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Re: Need trusted NTP Sources
by Larry Sheldon 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

On 2/9/2014 2:45 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Or do I understand NTP less well than I think? I am of the private opinion that if your name is not "David Mill" (and MAYBE if it IS) the answer is either "42" or "yes". -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Re: Need trusted NTP Sources
by Notify Me 09 Feb '14

09 Feb '14

According to the auditors, "trusted" means 1. Universities or Research facilities (nuclear/atomic facilities, space research (such as NASA) etc.) 2. Main country internet/telecom providers 3. Government departments 4. Satellites (using GPS module) Which is a bit of a tall order over here. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Marc Storck <mstorck(a)voipgate.com> wrote: > You may start by checking who is providing NTP services in Africa via the NTP pool. In Africa there are 27 public servers (http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone/africa) > > But then all depends on your definition of "trusted". > > Regards, > > Marc > ________________________________________ > From: Notify Me [notify.sina(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:03 > To: nanog(a)nanog.org list; afnog(a)afnog.org > Subject: Need trusted NTP Sources > > Hi ! > > I'm trying to help a company I work for to pass an audit, and we've > been told we need trusted NTP sources (RedHat doesn't cut it). Being > located in Nigeria, Africa, I'm not very knowledgeable about trusted > sources therein. > > Please can anyone help with sources that wouldn't mind letting us sync > from them? > > Thanks a lot! >

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TWC (AS11351) blocking all NTP?
by Jonathan Towne 09 Feb '14

09 Feb '14

This evening all of my servers lost NTP sync, stating that our on-site NTP servers hadn't synced in too long. Reference time noted by the local NTP servers: Fri, Jan 31 2014 19:11:29.725 Apparently since then, NTP has been unable to traverse the circuit. Our other provider is shuffling NTP packets just fine, and after finding an NTP peer that return routed in that direction, I was able to get NTP back in shape. Spot checking various NTP peers configured on my end with various looking glasses close to the far-end confirm that anytime the return route is through AS11351, we never get the responses. Outbound routes almost always take the shorter route through our other provider. Is anyone else seeing this, or am I lucky enough to have it localized to my region (Northern NY)? I've created a ticket with the provider, although with it being the weekend, I have doubts it'll be a quick resolution. I'm sure its a strange knee-jerk response to the monlist garbage. Still, stopping time without warning is Uncool, Man. -- Jonathan Towne

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Odd Cogentco routing?
by David Hill 08 Feb '14

08 Feb '14

Hello - While doing some traceroutes, I have found a few destinations that I found a little odd. For example: 5.|-- bbr01aldlmi-bue-2.aldl.mi.charter.com 0.0% 60 152.1 47.2 8.3 367.6 66.0 6.|-- bbr01sgnwmi-bue-5.sgnw.mi.charter.com 0.0% 60 102.3 53.4 15.6 317.9 66.3 7.|-- be4041.nr21.b016069-0.dtw04.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 60 78.9 58.3 19.6 267.9 62.1 8.|-- te0-5-0-5.rcr21.dtw04.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 60 32.6 58.2 20.3 218.3 54.6 9.|-- te4-2.ccr01.tol01.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 60 359.6 95.2 21.4 359.6 84.5 10.|-- te0-5-0-1.ccr21.cle04.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 60 24.3 70.0 24.3 219.3 52.5 11.|-- te7-2.ccr01.buf02.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 60 29.3 89.9 28.8 245.4 66.0 12.|-- te7-2.ccr01.yhm01.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 60 117.6 105.0 30.6 467.8 87.7 13.|-- te0-7-0-34.ccr21.yyz02.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 60 167.5 65.8 32.0 316.7 51.7 14.|-- level3.yyz02.atlas.cogentco.com 15.0% 60 132.0 91.2 47.6 326.1 57.9 15.|-- ae-13-13.bar1.Toronto1.Level3.net 61.7% 60 62.4 107.9 49.5 282.7 73.0 16.|-- ae-9-9.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net 0.0% 60 92.4 116.8 69.6 315.0 59.2 17.|-- ae-1-100.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net 1.7% 60 92.3 127.7 71.2 370.1 62.1 18.|-- ae-3-3.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net 0.0% 60 74.6 125.5 70.7 261.0 50.3 19.|-- ae-2-52.edge4.Atlanta2.Level3.net 0.0% 60 75.0 121.0 71.0 252.4 45.6 Detroit -> Toledo -> Cleveland -> Buffalo -> Hamilton, ON -> Toronto -> Chicago.. Is it odd that Cogentco is routing USA traffic to Canada and handing it off there to Level3 just to bring it back in to the USA? There is also some packetloss at the exchange... Thanks, David

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Cogeco in the house?
by Jason Lixfeld 08 Feb '14

08 Feb '14

If someone from Cogeco could ping me, I'd like to have a chat about something odd and intermittent: It works: BlackBox:~ jlixfeld$ mtr -c 1 -rw 162.243.142.155 Start: Fri Feb 7 18:46:06 2014 HOST: BlackBox.local Loss% Drop Rcv Snt Last Best Avg 1.|-- 192.168.69.1 0.0% 0 1 1 4.0 4.0 4.0 2.|-- 96-45-207-217.beanfield.net 0.0% 0 1 1 9.3 9.3 9.3 3.|-- gi0-1-0-2.bfr01.77mowatav01.yyz.beanfield.com 0.0% 0 1 1 9.9 9.9 9.9 4.|-- be2.bfr01.60hudsonst01.jfk.beanfield.com 0.0% 0 1 1 20.8 20.8 20.8 5.|-- nyk-b3-link.telia.net 0.0% 0 1 1 19.3 19.3 19.3 6.|-- nyk-bb1-link.telia.net 0.0% 0 1 1 19.5 19.5 19.5 7.|-- sjo-bb1-link.telia.net 0.0% 0 1 1 92.5 92.5 92.5 8.|-- digitalocean-ic-302451-sjo-bb1.c.telia.net 0.0% 0 1 1 93.9 93.9 93.9 9.|-- 198.199.99.238 0.0% 0 1 1 94.6 94.6 94.6 10.|-- streetscapeplus.com 0.0% 0 1 1 94.2 94.2 94.2 BlackBox:~ jlixfeld$ Now it doesn't: BlackBox:~ jlixfeld$ mtr -c 1 -r 162.243.142.155 Start: Fri Feb 7 18:42:54 2014 HOST: BlackBox.local Loss% Drop Rcv Snt Last Best Avg 1.|-- 192.168.69.1 0.0% 0 1 1 4.2 4.2 4.2 2.|-- 96-45-207-217.beanfield.n 0.0% 0 1 1 9.0 9.0 9.0 3.|-- gi0-1-0-2.bfr01.77mowatav 0.0% 0 1 1 9.8 9.8 9.8 4.|-- te0-0-0-1.bfr01.151fronts 0.0% 0 1 1 9.5 9.5 9.5 5.|-- gw-mto.torontointernetxch 0.0% 0 1 1 9.0 9.0 9.0 6.|-- tge-1-1.ar1.mtrlpq07.coge 0.0% 0 1 1 17.1 17.1 17.1 7.|-- 206.223.224.225 0.0% 0 1 1 16.8 16.8 16.8 8.|-- ??? 100.0 1 0 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 BlackBox:~ jlixfeld$ Thanks!

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 07 Feb '14

07 Feb '14

BGP Update Report Interval: 30-Jan-14 -to- 06-Feb-14 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS4800 83579 3.9% 363.4 -- LINTASARTA-AS-AP Network Access Provider and Internet Service Provider 2 - AS9829 63814 3.0% 64.7 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone 3 - AS35181 44454 2.1% 3704.5 -- PWC Autonomous System Number for Public WareHouse Company 4 - AS8402 40917 1.9% 21.4 -- CORBINA-AS OJSC "Vimpelcom" 5 - AS31148 25755 1.2% 25.4 -- FREENET-AS Freenet Ltd. 6 - AS27738 24132 1.1% 41.8 -- Ecuadortelecom S.A. 7 - AS10620 22841 1.1% 17.4 -- Telmex Colombia S.A. 8 - AS13118 20696 1.0% 481.3 -- ASN-YARTELECOM OJSC Rostelecom 9 - AS41691 20336 0.9% 726.3 -- SUMTEL-AS-RIPE Summa Telecom LLC 10 - AS60349 18872 0.9% 299.6 -- PBL-KIEV-AS Partners. Business & Law Ltd. 11 - AS4775 18843 0.9% 254.6 -- GLOBE-TELECOM-AS Globe Telecoms 12 - AS8151 17333 0.8% 17.0 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 13 - AS59217 15379 0.7% 15379.0 -- AZONNELIMITED-AS-AP Azonne Limited 14 - AS647 13326 0.6% 115.9 -- DNIC-ASBLK-00616-00665 - DoD Network Information Center 15 - AS28573 13323 0.6% 11.1 -- NET Serviços de Comunicação S.A. 16 - AS50710 12631 0.6% 60.4 -- EARTHLINK-AS EarthLink Ltd. Communications&Internet Services 17 - AS11976 12505 0.6% 211.9 -- FIDN - Fidelity Communication International Inc. 18 - AS11139 12429 0.6% 30.2 -- CWRIN CW BARBADOS 19 - AS18747 11627 0.5% 37.4 -- 20 - AS6713 10822 0.5% 23.5 -- IAM-AS TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS59217 15379 0.7% 15379.0 -- AZONNELIMITED-AS-AP Azonne Limited 2 - AS19406 3793 0.2% 3793.0 -- TWRS-MA - Towerstream I, Inc. 3 - AS35181 44454 2.1% 3704.5 -- PWC Autonomous System Number for Public WareHouse Company 4 - AS54465 6971 0.3% 2323.7 -- QPM-AS-1 - QuickPlay Media Inc. 5 - AS12922 1952 0.1% 1952.0 -- MULTITRADE-AS CEDACRI S.P.A. 6 - AS62431 1863 0.1% 1863.0 -- NCSC-IE-AS National Cyber Security Centre 7 - AS6629 9039 0.4% 1807.8 -- NOAA-AS - NOAA 8 - AS32244 5133 0.2% 1711.0 -- LIQUID-WEB-INC - Liquid Web, Inc. 9 - AS14287 9914 0.5% 1652.3 -- TRIAD-TELECOM - Triad Telecom, Inc. 10 - AS16561 3247 0.1% 1623.5 -- ARIBANETWORK Ariba Inc. Autonomous System 11 - AS30437 4316 0.2% 1438.7 -- GE-MS003 - General Electric Company 12 - AS44153 1146 0.1% 1146.0 -- SHTE Shirak Technologies LLC 13 - AS57364 1089 0.1% 1089.0 -- KMARUDA-AS OJSC Kombinat KMAruda 14 - AS7202 1977 0.1% 988.5 -- FAMU - Florida A & M University 15 - AS24959 877 0.0% 877.0 -- LINJEGODS-AS Schenker AS 16 - AS52571 3499 0.2% 874.8 -- G2G COM PROD ELETRO E SERV LTDA 17 - AS51075 843 0.0% 843.0 -- WOLFF-PL WYDAWNICTWO MULTIMEDIALNE KOWALEWSKI I WOLFF SPOLKA CYWILNA PIOTR GLADKI KRZYSZTOF KOWALEWSKI MACIEJ MANSKI 18 - AS41691 20336 0.9% 726.3 -- SUMTEL-AS-RIPE Summa Telecom LLC 19 - AS23019 662 0.0% 662.0 -- BGP1-BOH - BANK OF HAWAII 20 - AS37546 650 0.0% 650.0 -- MIA-TELECOMs TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 85.239.28.0/24 22575 1.0% AS35181 -- PWC Autonomous System Number for Public WareHouse Company 2 - 85.239.24.0/24 21832 0.9% AS35181 -- PWC Autonomous System Number for Public WareHouse Company 3 - 109.161.64.0/20 20484 0.9% AS13118 -- ASN-YARTELECOM OJSC Rostelecom 4 - 103.243.164.0/22 15379 0.7% AS59217 -- AZONNELIMITED-AS-AP Azonne Limited 5 - 89.221.206.0/24 11680 0.5% AS41691 -- SUMTEL-AS-RIPE Summa Telecom LLC 6 - 216.109.107.0/24 10451 0.5% AS11486 -- COLO-PREM-VZB - Verizon Online LLC AS16561 -- ARIBANETWORK Ariba Inc. Autonomous System 8 - 222.127.0.0/24 9195 0.4% AS4775 -- GLOBE-TELECOM-AS Globe Telecoms 9 - 192.58.232.0/24 9031 0.4% AS6629 -- NOAA-AS - NOAA 10 - 85.249.160.0/20 8297 0.4% AS41691 -- SUMTEL-AS-RIPE Summa Telecom LLC 11 - 205.247.12.0/24 7715 0.3% AS6459 -- TRANSBEAM - I-2000, Inc. 12 - 206.152.15.0/24 6951 0.3% AS54465 -- QPM-AS-1 - QuickPlay Media Inc. 13 - 67.210.190.0/23 6879 0.3% AS11976 -- FIDN - Fidelity Communication International Inc. 14 - 200.23.126.0/24 5809 0.2% AS8151 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 15 - 67.210.188.0/23 5415 0.2% AS11976 -- FIDN - Fidelity Communication International Inc. 16 - 199.187.118.0/24 4529 0.2% AS11054 -- LIVEPERSON LivePerson, Inc 17 - 165.156.25.0/24 4311 0.2% AS30437 -- GE-MS003 - General Electric Company 18 - 69.38.178.0/24 3793 0.2% AS19406 -- TWRS-MA - Towerstream I, Inc. 19 - 84.205.66.0/24 2858 0.1% AS12654 -- RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS Reseaux IP Europeens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) 20 - 2.93.235.0/24 2724 0.1% AS8402 -- CORBINA-AS OJSC "Vimpelcom" Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)nanog.org eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 07 Feb '14

07 Feb '14

This report has been generated at Fri Feb 7 21:13:36 2014 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 31-01-14 491578 275802 01-02-14 491660 275860 02-02-14 491613 276047 03-02-14 491838 275998 04-02-14 491832 275909 05-02-14 491982 276297 06-02-14 492203 276288 07-02-14 492404 276405 AS Summary 46262 Number of ASes in routing system 18980 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 4471 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7029 : WINDSTREAM - Windstream Communications Inc 119428352 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS4134 : CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 07Feb14 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 492602 276419 216183 43.9% All ASes AS28573 3408 84 3324 97.5% NET Serviços de Comunicação S.A. AS6389 3027 56 2971 98.1% BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. AS7029 4471 1706 2765 61.8% WINDSTREAM - Windstream Communications Inc AS17974 2747 177 2570 93.6% TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia AS22773 2329 228 2101 90.2% ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC - Cox Communications Inc. AS4766 2934 889 2045 69.7% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS18881 1868 35 1833 98.1% Global Village Telecom AS1785 2158 406 1752 81.2% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec Communications, Inc. AS36998 1810 97 1713 94.6% SDN-MOBITEL AS10620 2722 1175 1547 56.8% Telmex Colombia S.A. AS18566 2047 565 1482 72.4% MEGAPATH5-US - MegaPath Corporation AS4323 2929 1514 1415 48.3% TWTC - tw telecom holdings, inc. AS7303 1745 415 1330 76.2% Telecom Argentina S.A. AS4755 1823 588 1235 67.7% TATACOMM-AS TATA Communications formerly VSNL is Leading ISP AS7552 1261 157 1104 87.5% VIETEL-AS-AP Viettel Corporation AS7545 2178 1120 1058 48.6% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Telecom Limited AS22561 1264 227 1037 82.0% AS22561 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS9829 1592 650 942 59.2% BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone AS18101 993 187 806 81.2% RELIANCE-COMMUNICATIONS-IN Reliance Communications Ltd.DAKC MUMBAI AS4808 1168 393 775 66.4% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network AS35908 869 107 762 87.7% VPLSNET - Krypt Technologies AS24560 1106 372 734 66.4% AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services AS701 1495 765 730 48.8% UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business AS8151 1386 665 721 52.0% Uninet S.A. de C.V. AS6983 1299 582 717 55.2% ITCDELTA - ITC^Deltacom AS7738 847 148 699 82.5% Telemar Norte Leste S.A. AS4788 937 241 696 74.3% TMNET-AS-AP TM Net, Internet Service Provider AS855 749 57 692 92.4% CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant Regional Communications, Inc. AS4780 1027 371 656 63.9% SEEDNET Digital United Inc. AS6147 768 113 655 85.3% Telefonica del Peru S.A.A. Total 54957 14090 40867 74.4% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 27.100.7.0/24 AS56096 41.73.1.0/24 AS37004 41.73.2.0/24 AS37004 41.73.3.0/24 AS37004 41.73.4.0/24 AS37004 41.73.7.0/24 AS37004 41.73.8.0/24 AS37004 41.73.10.0/24 AS37004 41.73.11.0/24 AS37004 41.73.12.0/24 AS37004 41.73.13.0/24 AS37004 41.73.14.0/24 AS37004 41.73.15.0/24 AS37004 41.73.16.0/24 AS37004 41.73.17.0/24 AS37004 41.73.18.0/24 AS37004 41.73.20.0/24 AS37004 41.73.21.0/24 AS37004 41.76.48.0/21 AS36969 MTL-AS 41.78.120.0/23 AS22351 INTELSAT Intelsat Global BGP Routing Policy 41.87.32.0/19 AS37242 41.190.72.0/23 AS37451 CongoTelecom 41.190.74.0/23 AS37451 CongoTelecom 41.191.92.0/22 AS37245 41.191.108.0/22 AS37004 41.191.108.0/24 AS37004 41.191.109.0/24 AS37004 41.191.110.0/24 AS37004 41.191.111.0/24 AS37004 41.217.208.0/22 AS37158 62.61.220.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV 62.61.221.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV 62.122.216.0/22 AS48727 63.247.0.0/19 AS226 LOS-NETTOS-AS - Los Nettos 63.247.0.0/24 AS27609 63.247.1.0/24 AS27609 63.247.2.0/24 AS27609 63.247.3.0/24 AS27609 63.247.4.0/24 AS27609 63.247.5.0/24 AS27609 63.247.6.0/24 AS27609 63.247.7.0/24 AS27609 63.247.8.0/24 AS27609 63.247.9.0/24 AS27609 63.247.10.0/24 AS27609 63.247.11.0/24 AS27609 63.247.13.0/24 AS27609 63.247.14.0/24 AS27609 63.247.15.0/24 AS27609 63.247.16.0/24 AS27609 63.247.17.0/24 AS27609 63.247.18.0/24 AS27609 63.247.19.0/24 AS27609 63.247.20.0/24 AS27609 63.247.21.0/24 AS27609 63.247.22.0/24 AS27609 63.247.23.0/24 AS27609 63.247.24.0/24 AS27609 63.247.25.0/24 AS27609 63.247.26.0/24 AS27609 63.247.27.0/24 AS27609 63.247.28.0/24 AS27609 63.247.29.0/24 AS27609 64.25.16.0/23 AS19535 64.25.20.0/24 AS19535 64.25.21.0/24 AS19535 64.25.22.0/24 AS19535 64.25.27.0/24 AS7046 RFC2270-UUNET-CUSTOMER - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 64.111.0.0/20 AS8039 CCC-ASN-1 - Cinergy Communications 64.111.160.0/20 AS40551 64.111.160.0/24 AS40551 64.111.161.0/24 AS40551 64.111.162.0/24 AS40551 64.111.167.0/24 AS40551 64.111.169.0/24 AS40551 64.111.170.0/24 AS40551 64.111.171.0/24 AS40551 64.111.172.0/24 AS40551 64.111.173.0/24 AS40551 64.111.174.0/24 AS40551 64.111.175.0/24 AS40551 64.119.240.0/22 AS26072 64.119.240.0/23 AS26072 64.119.242.0/23 AS26072 64.185.224.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.225.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.226.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.227.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.228.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.229.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.230.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.231.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.232.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.233.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.234.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.235.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.236.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.237.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.238.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.185.239.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 64.202.48.0/22 AS23380 64.202.52.0/23 AS23380 64.202.54.0/24 AS23380 64.202.55.0/24 AS23380 64.202.56.0/22 AS23380 64.202.60.0/24 AS23380 64.202.61.0/24 AS23380 64.202.62.0/24 AS23380 64.202.63.0/24 AS23380 65.75.216.0/23 AS10494 AAI - Accurate Automation, Inc. 65.75.217.0/24 AS10494 AAI - Accurate Automation, Inc. 65.111.1.0/24 AS32258 SDNGLOBAL - SDN Global 66.11.112.0/20 AS14572 66.55.96.0/23 AS17203 66.55.98.0/24 AS17203 66.55.99.0/24 AS17203 66.55.100.0/22 AS17203 66.55.102.0/23 AS17203 66.55.104.0/21 AS17203 66.159.98.0/24 AS17206 66.180.64.0/21 AS32558 ZEUTER - Zeuter Development Corporation 66.180.239.0/24 AS35888 VIGNETTE - VIGNETTE CORPORATION 66.187.240.0/20 AS14552 ACS-SOUTHEASTDATACENTER - Affiliated Computer Services, Inc. 66.205.224.0/19 AS16526 BIRCH-TELECOM - Birch Telecom, Inc. 66.206.208.0/22 AS23380 66.206.211.0/24 AS14288 MPINET - MPInet 66.206.212.0/24 AS23380 66.206.213.0/24 AS14288 MPINET - MPInet 66.206.214.0/24 AS23380 66.206.215.0/24 AS23380 66.206.216.0/23 AS14288 MPINET - MPInet 66.206.218.0/23 AS23380 66.206.220.0/22 AS23380 66.251.128.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.133.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.134.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.136.0/21 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.140.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.141.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.142.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.254.160.0/20 AS11402 CCCAS-1 - Charlotte Colocation Center, LLc 66.254.176.0/21 AS11402 CCCAS-1 - Charlotte Colocation Center, LLc 66.254.184.0/22 AS11402 CCCAS-1 - Charlotte Colocation Center, LLc 66.254.188.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 67.21.144.0/22 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 67.21.148.0/22 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 69.46.224.0/20 AS32592 HT-HB32592 - 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Datacate Inc. 107.181.81.0/24 AS55106 DATACATEASN1 - Datacate Inc. 107.181.82.0/24 AS55106 DATACATEASN1 - Datacate Inc. 107.181.83.0/24 AS55106 DATACATEASN1 - Datacate Inc. 107.181.84.0/24 AS55106 DATACATEASN1 - Datacate Inc. 107.181.85.0/24 AS55106 DATACATEASN1 - Datacate Inc. 107.181.86.0/24 AS55106 DATACATEASN1 - Datacate Inc. 107.181.87.0/24 AS55106 DATACATEASN1 - Datacate Inc. 116.206.72.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 116.206.85.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 116.206.103.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 117.120.56.0/21 AS4755 TATACOMM-AS TATA Communications formerly VSNL is Leading ISP 121.46.0.0/16 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 124.64.0.0/10 AS4847 CNIX-AP China Networks Inter-Exchange 151.216.128.0/17 AS28840 TATTELECOM-AS OJSC "OAO TATTELECOM" 151.216.128.0/18 AS28840 TATTELECOM-AS OJSC "OAO TATTELECOM" 151.216.192.0/18 AS28840 TATTELECOM-AS OJSC "OAO TATTELECOM" 164.40.184.0/24 AS19821 172.85.0.0/24 AS29571 CITelecom-AS 172.88.0.0/24 AS29571 CITelecom-AS 172.89.0.0/24 AS29571 CITelecom-AS 172.102.0.0/22 AS4812 CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom (Group) 172.116.0.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - 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E.M.A. 190.124.252.0/22 AS7303 Telecom Argentina S.A. 191.6.176.0/20 AS26242 Link10 Telecom 191.6.192.0/19 AS28299 IPV6 Internet Ltda 192.166.32.0/20 AS702 AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.9.59.0/24 AS1257 TELE2 193.16.106.0/24 AS31539 193.16.145.0/24 AS31392 193.22.224.0/20 AS6824 HERMES-NETWORK Hermes Telecom International Ltd 193.22.238.0/23 AS62383 LDS-AS Lambrechts Data Services VOF 193.26.0.0/24 AS34028 193.33.6.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.38.144.0/20 AS702 AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.164.152.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.178.217.0/24 AS20737 193.186.193.0/24 AS158 ERI-AS - Ericsson Network Systems, Inc. 193.186.199.0/24 AS8437 UTA-AS Tele2 Telecommunication GmbH 193.188.252.0/24 AS8697 JTC-AS8697 Jordan Telecommunications Company 193.200.52.0/23 AS16276 OVH OVH Systems 193.200.244.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.201.244.0/24 AS702 AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - 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JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.181.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.182.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.183.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.184.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.185.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.186.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.187.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.188.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.189.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.190.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 206.221.191.0/24 AS27431 JTLNET - JTL Networks Inc. 207.2.120.0/21 AS6221 USCYBERSITES - US Cybersites, Inc 207.174.131.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.132.0/23 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.152.0/23 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.154.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.155.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.200.0/24 AS22658 EARTHNET - Earthnet, Inc. 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc. 207.254.128.0/21 AS30689 FLOW-NET - 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Pilosoft, Inc. 216.14.64.0/20 AS14728 216.146.0.0/19 AS11915 TELWEST-NETWORK-SVCS-STATIC - TEL WEST COMMUNICATIONS LLC 216.152.24.0/22 AS22773 ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC - Cox Communications Inc. 216.170.96.0/24 AS4565 MEGAPATH2-US - MegaPath Networks Inc. 216.170.101.0/24 AS4565 MEGAPATH2-US - MegaPath Networks Inc. 216.170.104.0/24 AS4565 MEGAPATH2-US - MegaPath Networks Inc. 216.170.105.0/24 AS4565 MEGAPATH2-US - MegaPath Networks Inc. 216.234.132.0/24 AS14545 ADR-DRIVING-RECORDS - AMERICAN DRIVING RECORDS, INC. 216.234.139.0/24 AS14545 ADR-DRIVING-RECORDS - AMERICAN DRIVING RECORDS, INC. 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Re: Why won't providers source-filter attacks? Simple.
by Larry Sheldon 07 Feb '14

07 Feb '14

On 2/7/2014 1:44 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote: > On 2/7/14, 2:30 PM, "Larry Sheldon" <LarrySheldon(a)cox.net> wrote: > > >> On 2/7/2014 1:26 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote: >>> I do not know what is happening in other jurisdictions. >> >> I find that seriously scary, if wide-spread. > > Sorry - too many country-by-country regulators to keep track ofŠ Each and every and any one of which can put you and me out of business. Or worse. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Re: Why won't providers source-filter attacks? Simple.
by Larry Sheldon 07 Feb '14

07 Feb '14

On 2/7/2014 1:26 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote: > I do not know what is happening in other jurisdictions. I find that seriously scary, if wide-spread. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Re: Why won't providers source-filter attacks? Simple.
by Mark Andrews 07 Feb '14

07 Feb '14

In message <CABgOHgs0nEiTCQfOHM21cYwB5Z0PUpAnsWBqV=ppy4K24Zw5pQ(a)mail.gmail.com> , Landon Stewart writes: > --f46d042c63a5ad12dd04f1abc724 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On 4 February 2014 17:18, Mark Andrews <marka(a)isc.org> wrote: > > > > That would never fly, because it would put the politicians at odds with > > > the telecom buddies that make huge political donations. Hard to throw > > > someone in jail then hit them up for campaign money. What will > > > probably happen is the same thing we do with everything else that might > > > be used for evil purposes but where we don't want to tackle the real > > > underlying problem -- just write a law banning something and hope the > > > problem goes away. > > > > No, you write a law requiring something, e.g. BCP 38 filtering by > > ISPs, and you audit it. You also make the ISPs directors liable > > for the impact that results from spoofed traffic from them. > > > > Making it law puts all the ISP's in the country on a equal footing > > with respect to implementation costs. > > > > This is a slippery slope if I've ever seen one. If we start having > legislators making laws for how packets are served we are just begging for > them to put their feet into all kinds of doors that we don't want them in. Well when industries don't self regulate governments step in. This industry is demonstratably incapble of regulating itself in this area despite lots of evidence of the problems being caused for lots of years. This has been DOCUMENTED BEST CURRENT PRACTICE for 13.5 years. Everybody else is having to deal the problems caused by these bad actors. Hell, I suspect you could send the directors to gaol or make them pay a heavy fine today by properly examining the existing laws. A new law would just make the problem more explicit. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka(a)isc.org

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