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routeviews outage this afternoon
by David Meyer 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

routeviews took an outage this afternoon due to a power issue in the UO switch room. We are mostly back up and running. Sorry for any inconvenience. Dave

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monitoring tools
by Nesser, Phil 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It has been a while since I have had to seriously think about network/system/application monitoring and now I have got to look at it. Can anyone point me towards: 1. Serious documents on monitoring (i.e. not vendor whitepapers) 2. Open Source Tools that you use or would recommend (I know the obvious smokeping, mrtg, nagios). Thanks, - ---> Phil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD4DBQFHJ5sZa2RfHGe2XK4RAj3bAJ4oNXS4XUfUiUz5pc8zeL4cdnCUBwCY06dP qN872ahrJT+fCX/+g0hrZw== =b5pJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Returned mail: 4 Delivery failures on Wed, 31 Oct 2007
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

On this date, there were delivery failures where the associated deliver status notification messages were suppressed. --- The following addresses had suppressed delivery status notifications --- nanog(a)trapdoor.merit.edu ----- Transcript of session is unavailable ----- No information is available on specific messages.

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Re: mail operators list
by Al Iverson 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

On 10/30/07, Andy Davidson <andy(a)nosignal.org> wrote: > > On 30 Oct 2007, at 16:21, Daniel Senie wrote: > > > At 12:07 PM 10/30/2007, Al Iverson wrote: > >> On 10/30/07, chuck goolsbee <chucklist(a)forest.net> wrote: > >> > On a more relevant and operational sort of note, it sure would be > >> > nice if there were a NAMOG (North American Mail Operators Group) or > >> > the like to resolve these sorts of issues. Feel free to clue-by- > >> four > >> > me if I've missed it. > >> MAAWG come pretty close: http://www.maawg.org/home > > Smaller/regional ISPs need not apply. Minimum cost of entry is > > $3,000/year, no voting rights ($12.5K if you actually care about > > voting). So if you're not Verizon or Comcast or similarly sized, it > > appears you're not really welcome. > > Though it might make sense to discuss some other things NANOG could > > do in addition to worrying about routing table size and churn in > > the core, those are all discussions for the Futures list. > > I would support the creation of a mail-operators list (& agenda time > for a mailops bof, since a lot of networks are small enough to mean > that netops and sysops are often the same guys) if it's deemed to be > offtopic on nanog-l. I have a sinking fear it'll be overrun with loud people who aren't actually responsible for anything more than a single IP at most, like SPAM-L, but I suppose it's worth a shot. Al Iverson -- Al Iverson on Spam and Deliverability, see http://www.spamresource.com News, stats, info, and commentary on blacklists: http://www.dnsbl.com My personal website: http://www.aliverson.com -- Chicago, IL, USA Remove "lists" from my email address to reach me faster and directly.

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Damn:
by Jamie Bowden 31 Oct '07

31 Oct '07

Some of you probably already know, but this just hit my inbox: From: Jun Murai <jun(a)wide.ad.jp> Dear Friends, I am regretful to pass along the sad news that Itojun (Dr. Junichiro Hagino) passed away on October 29, 2007. He was 37 years old. The WIDE community would like to send our condolences to his family and friends. Itojun has been an important member of the WIDE community, making numerous worldwide contributions in the field of network computing, especially on IPv6 and the Internet protocol area. He has had an important influence on each of our experiences in the WIDE project, IETF, and on the Internet community. We will miss him terribly. .... There's more, but I won't repost the whole thing.

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RIPE is just more fun.
by Leo Bicknell 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell(a)ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request(a)tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org

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Re: Any help for Yahoo! Mail arrogance?
by Martin Hannigan 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

On 10/30/07, chuck goolsbee <chucklist(a)forest.net> wrote: > > >believe me, if your user is jackass enough to click report spam on > >email that comes through his .forward the complaints can go up real > >high) .. is enough to get your IP blocked. > > > While there really should be some sort of particularly painful and > embarrassing punishment for this sort of jackass** we just kill their > .forward and try to clue-by-four them when they call. Sigh. > > > On a more relevant and operational sort of note, it sure would be > nice if there were a NAMOG (North American Mail Operators Group) or > the like to resolve these sorts of issues. Feel free to clue-by-four > me if I've missed it. > Hi Chuck, Mail problems that are operational in nature are more than welcome here. The politics and kookery of spam policy and fighting should be directed elsewhere. Best Regards, Martin Hannigan NANOG MLC Member

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Re: Any help for Yahoo! Mail arrogance?
by Daniel Senie 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

At 12:07 PM 10/30/2007, Al Iverson wrote: >On 10/30/07, chuck goolsbee <chucklist(a)forest.net> wrote: > > > On a more relevant and operational sort of note, it sure would be > > nice if there were a NAMOG (North American Mail Operators Group) or > > the like to resolve these sorts of issues. Feel free to clue-by-four > > me if I've missed it. > >MAAWG come pretty close: http://www.maawg.org/home Smaller/regional ISPs need not apply. Minimum cost of entry is $3,000/year, no voting rights ($12.5K if you actually care about voting). So if you're not Verizon or Comcast or similarly sized, it appears you're not really welcome. Though it might make sense to discuss some other things NANOG could do in addition to worrying about routing table size and churn in the core, those are all discussions for the Futures list.

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Re: Any help for Yahoo! Mail arrogance?
by Al Iverson 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

On 10/30/07, chuck goolsbee <chucklist(a)forest.net> wrote: > On a more relevant and operational sort of note, it sure would be > nice if there were a NAMOG (North American Mail Operators Group) or > the like to resolve these sorts of issues. Feel free to clue-by-four > me if I've missed it. MAAWG come pretty close: http://www.maawg.org/home Regards, Al Iverson -- Al Iverson on Spam and Deliverability, see http://www.spamresource.com News, stats, info, and commentary on blacklists: http://www.dnsbl.com My personal website: http://www.aliverson.com -- Chicago, IL, USA Remove "lists" from my email address to reach me faster and directly.

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Any help for Yahoo! Mail arrogance?
by Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

Background: We MX for a domain, and turn it right around to Yahoo! Mail. I know others have run into this before. Because a fair amount of it is spam, Yahoo stops accepting the mail, yadda yadda yadda. Problem: I jumped through all the hoops, and they tell me I'm denied. When I ask what part I fail on, I get : "Unfortunately, we cannot provide you with specific information other than to suggest a review of the questionnaire we supplied and try to determine where your mailing practices may be improved upon." WTF is that all about?! How can I improve on getting an email, spam filtering the best I can, and turning it around to it intended recipient. Anyone have any clues? Thanks, Tuc

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