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softlayer: ipv6 netfow tools
by Ric Moseley 26 Jun '09

26 Jun '09

Just wondering what people were using to analyze IPv6 Netflow. I am exporting IPv6 (along with IPv4 sampled) to a server that is running flow-tools as well as to an Arbor SP system. The Cisco's I am exporting from only allow flow export of both IPv4 and IPv6 simultaneously to an IPv4 address. Arbor claims support early next year so I am looking for another solution in the meantime. Thanks. Ric Moseley VP of Engineering rmoseley(a)softlayer.com 214-442-0555 direct 972-989-7813 cell 214-442-0600 office 866-398-7638 toll-free 214-442-0601 fax 6400 International Parkway, Suite 2000 Plano, TX 75093 http://www.softlayer.com The contents of this email message and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. This transmission is sent in trust for the sole purpose of delivery to the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error; any use, reproduction or dissemination of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender by reply email and delete this message and all associated attachments.

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tor
by Randy Bush 26 Jun '09

26 Jun '09

sadly, naively turning up tor to help folk who wish to be anonymous in hard times gets one a lot of assertive email from self-important people who wear formal clothes. folk who learn this the hard way may find a pointer passed to me by smb helpful, <http://www.chrisbrunner.com/?p=119>. randy

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Tor abuse FAQs
by Steven M. Bellovin 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

A friend sent me these links: https://www.torproject.org/faq.html.en#ExitPolicies https://www.torproject.org/faq-abuse.html.en https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq.html.en https://www.torproject.org/torusers.html.en Btw -- several folks have raised the issue of Iran. Here's a blog posting that may be of interest: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/measuring-tor-and-iran (My apologies if these have already been posted -- for assorted reasons involving my email setup, I cannot easily see any NANOG posts until some time tonight EDT.)

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Re: common carier
by nancyp＠yorku.ca 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

Rod, Sorry for the mislead on this. I agree with you. There are a lot of layer 9 reasons why this is the case. regards NP Quoting rodbeck1(a)gmail.com: > Nancy, > > You're missing the point and you're quoting out of context. > > The point is that common carrier protections should apply to ISPs since they > are essentially doing the same thing as carriers - they are shipping bits. > > The whole enhanced service distinction is flimsy. There is nothing about IP > that makes an enhanced service in any meaninful sense different It is just a > transport protocol. > > So don't confuse 'is' and 'ought'. > > I am advocating that common carrier protections should be extended to ISPs. > ---- Envoyé avec BlackBerry® d'Orange ---- > > -----Original Message----- > From: <nancyp(a)yorku.ca> > > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:22:08 > To: Richard A Steenbergen<ras(a)e-gerbil.net> > Cc: NANOG list<nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: [SPAM-HEADER] - Re: tor - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: > fields in the email addresses > > > As I understand & pls correct if I am wrong: > > > There is a long established legal tradition that telecommunication > > transport is not liable for the content it transmits. It's called > > common carrier. > > Telephony = common carrier yes- considered 'basic service'under Telecom Act > 96.. > > but data is considered 'enhanced services' different section of the Act. Thus > common carrier does not apply. > > The dualism/argument began in the 2nd computer inquiry and scales right up to > [US dominated] Intl telephony settlements- ICAIS where VoIP is not settled > the > same way [$] but governed by peering/transit arrangements > > Nancy Paterson > (Reachability as a Net Neutrality Issue) > PhD student, YorkU, Toronto > > > > Quoting Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net>: > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:57:27PM +0100, Rod Beck wrote: > > > Hi Richard, > > > > > > It is a more complicated issue than that. > > > > > > There is a long established legal tradition that telecommunication > > > transport is not liable for the content it transmits. It's called > > > common carrier. If someone makes an obscene phone call, the phone > > > company cannot be held liable. Yes, if the client subsequently > > > complains and asks for that number to be blocked and the phone company > > > does nothing, that's different. > > > > > > But the general principle is that anyone who transmits bits is not > > > liable for content. > > > > > > Unfortunately in my personal view that principle never got established > > > in the Layer 3 world. > > > > This has nothing to do with telecommunications or any kind of carrier or > > business relationship. This is intentionally leaving your computer open > > so that anyone on the Internet can come along and appear to be coming > > from your IP, where they will promptly set off doing bad stuff that will > > get traced back to you rather than them. Think of it like intentionally > > leaving your car unlocked with the keys in the ignition and a note > > authorizing people to borrow it and take it for a spin, and then > > expecting not to get into any kind of trouble when they rack up speeding > > tickets and/or use it to run someone over. > > > > Besides, the kind of consequencies I'm talking about are "having your > > internet account shut off for abuse"... But if you do happen to be one > > of those unlucky people who gets sued for downloading illegal content I > > don't think "but your honor I was running tor" is the defense you're > > looking for. :) > > > > -- > > Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras > > GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC) > > > > > > > > > > >

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The Iranian proxy fight
by Marshall Eubanks 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

This seems to have routing relevance to me. <http://www.renesys.com/blog/2009/06/the-proxy-fight-for-iranian-de.shtml > <http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/06/irans-sophisticated-ability… > I love this quote : "don't wait until the tanks are in the streets to figure this out" Regards Marshall

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Use of Default in the DFZ: banned in philly, see it now on the net!
by Randy Bush 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

due to nanog pc silliness, my lightning talk on $subject was not given in philly. i had promised to report to nanog the results of our winter experiment which used as path poisoning. here is the lightning talk i would have given. http://archive.psg.com/090615.nanog-default.pdf this is really meant to be a talk, so the slides can be a bit hard. on slide 6 /20 is the as path length of a /20, i.e. a 'normal' distribution, as seen from bgp monitors at RV, RIS, and a jillion others /25 is the as path length distribution we saw pinging from the /25 BGP is the as path length distribution we saw from RV/RIS i.e. BGP views are significantly skewed. but most of us knew that. on slides 10 and 11, the categories stub, small isp, large isp are from a ucla study. imiho, you should take them with a grain of salt. on 12, the reason for the funniness around 30 test points is because, we really wanted >= 30 test points in an AS. so if we got close, we scanned harder to find them. please do check your as at <http://psg.com/default/> and then actually look at your router config. i found one of my routers still had a default from when i was bringing it up. randy

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Re: tor
by Fisher, Shawn 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

Did you guys know tor spelled backwards is rot? Interesting. Like the dude said in much ado about nothing, "there's a double meanining in that". -------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Bellovin To: Joe Blanchard CC: 'NANOG list' Sent: Wed Jun 24 19:49:24 2009 Subject: Re: tor On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:27:25 -0400 "Joe Blanchard" <jbfixurpc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, allow records and perhaps a phone tap, but not held liable for > the means to a crime as suggested in earlier > emails. > > Again, lets get back to suitable content. We could certainly go on an > on about the legal items > but of what relevance is it to NANOG. > Right. Randy's original posting was square-on: he said that if you offer a certain service, you may encounter a certain problem, and such-and-such a web site may help you avoid that problem while still offering (most of) the service. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

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Akamai Support
by Clue Store 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Could someone from Akamai support unicast me off list please?? I have tried the usual support emails and numbers which usually have great response, but am having an issue getting someone to help me with an services problem. Sorry for the noise TIA Max

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Intelligent life at CenturyTel AS5668?
by neal rauhauser 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Can someone from CenturyTel please contact me off list? -- mailto:Neal@layer3arts.com // GoogleTalk: nrauhauser(a)gmail.com IM: nealrauhauser

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[NANOG-announce] NANOG46 survey open until July 6
by Joe Provo 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Hi folks! Thanks very much for helping to make a successful NANOG in Philadelphia. If you haven't already (and we know a lot of those in attendance did not), then please visit the easy-to remember redirection URL http://tinyurl.com/nanog46 A lot of our direction for the structure and mechanics of meetings stem from the survey data. The Program and Steering Committee really need to have your feedback on the meeting to capitalize on what was successful and avoid what was not. The Mailing List Committee needs input on your use -or lack- of the attendee list. Merit needs to hear your comments on the hotel, facilities and meeting execution. If you attended remotely, we need your input too! Not just regarding the content you watched, commented on, or purposefully skipped, but what prevented you from attending and how we as an organization can address those issues. If you have colleagues which attended (in person or via the webcast) but may not be paying attention to this mailing list, please do give them the survey URL so we can get their comments too. Cheers! Joe Provo NANOG SC chair -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE _______________________________________________ NANOG-announce mailing list NANOG-announce(a)nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce

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