29957 65.60.45.0/24 AS32311 JKS-ASN - JKS Media, LLC 66.6.34.0/24 AS14935 MONTICELLO - Monticello Networks, Inc. 66.11.32.0/20 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.11.40.0/21 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.54.91.0/24 AS30506 BLACKSUN-1 - Blacksun Technologies LLC 66.55.160.0/19 AS29994 66.64.96.0/20 AS3790 RADIGRAFICA COSTARRICENSE 66.97.32.0/20 AS11305 INTERLAND-NET1 - Interland Incorporated 66.180.239.0/24 AS35888 VIGNETTE - VIGNETTE CORPORATION 66.206.32.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.33.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.34.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.35.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.40.0/22 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.206.44.0/23 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.206.47.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 66.207.32.0/20 AS23011 66.241.96.0/21 AS10271 TCIX - Troy City Internet Exchange, Inc 67.20.0.0/14 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.64.0.0/13 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.64.208.0/20 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.65.192.0/18 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.66.64.0/18 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.67.16.0/21 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.68.192.0/19 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.168.0.0/14 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.169.21.0/24 AS11351 RR-NYSREGION-ASN-01 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.171.32.0/19 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.232.0.0/14 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.234.32.0/19 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.55.108.0/24 AS4977 NET1 - Pecos Technologies 69.71.192.0/20 AS13818 PHX-INTL-TELEPORT - Phoenix International Teleport 69.160.0.0/12 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.162.64.0/19 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.168.0.0/14 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.169.0.0/17 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.172.0.0/14 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.32.0.0/13 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.32.64.0/18 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.33.64.0/18 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.35.0.0/18 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.38.0.0/16 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.40.0.0/16 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 72.9.128.0/20 AS27572 THEBOE-27572 - The Boeing Company 91.198.224.0/24 AS8928 INTEROUTE Interoute Communications Ltd 93.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 93.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 95.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 95.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 122.177.0.0/24 AS9498 BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 128.209.0.0/16 AS4017 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 151.135.0.0/16 AS4763 TELSTRANZ-AS TelstraClear Ltd 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 159.3.211.0/24 AS2687 ASATTCA AT&T Global Network Services - AP 159.220.0.0/22 AS16050 REUTERS-DOCKLANDS-RES-AS Reuters Docklands resiliancy 159.220.4.0/22 AS16050 REUTERS-DOCKLANDS-RES-AS Reuters Docklands resiliancy 159.220.4.0/24 AS16050 REUTERS-DOCKLANDS-RES-AS Reuters Docklands resiliancy 159.220.8.0/22 AS35528 REUTERS-UK2-AS Reuters-UK2 159.220.40.0/24 AS1787 REUTERS-AMERICA-ISP-CELL-AS - Reuters America Inc. 159.220.41.0/24 AS1787 REUTERS-AMERICA-ISP-CELL-AS - Reuters America Inc. 159.220.42.0/24 AS1787 REUTERS-AMERICA-ISP-CELL-AS - Reuters America Inc. 159.220.43.0/24 AS1787 REUTERS-AMERICA-ISP-CELL-AS - Reuters America Inc. 159.220.64.0/23 AS24977 MONEYLINE-UK Moneyline Telerate 163.142.0.0/16 AS2500 WIDE-BB WIDE Project 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.40.105.0/24 AS12582 TSF-DATANET-NGD-AS TSF MPLS VPN Services 192.69.107.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.69.108.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.69.177.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCNET-AS - National Research Council of Canada 192.88.99.0/24 AS16186 ASN-SSC-NO SSC Networks 192.96.36.0/24 AS5713 SAIX-NET 192.96.37.0/24 AS10474 NETACTIVE 192.96.135.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.136.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.143.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.145.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.177.0/24 AS6083 POSIX-AFRICA 192.122.212.0/24 AS209 ASN-QWEST - Qwest 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.131.233.0/24 AS7891 BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK2 - Bellsouth.Net 192.133.6.0/24 AS10282 EQUANT-CEEUR EQUANT AS for Central and Eastern Europe region 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 192.168.253.0/24 AS4323 TWTC - Time Warner Telecom, Inc. 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 192.245.235.0/24 AS29748 CARPATHIA-HOSTING - Carpathia Hosting 194.31.227.0/24 AS21461 TRANSFAIRNET Transfair-net GmbH Krefeld 194.246.72.0/23 AS8893 ARTFILES-AS Artfiles New Media GmbH 196.6.108.0/24 AS5713 SAIX-NET 196.10.119.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.122.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.251.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.252.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.254.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.101.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.102.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.104.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.121.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.125.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.126.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.169.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.174.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.176.0/21 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.188.0/22 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.192.0/22 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.196.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM - Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.49.80.0/23 AS15116 PITT-STATE - Pittsburg State University 198.54.82.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.54.92.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.54.222.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.96.0/19 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GT-BELL - Bell Canada 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP - Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL - SaskTel 199.9.128.0/17 AS668 ASN-ASNET-NET-AS - Defense Research and Engineering Network 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS27064 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS3541 ITSDN-U4 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS27044 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.138.0/24 AS27064 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.142.0/24 AS27064 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS27064 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS27064 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS27064 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS27033 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.153.0/24 AS27034 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - 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National Center for Supercomputing Applications 207.98.192.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 207.98.209.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 207.98.223.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 207.189.62.0/23 AS7132 SBIS-AS - AT&T Internet Services 207.204.168.0/24 AS15150 BELLTECH-AS - BELLWETHER TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION 207.204.222.0/24 AS15218 COX-OKC - Cox Communications 207.204.248.0/24 AS6653 PRIVATEI - privateI, LLC 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc. 207.246.192.0/20 AS5656 ACCESSUS-DOM - accessU.S./BASENet 208.64.12.0/22 AS22773 CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 209.54.42.0/24 AS6653 PRIVATEI - privateI, LLC 209.54.93.0/24 AS15218 COX-OKC - Cox Communications 209.54.111.0/24 AS15218 COX-OKC - Cox Communications 209.54.123.0/24 AS6062 NETPLEX - NETPLEX 209.54.142.0/24 AS12284 IPNS-AS - Internet Professionals & Network Solutions 209.54.240.0/21 AS10887 BPSI-AS - BPSI Internet Services 209.105.224.0/19 AS20074 209.140.24.0/24 AS3043 AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 209.140.64.0/20 AS22307 209.140.90.0/24 AS14461 NTSL - NET SOLUTIONS 209.140.224.0/21 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.234.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.235.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.236.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.237.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.238.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.239.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.141.4.0/24 AS6653 PRIVATEI - privateI, LLC 209.141.16.0/21 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.141.48.0/22 AS14461 NTSL - NET SOLUTIONS 209.141.104.0/24 AS6653 PRIVATEI - privateI, LLC 209.207.24.0/24 AS21829 JADETECH-NET - Jade Technologies, Inc. 209.207.36.0/24 AS21829 JADETECH-NET - Jade Technologies, Inc. 209.212.240.0/20 AS14825 CONSONUS - Consonus, inc 210.5.128.0/20 AS4837 CHINA169-BACKBONE CNCGROUP China169 Backbone 216.7.139.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 216.37.114.0/23 AS3549 GBLX Global Crossing Ltd. 216.37.120.0/23 AS13377 216.59.0.0/17 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.115.73.0/24 AS26834 DURA - Dura Automotive 216.172.198.0/24 AS15218 COX-OKC - Cox Communications 216.172.199.0/24 AS15218 COX-OKC - Cox Communications 216.210.86.0/24 AS577 BACOM - Bell Canada 216.227.128.0/18 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 216.240.240.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.240.241.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.240.242.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.251.203.0/24 AS7132 SBIS-AS - AT&T Internet Services 216.251.205.0/24 AS209 ASN-QWEST - Qwest 216.251.207.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK - Sprint Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
by Brandon Butterworth 26 Oct '07

26 Oct '07

> On Fri, Oct 26, 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote: > > If I'm sitting at the end of 8Mb/768k cable modem link, and paying > > for it, I should damned well be able to use it anytime I want. > > > > 24x7. > > > > As a consumer/customer, I say "Don't sell it it if you can't > > deliver it." And not just "sometimes" or "only during foo time". > > > > All the time. Regardless of my applications. I'm paying for it. No you're not, it would be considerably more expensive if you were paying for what you think you're buying. You're being sold something less, the small print usually tells you. Broadband may not be so popular if it was provided at the 20kbit/s or so the ISP is budgeting for you using. > What I don't quite get is this, and this is probably skirting > "operational" and more into "capacity planning" : > > * You aren't guaranteed 24/7 landline calls on a residential line; > and everyone here should understand why. > > * You aren't guaranteed 24/7 cellular calls on a cell phone; and > again, everyone here should understand why. > > So please remind me again why the internet is particuarly different? Because we can. That's the packet vs circuit switched difference, we no longer need to contend on time. That's a major benefit but there's always someone who'll abuse it spoiling it for others. > The only reason I can think of is "your landline isn't marketed > as unlimited but your internet is" .. Marketing... brandon

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