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mtu question. more should be better, right?
by Deric Kwok 07 Nov '11

07 Nov '11

Hi all When I setup the server mtu as 9100. why I have to configure the switch mtu 9300 to make it working? What this extra 200 bytes is for what purpose? ls it standard? What is disadvantage of setting our all internal networks (host / equipment) mtu more than 1500? Thank you for your advice.

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Router and interface naming convention survey
by Joseph Chabarek 07 Nov '11

07 Nov '11

I am doing a survey to see what naming conventions are used for routers and router interfaces as part of a measurement study that I am conducting as a student at the University of Wisconsin Madison. If you are interested in participating please fill out my form at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dE1OYmVGcjlxV1YtZjB1Qm… I am aware that this issue has been discussed extensively on nanog (and other lists). The purpose of this survey is to see in a structured manner which networks use which conventions, and get an idea for how automated the process of PTR record generation is across different providers. I am happy to provide high level results from the survey to anyone that is interested. Thanks for any feedback! -Joe http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~jpchaba

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Time Warner Telecom problems
by Peter Pauly 07 Nov '11

07 Nov '11

Gizmodo is reporting problems at Time Warner Telecom .... we're suffering from it too and calls to the NOC have not been answered so far... does anyone have any further information? http://gizmodo.com/5857010/massive-time-warner-outage-hits-the-us

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Historical records of IP allocations
by Louis P 06 Nov '11

06 Nov '11

Hello, Does anyone know if it's possible to get old records (AS numbers...) of an IP allocation ? I found on RIPE these data : ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/ But only the country and allocation date are included. The IP range I would like to have more information about is 109.190.0.0/17 (it was Russian before and now French). Thanks in advance, Regards, Louis P.

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Bulk purchase of some Cisco 857 routers
by Curtis Raams 06 Nov '11

06 Nov '11

Hello, I have a client who is seeking to purchase 150 second hand Cisco 857 routers. We are unable to supply this quantity since we no longer inventory the items. Does anyone on the list have a large quantity they want to get rid of? [Description: map] Curtis Raams General Manager of ICT Level 6, 140 Queen St. Melbourne Victoria 3000 T: 03 8665 8305 F: 03 9945 7502 M: 0404 394 904 E: craams(a)staff.ains.net.au<mailto:craams@staff.ains.net.au> W: www.ains.com.au<http://www.ains.com.au/> This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone on 1300 887 877 and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. BE GREEN! Read from the screen.

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Severe Packet loss
by Gary Steers 06 Nov '11

06 Nov '11

Hi Guys, Is anyone else having major issue's tonight/this morning? We our having issue's and our upstream provider is reporting route flaps, the say its affecting quite a few networks but just checking if anyone else is having issue's??? Gary

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TR-69 and linux
by James Jones 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

Does anyone know of a open TR-69 implementation for linux? Also to take it one step further, does anyone of one that works in tandem with a web gui like openwrt?

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MPLS TE
by harbor235 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

TE lab testing flushing out how TE works, configured a primary and backup tunnel between PEs, both directions. Primary is dynamic and backup is explicit, initially priorities were the same, I then choose to make one tunnel preferred over the other adjusting the priorities, I choose the tunnel that was backup to become primary to watch the traffic shift. (primary path was P1-P2-P3, backup path P1-P3). However, the traffic did not shift, a manual shut on a P3-P2 interface made the traffic shift, reintroduction kept the traffic on P1-P3, then a "mpls traffic reoptimize" moved the traffic back to P1-P2-P3. Obviously the preferred MPLS tunnel is still P1-P2-P3 even though I configured "tunnel mpls traffic-eng priority 1 1" on P1-P3 and "tunnel mpls traffic-eng priority 7 7" on P1-P2-P3. What am I missing here? My setup: CE-----PE-----P1----------P3-------PE----CE \ / \ / P2 Mike

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

BGP Update Report Interval: 27-Oct-11 -to- 03-Nov-11 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS9829 33708 2.2% 55.3 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone 2 - AS8402 32620 2.1% 27.4 -- CORBINA-AS OJSC "Vimpelcom" 3 - AS14420 25170 1.6% 53.4 -- CORPORACION NACIONAL DE TELECOMUNICACIONES - CNT EP 4 - AS32528 23722 1.6% 4744.4 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs 5 - AS38040 22818 1.5% 1629.9 -- GLOBAL-TRANSIT-TOT-IIG-TH TOT Public Company Limited 6 - AS5800 19466 1.3% 79.8 -- DNIC-ASBLK-05800-06055 - DoD Network Information Center 7 - AS9498 16593 1.1% 42.9 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 8 - AS4274 14284 0.9% 187.9 -- ERX-AU-NET Assumption University 9 - AS16916 12491 0.8% 12491.0 -- NETLOGIC-WEST - INFINIPLEX LLC DBA NETLOGIC 10 - AS7552 11981 0.8% 8.8 -- VIETEL-AS-AP Vietel Corporation 11 - AS3475 11876 0.8% 152.3 -- DNIC-AS-03475 - Navy Network Information Center (NNIC) 12 - AS30890 11312 0.7% 31.6 -- EVOLVA EUROLAN SOLUTIONS SRL 13 - AS26615 11293 0.7% 32.3 -- Tim Celular S.A. 14 - AS8866 11264 0.7% 352.0 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 15 - AS17974 11092 0.7% 7.0 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia 16 - AS16010 10735 0.7% 86.6 -- RUSTAVI2ONLINEAS Caucasus Online LLC 17 - AS45514 10244 0.7% 34.1 -- TELEMEDIA-SMB-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., TELEMEDIA Services, for SMB customers 18 - AS3352 10129 0.7% 4.9 -- TELEFONICA-DATA-ESPANA TELEFONICA DE ESPANA 19 - AS7029 9950 0.7% 7.3 -- WINDSTREAM - Windstream Communications Inc 20 - AS45595 9764 0.6% 41.2 -- PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan Telecom Company Limited TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS16916 12491 0.8% 12491.0 -- NETLOGIC-WEST - INFINIPLEX LLC DBA NETLOGIC 2 - AS57090 4891 0.3% 4891.0 -- SNSREAAL SNS REAAL N.V. 3 - AS32528 23722 1.6% 4744.4 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs 4 - AS17408 3137 0.2% 3137.0 -- ABOVE-AS-AP AboveNet Communications Taiwan 5 - AS38040 22818 1.5% 1629.9 -- GLOBAL-TRANSIT-TOT-IIG-TH TOT Public Company Limited 6 - AS9562 9496 0.6% 1356.6 -- MSU-TH-AP Mahasarakham University 7 - AS22042 1311 0.1% 1311.0 -- FLOWUSLLC - Flow Traders US LLC 8 - AS17425 4774 0.3% 1193.5 -- EPA-AS-TH Provincial Electricity Authority of Thailand. 9 - AS47528 1140 0.1% 1140.0 -- INTELECOM-AS Intelecom Group ASA 10 - AS21789 4335 0.3% 1083.8 -- 168-244 - Lowe's Companies, Inc. 11 - AS55696 1016 0.1% 1016.0 -- SCOM-AS-ID Starcom Solusindo PT. 12 - AS25429 6413 0.4% 916.1 -- CBI-AS CBINET, Bujumbura, Burundi. 13 - AS56939 713 0.1% 713.0 -- CREDOS Credo-S Ltd. 14 - AS45615 693 0.1% 693.0 -- NRW NRW Holdings Limited 15 - AS45771 601 0.0% 601.0 -- WESTLINK-PH TELERURAL COMMUNICATION MANAGEMENT INC. 16 - AS46983 599 0.0% 599.0 -- SAML-ASN - Southpaw Asset Management LP 17 - AS6072 7420 0.5% 530.0 -- UNISYS-6072 For routing issues, email hostmaster(a)unisys.com 18 - AS10445 1796 0.1% 449.0 -- HTG - Huntleigh Telcom 19 - AS29356 419 0.0% 419.0 -- NESTLE Nestle Switzerland 20 - AS43389 396 0.0% 396.0 -- EULOGOS EULOGOS SPA TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 202.92.235.0/24 14325 0.9% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 2 - 206.80.93.0/24 12491 0.8% AS16916 -- NETLOGIC-WEST - INFINIPLEX LLC DBA NETLOGIC 3 - 130.36.34.0/24 11856 0.7% AS32528 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs 4 - 130.36.35.0/24 11856 0.7% AS32528 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs 5 - 213.16.48.0/24 11076 0.7% AS8866 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 6 - 196.2.14.0/24 5688 0.3% AS25429 -- CBI-AS CBINET, Bujumbura, Burundi. 7 - 194.53.211.0/24 4891 0.3% AS57090 -- SNSREAAL SNS REAAL N.V. 8 - 180.180.248.0/24 4762 0.3% AS38040 -- GLOBAL-TRANSIT-TOT-IIG-TH TOT Public Company Limited 9 - 180.180.253.0/24 4762 0.3% AS38040 -- GLOBAL-TRANSIT-TOT-IIG-TH TOT Public Company Limited 10 - 180.180.250.0/24 4760 0.3% AS38040 -- GLOBAL-TRANSIT-TOT-IIG-TH TOT Public Company Limited 11 - 180.180.249.0/24 4561 0.3% AS38040 -- GLOBAL-TRANSIT-TOT-IIG-TH TOT Public Company Limited 12 - 84.204.132.0/24 4499 0.3% AS20632 -- PETERSTAR-AS PeterStar 13 - 180.180.255.0/24 3829 0.2% AS38040 -- GLOBAL-TRANSIT-TOT-IIG-TH TOT Public Company Limited 14 - 202.41.70.0/24 3515 0.2% AS2697 -- ERX-ERNET-AS Education and Research Network 15 - 202.171.192.0/20 3239 0.2% AS4788 -- TMNET-AS-AP TM Net, Internet Service Provider 16 - 202.153.174.0/24 3137 0.2% AS17408 -- ABOVE-AS-AP AboveNet Communications Taiwan 17 - 221.183.16.0/23 3072 0.2% AS65500 -- -Private Use AS- AS9808 -- CMNET-GD Guangdong Mobile Communication Co.Ltd. 18 - 202.93.40.0/24 2624 0.2% AS4761 -- INDOSAT-INP-AP INDOSAT Internet Network Provider 19 - 202.151.6.0/24 2378 0.1% AS17425 -- EPA-AS-TH Provincial Electricity Authority of Thailand. 20 - 202.151.7.0/24 2378 0.1% AS17425 -- EPA-AS-TH Provincial Electricity Authority of Thailand. Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)nanog.org eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 04 Nov '11

04 Nov '11

This report has been generated at Fri Nov 4 21:12:12 2011 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 28-10-11 381389 224100 29-10-11 381588 224071 30-10-11 381765 223954 31-10-11 381720 223778 01-11-11 382078 223922 02-11-11 382192 224106 03-11-11 382733 224459 04-11-11 382870 224689 AS Summary 39319 Number of ASes in routing system 16583 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 3547 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS6389 : BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. 108768256 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS4134 : CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 04Nov11 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 383194 224787 158407 41.3% All ASes AS6389 3547 226 3321 93.6% BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. AS18566 2094 406 1688 80.6% COVAD - Covad Communications Co. AS4766 2514 993 1521 60.5% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS22773 1462 110 1352 92.5% ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC - Cox Communications Inc. AS4755 1544 231 1313 85.0% TATACOMM-AS TATA Communications formerly VSNL is Leading ISP AS4323 1624 391 1233 75.9% TWTC - tw telecom holdings, inc. AS1785 1847 786 1061 57.4% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec Communications, Inc. AS28573 1481 425 1056 71.3% NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A. AS19262 1395 400 995 71.3% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon Online LLC AS10620 1699 710 989 58.2% Telmex Colombia S.A. AS7552 1394 424 970 69.6% VIETEL-AS-AP Vietel Corporation AS7303 1236 331 905 73.2% Telecom Argentina S.A. AS8402 1441 612 829 57.5% CORBINA-AS OJSC "Vimpelcom" AS18101 955 151 804 84.2% RELIANCE-COMMUNICATIONS-IN Reliance Communications Ltd.DAKC MUMBAI AS7029 2378 1591 787 33.1% WINDSTREAM - Windstream Communications Inc AS4808 1090 344 746 68.4% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network AS8151 1432 690 742 51.8% Uninet S.A. de C.V. AS30036 1402 676 726 51.8% MEDIACOM-ENTERPRISE-BUSINESS - Mediacom Communications Corp AS7545 1614 944 670 41.5% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS3356 1116 463 653 58.5% LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications AS24560 964 336 628 65.1% AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services AS4804 705 95 610 86.5% MPX-AS Microplex PTY LTD AS17676 678 70 608 89.7% GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp. AS20115 1596 992 604 37.8% CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC - Charter Communications AS17974 1629 1048 581 35.7% TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia AS3549 1022 453 569 55.7% GBLX Global Crossing Ltd. AS22561 932 372 560 60.1% DIGITAL-TELEPORT - Digital Teleport Inc. AS22047 580 33 547 94.3% VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A. AS17488 943 411 532 56.4% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet AS7011 1169 646 523 44.7% FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS - Frontier Communications of America, Inc. Total 43483 15360 28123 64.7% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 5.0.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE Network Coordination Center 5.1.0.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE Network Coordination Center 5.1.24.0/24 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE Network Coordination Center 10.86.64.32/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.86.64.36/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.86.65.32/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.86.65.36/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.255.255.0/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.255.255.4/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.255.255.8/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 41.222.79.0/24 AS37345 MEDALLION 41.223.92.0/22 AS36936 CELTEL-GABON Celtel Gabon Internet Service 62.61.220.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV 62.61.221.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV 64.21.192.0/20 AS11610 INETNEBR-1 - Internet Nebraska Corporation 64.21.212.0/22 AS11610 INETNEBR-1 - Internet Nebraska Corporation 64.21.216.0/21 AS11610 INETNEBR-1 - Internet Nebraska Corporation 66.171.32.0/20 AS705 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 66.180.239.0/24 AS35888 VIGNETTE - VIGNETTE CORPORATION 66.206.47.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited 66.207.32.0/20 AS23011 66.245.176.0/20 AS19318 NJIIX-AS-1 - NEW JERSEY INTERNATIONAL INTERNET EXCHANGE LLC 69.6.80.0/24 AS13442 71.19.134.0/23 AS3313 INET-AS BT Italia S.p.A. 80.88.10.0/24 AS33774 DJAWEB 110.34.44.0/22 AS12653 COMTONET KB Impuls Hellas 116.206.72.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 116.206.85.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 116.206.103.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 117.120.56.0/21 AS4755 TATACOMM-AS TATA Communications formerly VSNL is Leading ISP 121.46.0.0/16 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 142.54.0.0/19 AS23498 CDSI - Cogeco Data Services Inc. 172.45.1.0/24 AS29571 CITelecom-AS 172.45.2.0/24 AS29571 CITelecom-AS 172.45.3.0/24 AS29571 CITelecom-AS 172.102.0.0/22 AS4812 CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom (Group) 185.0.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE Network Coordination Center 185.1.0.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE Network Coordination Center 185.24.0.0/24 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE Network Coordination Center 190.104.32.0/21 AS27882 Telefónica Celular de Bolivia S.A. 200.6.93.0/24 AS6400 Compañía Dominicana de Teléfonos, C. por A. - CODETEL 200.6.94.0/24 AS6400 Compañía Dominicana de Teléfonos, C. por A. - CODETEL 200.6.95.0/24 AS6400 Compañía Dominicana de Teléfonos, C. por A. - CODETEL 200.23.84.0/24 AS8151 Uninet S.A. de C.V. 200.24.73.0/24 AS26061 Equant Colombia 200.24.78.0/26 AS3549 GBLX Global Crossing Ltd. 200.24.78.64/26 AS3549 GBLX Global Crossing Ltd. 200.33.40.0/24 AS11172 Alestra, S. de R.L. de C.V. 200.34.0.0/20 AS6342 Instituto Tecnológico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey 200.53.0.0/19 AS13878 Diveo do Brasil Telecomunicacoes Ltda 202.1.224.0/24 AS10097 FLOWCOM Flow Communications 2/541 Kent St Sydney NSW 2000 202.8.106.0/24 AS9530 SHINSEGAE-AS SHINSEGAE I&C Co., Ltd. 202.9.55.0/24 AS2764 AAPT AAPT Limited 202.58.113.0/24 AS19161 202.61.75.0/24 AS9927 PHILCOMNET-PH A Multihomed ISP Company 202.74.232.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited 202.74.233.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited 202.83.120.0/21 AS37972 202.83.124.0/24 AS37972 202.83.125.0/24 AS37972 202.83.126.0/24 AS37972 202.94.1.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 202.133.70.0/24 AS38616 WORLDCALL-AS-KHI Worldcall Telecom Limited 202.160.152.0/22 AS10113 DATAFAST-AP DATAFAST TELECOMMUNICATIONS LTD 202.174.125.0/24 AS9498 BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 202.176.1.0/24 AS9942 COMINDICO-AP SOUL Converged Communications Australia 202.179.131.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited 202.179.134.0/24 AS23966 LDN-AS-PK LINKdotNET Telecom Limited 202.179.144.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited 203.23.1.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.24.38.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.30.127.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.32.86.0/23 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.32.86.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.32.87.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.32.188.0/24 AS1221 ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd 203.142.219.0/24 AS45149 203.175.107.0/24 AS45595 PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan Telecom Company Limited 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 205.175.214.0/24 AS5583 ORANGE-BUSINESS-SERVICES-BENELUX France Telecom S.A. 205.207.148.0/23 AS812 ROGERS-CABLE - Rogers Cable Communications Inc. 206.123.129.0/24 AS10790 INREACH-AS - InReach Internet 206.180.240.0/20 AS12083 KNOLOGY-NET - Knology Holdings 206.197.184.0/24 AS23304 DATOTEL-STL-AS - Datotel LLC, a NetLabs LLC Company 207.174.131.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc. 207.174.132.0/23 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc. 207.174.152.0/23 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc. 207.174.154.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc. 207.174.155.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc. 207.174.200.0/24 AS22658 EARTHNET - Earthnet, Inc. 207.174.248.0/21 AS6653 PRIVATEI - privateI, LLC 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc. 208.64.240.0/21 AS13871 TELEBYTE-NW - Telebyte NW 208.83.53.0/24 AS40569 YGOMI-AS - Ygomi LLC 209.148.64.0/19 AS13773 TELNETCOMM - Telnet Communications 209.177.64.0/20 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 209.213.0.0/20 AS33005 ELTOPIA - Eltopia.com, LLC 210.56.150.0/23 AS38138 INTECH-TRANSIT-BD InTech Online Limited, INTERNET SERVICE LIMITED 216.21.160.0/20 AS13818 PHX-INTL-TELEPORT - Phoenix International Teleport 216.194.160.0/20 AS13818 PHX-INTL-TELEPORT - Phoenix International Teleport Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)nanog.org eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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