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LTE for CCTV projects?
by Rogelio 01 Jul '10

01 Jul '10

A friend of mine works for a physical security company, and he is looking for LTE vendors who might help him create wireless networks that they can run video over. Up to this point, they've used 5.x GHz (802.11a and now 802.11n) for most everything, with 4.9 GHz in certain cases where they could apply for the license. Recently, however, he has been aggressively reaching out to LTE vendors. I asked why LTE instead of WiMAX (which is more "baked" when it comes to large CCTV deployments around the world), and he gave the following reasons: --true mobile (not simply souped up local wireless) solution --access to the lower 700 MHz band (which can go farther, for obvious reasons) --access to a public safety block (licensed similar to 4.9 GHz). I've googled "d block LTE", but can't determine whether or not he is 100% eligible or not... --While WiMAX has "better" ROI (for most people, anyway), this isn't too much of an option because their overall ROI is good based on the premium services they offer Anyone else's thoughts on this? I'd be particularly intersted in knowing which LTE vendors might be worth talking to in this dept.

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Future of WiMax
by Seth Mattinen 01 Jul '10

01 Jul '10

A while back I remember reading a comment here that "WiMax is not a future proof technology" and that several manufacturers have dropped it or something to that effect. I think it was in the starting a WiMax ISP thread. This has stuck in my head, and I was curious if there was any truth to this. WiMax sounds promising, but I certainly don't hear a lot about it other than Sprint/Clear. Is it just that everyone that's doing wireless is sticking with relatively inexpensive 802.11 a/b/g/n products, or is WiMax really a dead end? ~Seth

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Re: ASR vs 7604 for BGP border router?
by khatfield＠socllc.net 01 Jul '10

01 Jul '10

What kind of budget do you have? I think it really depends on what you're going after. Both would work... Is there something specific you want to do? Honestly, your current bandwidth utilization and need could be handled by an OpenBSD system. I think I may be missing your exact question. Are you asking which would work best? Or simply asking about reliability? In my opinion, I prefer the Juniper MX series over the ASR. However, there are plenty of fanboys for ASR's. I really don't think you could go wrong either way. Unless a deciding factor is budget or something along those lines... ------Original Message------ From: David Hubbard To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: ASR vs 7604 for BGP border router? Sent: Jun 30, 2010 10:48 PM Curious if anyone can give me some real world thoughts on the Cisco ASR1004 w/RP2 & ESP5 versus a 7604 w/?? as a border router for web hosting environment. I'm looking to replace a pair of aging routers of a different make. Current config is four providers, two send full BGP on gigE to both of our routers for redundancy, two providers send full BGP on gigE to only one each, so basically each device receives three full feeds and then they talk to each other. Very simple network; border passes through firewalls to core using static routes, core has default route out to the border, all one physical location, nothing obscure or complicated. Cisco rep suggested looking at the ASR due to our interest in having the firewall functionality built in so we can get rid of the standalones, but that's not mandatory. A friend suggested the 7604 but I'm not sure what config as far as management, add-on cards, etc. The cumulative outbound traffic may burst up to 1 Gbit/sec during the business day, averages less. Only three things that really matter are reliable BGP, functional IPv6 (not using it yet but want to), won't fall down if a compromised server starts sending out line rate garbage packets it has to discard or similar things that don't happen in a test lab. Thanks, Dave

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ASR vs 7604 for BGP border router?
by David Hubbard 01 Jul '10

01 Jul '10

Curious if anyone can give me some real world thoughts on the Cisco ASR1004 w/RP2 & ESP5 versus a 7604 w/?? as a border router for web hosting environment. I'm looking to replace a pair of aging routers of a different make. Current config is four providers, two send full BGP on gigE to both of our routers for redundancy, two providers send full BGP on gigE to only one each, so basically each device receives three full feeds and then they talk to each other. Very simple network; border passes through firewalls to core using static routes, core has default route out to the border, all one physical location, nothing obscure or complicated. Cisco rep suggested looking at the ASR due to our interest in having the firewall functionality built in so we can get rid of the standalones, but that's not mandatory. A friend suggested the 7604 but I'm not sure what config as far as management, add-on cards, etc. The cumulative outbound traffic may burst up to 1 Gbit/sec during the business day, averages less. Only three things that really matter are reliable BGP, functional IPv6 (not using it yet but want to), won't fall down if a compromised server starts sending out line rate garbage packets it has to discard or similar things that don't happen in a test lab. Thanks, Dave

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Metro-E Testing Parameter
by Muhammad Reza 01 Jul '10

01 Jul '10

Hi Everyone, Currently we are planning to doing POC for some Metro Ethernet product. Any one has testing parameter for Metro-E product ? It's ok even the testing parameter is basic parameter. Thanks in advance. Reza

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Re: Future of WiMax
by Gregory Hicks 30 Jun '10

30 Jun '10

> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:35:16 -0700 > From: Seth Mattinen <sethm(a)rollernet.us> > > WiMax sounds promising, but I certainly don't hear a lot about it other > than Sprint/Clear. Is it just that everyone that's doing wireless is > sticking with relatively inexpensive 802.11 a/b/g/n products, or is > WiMax really a dead end? Sprint/Clear certainly thinks it has promise. They just put up a wireless tower just next door to my house in San Jose... (Well, Clear actually received permission from the city zoning dept...) Regards, Gregory Hicks > > ~Seth > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer | Direct: 408.569.7928 People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf -- George Orwell The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. -- Thomas Jefferson "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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Contract negotiations advice?
by Patrick Giagnocavo 30 Jun '10

30 Jun '10

I am dealing with a large telecom which purchased the small telecom I signed a contract with. Despite signing only 1 contract with them, the two racks, and the bandwidth which feeds 1 rack (I connect privately to the second rack at no charge) all have different termination dates. How signing one contract resulted in 3 different end of term dates, months apart, I can't quite figure out. Can anyone point me to a mailing list or discussion forum containing advice on dealing with such issues? And the wider issue of negotiating good rates with telecoms? Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo patrick(a)zill.net

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Re: Contract negotiations advice?
by Adam LaFountain 30 Jun '10

30 Jun '10

> > I am dealing with a large telecom which purchased the small telecom I > signed a contract with. > > Despite signing only 1 contract with them, the two racks, and the > bandwidth which feeds 1 rack (I connect privately to the second rack at > no charge) all have different termination dates. > > Check your billing. Did your first invoice have all of your services? How about the second one? If they didn't bill you on time, it's partially your fault. If they did bill you for everything, then you have empirical evidence showing when you started the term (by performance.. paying) and their dates are wrong. > How signing one contract resulted in 3 different end of term dates, > months apart, I can't quite figure out. > > Did your original vendor provide a turn-up or activation notice? This should indicate the date that would go in their system to indicate term expiration. > Can anyone point me to a mailing list or discussion forum containing > advice on dealing with such issues? And the wider issue of negotiating > good rates with telecoms? Typical economics, more volume leads to better deals; growth appeal; competitive reference, etc.

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RE: Contract negotiations advice?
by Jimi Thompson 29 Jun '10

29 Jun '10

First thing is to be an educated consumer. Know what going rates and sla s cost for a given service. Also check the rep of the vendor. I find that competitive bids work well. Unless your a gov or something you dont have to take the lowest bid - take the best one. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Giagnocavo <patrick(a)zill.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:32 AM To: NANOG <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: Contract negotiations advice? I am dealing with a large telecom which purchased the small telecom I signed a contract with. Despite signing only 1 contract with them, the two racks, and the bandwidth which feeds 1 rack (I connect privately to the second rack at no charge) all have different termination dates. How signing one contract resulted in 3 different end of term dates, months apart, I can't quite figure out. Can anyone point me to a mailing list or discussion forum containing advice on dealing with such issues? And the wider issue of negotiating good rates with telecoms? Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo patrick(a)zill.net

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Geolocation contact for Bing/Microsoft?
by Schiller, Heather A (HeatherSkanks) 29 Jun '10

29 Jun '10

Can someone from Bing/MS contact me about correcting Geolocation info for some IP's. Folks are erroneously getting redirected - and I can't find any info about how to get it fixed. Thanks, --Heather ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Heather Schiller Network Security - Verizon Business 1.800.900.0241 security(a)verizonbusiness.com

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