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Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch
by Larry Sheldon 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

On 10/23/2014 02:15, Matt Palmer wrote: > This is the core problem with systemd, in my mind -- and what has gotten > Linus, amongst other people, so thoroughly cheesed off with the systemd > devs. They don't play well with other children. They don't appear > particularly interested in reusing any existing code, because it's a lot > more fun to write new code. I'm a strong proponent of Joel Spolsky's views > on rewrites (sorry, no URL, I'm on the train) and I don't doubt that all the > same problems will come to haunt systemd on its way from being the new kid > on the block to being legacy code[1]. > > - Matt > > [1] A computer industry term which means, "it works". ...and has for more than a month. -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

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Dual BGP Sessions to Comcast
by Mike Poublon 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

Anyone here have experience with running redundant BGP routers on a Comcast fiber Internet link? We are getting push back from the sales and front-line implementation groups while setting up a new BGP uplink to them. I have several full-feed Internet uplinks with various other ISP's running on a redundant pair of BGP routers. Shy of a few sanity checking questions during setup, no one has had any issues with having more than one BGP session active on a link. Thanks, -Mike

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Re: Linux: concerns over systemd [OT]
by Larry Sheldon 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

On 10/22/2014 23:02, Jim Mercer wrote: > if reducing boot time from 20 minutes down to 1 minute, in a server environment, > is a serious issue for you, maybe you should be looking at why you need to > reboot so often? That is the question I have been asking myself. Back in the day we took it a a failure if a reboot happened. (I remember discussions about needing to reboot to keep counters from overflowing. I thought programming for counter wrap was a better idea.) -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

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anyone from vodafone(.nl) around?
by David Hofstee 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

Hi, Is anyone from Vodafone around? We are having connectivity loss with smtp.vodafone.nl and the helpdesk is not cooperating... David Hofstee Deliverability Management MailPlus B.V. Netherlands (ESP)

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Yahoo Postmaster
by Zachery Peres 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

Looking for a Yahoo Postmaster to contact me offlist. Thank You --Zach P. JMZ Corporation

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Jared Mauch
by Larry Sheldon 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

I don't remember seeing mention of this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69-qhoS9sSw h/t Suresh Ramasubramian on Facebook. (I didn't copy and paste any names--hope I got them right.) -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

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Re: NTT high packet loss from US and BR to AU?
by Javier J 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Javier J <javier(a)advancedmachines.us> wrote: > from Newark, NJ > > 1. pfsense.home 0.0% 295 > 0.2 0.1 0.1 0.7 0.0 > 2. l100.nwrknj-vfttp-134.verizon-gni.net 0.0% 294 > 1.1 8.7 0.9 297.7 31.3 > 3. g0-14-4-1.nwrknj-lcr-21.verizon-gni.net 0.0% 294 > 1.9 4.1 1.6 21.2 2.0 > 4. ae3-0.nwrk-bb-rtr1.verizon-gni.net 0.0% 294 > 30.6 13.3 1.6 127.7 22.0 > 5. ??? > 6. 0.ae1.br3.nyc4.alter.net 0.0% 294 > 22.1 5.0 4.6 36.0 2.2 > 7. 204.255.169.234 0.0% 294 > 3.3 4.0 2.9 221.6 12.7 > 8. ae-2.r23.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 2.4% 294 > 8.9 7.0 3.4 33.8 6.2 > 9. ae-9.r20.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 47.3% 294 > 9.6 16.7 9.2 35.8 6.5 > 10. ae-2.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 0.0% 294 > 71.5 72.2 71.3 91.8 1.9 > 11. xe-0-0-0.r02.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 5.1% 294 > 68.5 69.4 68.0 106.7 4.8 > 12. as-1.r05.sydnau01.au.bb.gin.ntt.net 13.6% 294 > 292.2 289.8 280.8 313.7 3.5 > 13. xe-0-1-0.a06.sydnau01.au.ra.gin.ntt.net 11.2% 294 > 288.5 290.3 281.5 348.9 5.5 > 14. 202.68.70.10 9.5% 294 > 294.3 289.7 280.6 308.9 3.3 > 15. 54.240.192.89 10.6% 294 > 291.4 288.7 279.5 299.8 3.2 > 16. 54.240.192.113 10.9% 294 > 290.1 287.5 279.2 298.7 3.0 > 17. 54.240.192.171 11.9% 294 > 296.2 291.4 282.1 299.1 3.1 > 18. 54.240.192.160 11.3% 294 > 296.2 292.2 283.9 299.6 3.2 > 19. s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com 15.4% 294 > 292.1 291.6 281.9 299.0 3.0 > > From AWS brazil. > > > Host > Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev > 1. ec2-177-71-128-6.sa-east-1.compute.amazonaws.com > 0.0% 1364 0.6 0.8 0.5 41.3 3.1 > 2. 177.72.240.152 > 0.0% 1364 0.9 1.2 0.7 50.6 3.6 > 3. 177.72.240.134 > 2.8% 1364 1.0 1.2 0.7 23.1 2.4 > 4. 2-2-0-0-IPV4-GRASAOTM1 > 0.0% 1364 1.5 0.9 0.6 34.3 2.7 > 5. 5.53.5.246 > 0.0% 1364 1.6 9.7 1.3 117.4 21.1 > 6. Xe2-0-2-0-grtmiana2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net > 0.0% 1364 117.4 119.5 117.1 134.5 3.5 > TE-0-5-0-3-GRTMIANA4.red.telefonica-wholesale.net > Xe2-0-0-0-grtmiana2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net > 7. Xe2-1-3-0-grtmiabr4.red.telefonica-wholesale.net > 0.0% 1364 119.4 127.9 119.0 304.6 22.1 > Te0-10-0-6-grtmiabr6.red.telefonica-wholesale.net > 8. Xe0-0-0-0-grtpaopx2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net > 0.0% 1364 181.9 184.2 181.8 250.1 8.0 > Xe1-3-0-0-grtpaopx2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net > 9. 213.140.53.178 > 0.0% 1364 182.8 182.5 181.9 185.8 0.7 > 10. ae-15.r01.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > 0.8% 1364 525.1 535.6 497.8 546.8 6.1 > 11. ae-9.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > 52.1% 1364 200.8 192.8 180.5 214.9 9.3 > 12. ae-7.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > 0.3% 1364 183.5 184.4 182.5 263.8 6.1 > 13. xe-0-0-0.r02.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > 2.5% 1364 183.9 183.8 182.5 224.1 4.4 > 14. as-3.r05.sydnau01.au.bb.gin.ntt.net > 3.2% 1364 546.5 544.3 520.7 642.3 8.0 > 15. xe-0-1-0.a06.sydnau01.au.ra.gin.ntt.net > 1.7% 1364 538.6 542.2 514.5 653.1 8.3 > 16. 202.68.70.10 > 2.3% 1364 411.3 413.8 384.3 445.4 3.5 > 17. 54.240.192.93 > 2.5% 1364 406.3 411.9 387.9 420.2 2.7 > 18. 54.240.192.117 > 2.2% 1363 405.5 412.5 394.0 482.0 6.6 > 19. 54.240.192.193 > 2.8% 1363 406.7 410.6 396.2 420.2 2.4 > 20. s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com > 2.6% 1363 407.6 410.5 397.2 415.7 2.4 > > > From an AWS instance in Sydney to 4.2.2.2 > > 1. ip-10-5-69-193.ap-southeast-2.co 0.0% 1545 0.8 5.3 0.6 180.5 > 17.3 > 2. 100.68.201.6 0.0% 1545 0.5 0.4 0.3 44.0 > 1.4 > 3. 100.68.201.46 0.0% 1545 0.4 0.3 0.3 28.9 > 0.9 > 4. 100.67.186.7 0.0% 1545 0.4 0.3 0.3 38.9 > 1.2 > 5. 100.67.185.242 0.0% 1545 1.2 0.8 0.6 2.7 > 0.3 > 6. 100.64.135.177 0.0% 1545 0.8 0.8 0.7 3.0 > 0.3 > 7. 100.64.128.240 0.0% 1545 1.0 0.8 0.6 2.6 > 0.3 > 8. 100.64.57.50 0.0% 1545 0.4 0.7 0.3 148.8 > 7.3 > 9. 100.64.24.133 0.0% 1544 1.1 0.9 0.7 3.6 > 0.4 > 10. ec2-54-252-0-16.ap-southeast-2.c 0.0% 1544 0.6 0.8 0.2 52.6 > 4.7 > 11. 54.240.192.108 0.0% 1544 2.2 2.0 1.9 9.4 > 0.6 > 12. 54.240.192.78 0.0% 1544 3.4 3.2 1.9 18.3 > 1.1 > 13. 202.68.70.5 0.0% 1544 1.7 2.5 1.3 95.3 > 8.1 > 14. xe-5-1-0.r05.sydnau01.au.bb.gin. 0.0% 1544 1.5 1.6 1.4 37.1 > 2.4 > 15. as-2.r02.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt. 0.0% 1544 139.5 220.2 139.2 283.5 > 7.8 > 16. xe-2-1-9.r20.lsanca03.us.bb.gin. 2.1% 1544 232.5 226.2 155.4 255.0 > 5.7 > xe-0-0-7.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > 17. ae-2.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt. 1.4% 1544 231.6 225.9 174.8 233.0 > 5.0 > ae-1.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > 18. xe-1.level3.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.n 80.8% 1544 144.6 170.4 143.7 193.4 > 3.6 > xe-2.level3.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > xe-3.level3.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > xe-0.level3.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net > 19. b.resolvers.Level3.net 81.6% 1544 149.3 178.4 148.3 183.2 > 4.5 > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Charles van Niman <charles(a)phukish.com> > wrote: > >> Howdy all, >> >> I've been lurking for a long time, first time writing in. Please >> excuse my inexperience. Javier, can you provide full traces, and >> source/destination addresses? >> >> /Charles >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Javier J <javier(a)advancedmachines.us> >> wrote: >> >>> Anyone else notice this? >>> >>> Or is this an AWS issue in APAC that hasn't been reported yet? >>> >>> AU-NY(aws) >>> 18. xe-1.level3.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.n 72.0% >>> >>> BR(aws)-AU(aws) >>> 11. ae-9.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 71.4% >>> >>> >>> NJ/NYC to AU(aws) >>> 9. ae-9.r20.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 45.9% 772 10.1 16.4 9.2 94.4 13.3 >>> 10. ae-2.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 40.5% 772 69.6 72.7 69.3 149.2 >>> 9.0 >>> >> >> >

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NTT high packet loss from US and BR to AU?
by Javier J 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

Anyone else notice this? Or is this an AWS issue in APAC that hasn't been reported yet? AU-NY(aws) 18. xe-1.level3.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.n 72.0% BR(aws)-AU(aws) 11. ae-9.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 71.4% NJ/NYC to AU(aws) 9. ae-9.r20.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 45.9% 772 10.1 16.4 9.2 94.4 13.3 10. ae-2.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 40.5% 772 69.6 72.7 69.3 149.2 9.0

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Self destruction in open source systems (was Re: Linux: concerns over systemd [OT])
by Larry Sheldon 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

On 10/22/2014 06:01, Randy Bush wrote: >>>> Which leads me to ask - those of you running server farms - what >>>> distros are popular these days, for server-side operations? >>> been running bsd forever. but moving to debian and ganeti, as bsd >>> does not host virtualization. >> Simply not true; http://bhyve.org/ >> It is a bit immature compared to Xen+Ganeti or something like that. > > apologies. i thought we were talking about production systems. my > mistake. This may take us far enough away from BGP and prefix lengths to draw moderator fire, but it is a topic I would like to pursue somewhere. What is it about seems to mandate that they develop a fatal rot from the inside out? I don't have anything to add to the xxxxxX OSes (they Were Not Allowed when I was an active admin), but I have of late been grappling with what to do about replacing Firefox and Thunderbird in the four machines I have left in my world. Early on I developed a fondness for Mosaic as a simple get-the-job done tool to add to elm and news to get the work done. Netscape did a nice integration and I went with that until it went away. Now I have Thunderbird and Firefox--from people who are committed to the notion that if it works, it must be replaced. If people like it, it must be redesigned. If it is stable, it must be updated. If there is a useless, senseless "feature" somewhere in the world, these products must be revised to make that feature the focus. -- The unique Characteristics of System Administrators: The fact that they are infallible; and, The fact that they learn from their mistakes. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

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Why is .gov only for US government agencies?
by Matthew Petach 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Wondering if some of the long-time list members can shed some light on the question--why is the .gov top level domain only for use by US government agencies? Where do other world powers put their government agency domains? With the exception of the cctlds, shouldn't the top-level gtlds be generically open to anyone regardless of borders? Would love to get any info about the history of the decision to make it US-only. Thanks! Matt

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