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Century Link contact
by Chris Garrett 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

Is there someone from the CenturyLink network ops group who would be willing to contact me off list? I have an issue with stability on a large number of customer circuits and it’s on the verge of getting very ugly. Thank you.

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Re: [OT] Re: Intellectual Property in Network Design
by Larry Sheldon 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

On 2/15/2015 09:53, Jack Bates wrote: > Most engineers know when they've crossed the line from trivial/mundane > into creative. It tends to be linked to our pride. I wish it did not so often be driven by the thought that this may be an opportunity to game the system for personal gain. -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

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PCH INOC DBA
by Colin Bodor 15 Feb '15

15 Feb '15

Is this still in use? I am trying to setup an account but the account creation process seems broken. I may be late to the party but it looks like a really cool idea assuming people still use it and its active.

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Re: [OT] Re: Intellectual Property in Network Design
by William Herrin 15 Feb '15

15 Feb '15

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Skeeve Stevens < skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.com> wrote: > My views are that if artistic endeavour is involved, then it is IP. > Architecture is certainly that... the look... but, the pipes, sewerage, > electricity, door locks... are not. They are products, bought of the shelf > and assembled. > Hi Skeeve, I think I see where you're getting hung up. The whole thing is intellectual property (IP). Including all of the parts. The pipes, the wires, the locks, all of it. But that doesn't necessarily mean that each part is protectable independent of the rest. Copyright law basically says that if there is any substantive creative input into a work's creation then the work is not only copyrightable, unless the author explicitly says different it's also copyrighted. Throw a paint filled balloon at a canvas and the resulting splatter is copyrighted. Consider: do more unforced choices, more optional choices, more creative choices go in to the production of a router configuration? Of course they do. One can be snobbish about whether that qualifies as art, but it's certainly intellectual property (IP). The catch here is that independent creation is proof against copyright violation. So if there really are only three ways to configure something, you will never successfully enforce the fact that your configuration used one of them. Just because your router configuration is copyrighted doesn't mean someone else can't create exactly the same configuration. And their version will carry a full copyright too. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin(a)dirtside.com bill(a)herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>

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FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
by Ray Soucy 15 Feb '15

15 Feb '15

One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net

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Trouble with USA to France Connectivty
by Joe Renwick 15 Feb '15

15 Feb '15

Hello, I have a client who hosts a web facing service on the west coast of the United States. He has a number of customers in France who have been reporting connectivity issues starting about ten days ago. He has been hosting with us for a number of years and this appears to be the first time he has had these issues. Anyone else having similar issues? Thanks for the time, -- Joe Renwick IP Network Consultant, CCIE #16465 GO NETFORWARD Inc. Mobile: 619-972-7793 For Emergency Support Email "emergency(a)gonetforward.com" and the on call engineer will be paged.

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Intellectual Property in Network Design
by Skeeve Stevens 15 Feb '15

15 Feb '15

Hi all, I have two perspectives I am trying to address with regard to network design and intellectual property. 1) The business who does the design - what are their rights? 2) The customer who asked for the rights from a consultant My personal thoughts are conflicting: - You create networks with standard protocols, configurations, etc... so it shouldn't be IP - But you can design things in interesting ways, with experience, skill, creativity.. maybe that should be IP? - But artwork are created with colors, paintbrushes, canvas... but the result is IP - A photographer takes a photo - it is IP - But how are 'how you do your Cisco/Juniper configs' possibly IP? - If I design a network one way for a customer and they want 'IP', does that mean I can't ever design a network like that again? What? I've seen a few telcos say that they own the IP related to the network design of their customers they deploy... which based on the above... feels uncomfortable... I'm really conflicted on this and wondering if anyone else has come across this situation. Perhaps any legal cases/precedent (note, I am not looking for legal advice :) If this email isn't appropriate for the list... sorry, and please feel free to respond off-line. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & Chief Network Architect* eintellego Networks Pty Ltd Email: skeeve(a)eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com Phone: 1300 239 038 ; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve Facebook: eintellegonetworks <http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks> ; Twitter: eintellego <https://twitter.com/eintellego> LinkedIn: /in/skeeve <http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve> ; Expert360: Profile <https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9> The Experts Who The Experts Call Juniper - Cisco - Cumulus Linux - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering

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Vancouver WA Comcast Outage?
by Aaron C. de Bruyn 15 Feb '15

15 Feb '15

We just lost a handful of customers in Vancouver WA on Comcast. Voice and data are out. Initial reports are saying a transformer blew down town. -A

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Seeking Yahoo Network Engineer
by Harrison Hung 14 Feb '15

14 Feb '15

Hi NANOG. It was suggested I try this list to contact a Yahoo Network Engineer to help me with this problem I'm seeing. I have around 200-300 of my Yahoo hosting customers experiencing this issue where http requests to their websites are timing out. For the last week, I've been trying to reach out to Yahoo Hosting for last week regarding timeouts for http requests from multiple datacenters. Can a Yahoo Network engineer contact me to assist on diagnosing this issue off list? Thanks. My email is at harrison.hung(a)gmail.com Thanks a bunch. Or other suggestions are welcome as to how I can escalate this issue with Yahoo. Regards, Harrison

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GTT NOC
by Ammar Zuberi 14 Feb '15

14 Feb '15

Hi all, Does anyone know of a direct phone number for someone with somewhat authority at GTT? Our prefix has been hijacked by a customer of theirs and we haven’t received any kind of response to our email and the guys on the phone seem to not speak very good English. Any ideas? Ammar.

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