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IETF's PIM Working Group conducting deployment survey
by Adrian Farrel 30 Sep '12

30 Sep '12

Hi, After a snafu, the PIM working group has restarted its survey into PIM sparse mode deployments. Please see the email at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pim/current/msg02479.html for more information. responses will be anonymised. Many thanks to all operators who are able to respond. Adrian

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need help about 40G
by Deric Kwok 30 Sep '12

30 Sep '12

Hi all Do you have experience in 40G equipments eg: switch and NIC? Any brand name is reliable Thank you so much

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is CERNET part of the Internet?
by Eugen Leitl 28 Sep '12

28 Sep '12

I'm trying to figure out whether CERNET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERNET is part of the official Internet, or is behind the Great Firewall where access to invididual networks on the public Internet must be explicitly granted. Anyone in the know?

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 28 Sep '12

28 Sep '12

BGP Update Report Interval: 20-Sep-12 -to- 27-Sep-12 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS8402 102990 5.0% 62.8 -- CORBINA-AS OJSC "Vimpelcom" 2 - AS1637 29779 1.4% 391.8 -- DNIC-AS-01637 - Headquarters, USAISC 3 - AS9829 26912 1.3% 32.1 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone 4 - AS11081 26535 1.3% 603.1 -- United Telecommunication Services (UTS) 5 - AS22561 23401 1.1% 172.1 -- DIGITAL-TELEPORT - Digital Teleport Inc. 6 - AS13118 19358 0.9% 403.3 -- ASN-YARTELECOM OJSC Rostelecom 7 - AS24560 18482 0.9% 95.3 -- AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services 8 - AS23966 17138 0.8% 49.2 -- LDN-AS-PK LINKdotNET Telecom Limited 9 - AS38547 16790 0.8% 38.6 -- WITRIBE-AS-AP WITRIBE PAKISTAN LIMITED 10 - AS27947 16669 0.8% 22.1 -- Telconet S.A 11 - AS2118 11325 0.6% 8.0 -- RELCOM-AS OOO "NPO Relcom" 12 - AS9583 11278 0.6% 10.9 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 13 - AS7029 11245 0.5% 5.7 -- WINDSTREAM - Windstream Communications Inc 14 - AS10620 10971 0.5% 5.2 -- Telmex Colombia S.A. 15 - AS21599 10586 0.5% 135.7 -- NETDIRECT S.A. 16 - AS21299 10526 0.5% 75.2 -- ORBITA-PLUS-AS ORBITA-PLUS Autonomous System 17 - AS7552 10505 0.5% 8.2 -- VIETEL-AS-AP Vietel Corporation 18 - AS20115 10413 0.5% 12.4 -- CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC - Charter Communications 19 - AS2697 10298 0.5% 156.0 -- ERX-ERNET-AS Education and Research Network 20 - AS38264 10017 0.5% 34.1 -- WATEEN-IMS-PK-AS-AP National WiMAX/IMS environment TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS2033 8659 0.4% 8659.0 -- PANIX - Panix Network Information Center 2 - AS6629 8858 0.4% 4429.0 -- NOAA-AS - NOAA 3 - AS17762 7506 0.4% 2502.0 -- HTIL-TTML-IN-AP Tata Teleservices Maharashtra Ltd 4 - AS14680 6719 0.3% 2239.7 -- REALE-6 - Auction.com 5 - AS36411 2168 0.1% 2168.0 -- RAUXA - Rauxa Direct, LLC 6 - AS20406 1606 0.1% 1606.0 -- BRASLINK - Braslink Network Inc 7 - AS44410 4761 0.2% 1587.0 -- ENTEKHAB-AS ENTEKHAB INDUSTRIAL GROUP 8 - AS36529 2275 0.1% 1137.5 -- AXXA-RACKCO - Rackco.com 9 - AS6197 1096 0.1% 1096.0 -- BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc 10 - AS19858 2022 0.1% 1011.0 -- GENSLER - Gensler and Associates Architects 11 - AS25600 939 0.1% 939.0 -- MATRIKON-1 - Matrikon Inc. 12 - AS48696 924 0.0% 924.0 -- TEMP-AS TEMP Ltd. 13 - AS39915 5443 0.3% 907.2 -- PREM-AS Premiere Global Services 14 - AS29564 865 0.0% 865.0 -- ASN-ITALDATA Italdata S.p.A 15 - AS38857 1613 0.1% 806.5 -- ESOFT-TRANSIT-AS-AP e.Soft Technologies Ltd. 16 - AS33158 771 0.0% 771.0 -- DATA-SERVICES-INC - Data Services Incorporated 17 - AS29126 725 0.0% 725.0 -- DATIQ-AS Datiq B.V. 18 - AS44240 642 0.0% 642.0 -- ALGORYTHM-AS Algoritm LLC 19 - AS26407 3698 0.2% 616.3 -- GUILFORD-COMMUNICATIONS - Guilford Communications, Inc. 20 - AS11081 26535 1.3% 603.1 -- United Telecommunication Services (UTS) TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 109.161.64.0/19 19140 0.9% AS13118 -- ASN-YARTELECOM OJSC Rostelecom 2 - 184.159.130.0/23 11557 0.5% AS22561 -- DIGITAL-TELEPORT - Digital Teleport Inc. 3 - 184.157.224.0/19 10598 0.5% AS22561 -- DIGITAL-TELEPORT - Digital Teleport Inc. 4 - 200.46.0.0/19 10392 0.5% AS21599 -- NETDIRECT S.A. 5 - 209.48.168.0/24 8659 0.4% AS2033 -- PANIX - Panix Network Information Center 6 - 190.60.31.0/24 7612 0.3% AS18747 -- IFX-NW - IFX Communication Ventures, Inc. 7 - 202.41.70.0/24 7236 0.3% AS2697 -- ERX-ERNET-AS Education and Research Network 8 - 182.64.0.0/16 6864 0.3% AS24560 -- AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services 9 - 122.161.0.0/16 6449 0.3% AS24560 -- AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services 10 - 12.139.133.0/24 5409 0.2% AS14680 -- REALE-6 - Auction.com 11 - 95.128.195.0/24 5397 0.2% AS39915 -- PREM-AS Premiere Global Services 12 - 194.63.9.0/24 4901 0.2% AS1273 -- CW Cable and Wireless Worldwide plc 13 - 192.58.2.0/24 4452 0.2% AS6629 -- NOAA-AS - NOAA 14 - 192.58.232.0/24 4406 0.2% AS6629 -- NOAA-AS - NOAA 15 - 49.248.72.0/21 4352 0.2% AS17762 -- HTIL-TTML-IN-AP Tata Teleservices Maharashtra Ltd 16 - 69.38.178.0/24 4132 0.2% AS19406 -- TWRS-MA - Towerstream I, Inc. 17 - 77.235.147.0/24 4093 0.2% AS16130 -- FiberLink Networks 18 - 190.4.128.0/20 3887 0.2% AS11081 -- United Telecommunication Services (UTS) 19 - 202.56.215.0/24 3875 0.2% AS24560 -- AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services 20 - 190.88.192.0/20 3754 0.2% AS11081 -- United Telecommunication Services (UTS) Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)nanog.org eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 28 Sep '12

28 Sep '12

This report has been generated at Fri Sep 28 21:13:05 2012 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 21-09-12 430248 247201 22-09-12 430292 247204 23-09-12 430355 247399 24-09-12 430537 247542 25-09-12 430165 248082 26-09-12 430853 248401 27-09-12 430947 248124 28-09-12 429749 247960 AS Summary 42330 Number of ASes in routing system 17613 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 3290 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS6389 : BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. 113770720 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS4134 : CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 28Sep12 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 429943 247849 182094 42.4% All ASes AS6389 3290 180 3110 94.5% BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. AS28573 2141 57 2084 97.3% NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A. AS4766 2984 943 2041 68.4% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS17974 2356 612 1744 74.0% TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia AS7029 3164 1478 1686 53.3% WINDSTREAM - Windstream Communications Inc AS18566 2084 423 1661 79.7% COVAD - Covad Communications Co. AS22773 1888 285 1603 84.9% ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC - Cox Communications Inc. AS10620 2190 807 1383 63.2% Telmex Colombia S.A. AS2118 1399 97 1302 93.1% RELCOM-AS OOO "NPO Relcom" AS4323 1580 393 1187 75.1% TWTC - tw telecom holdings, inc. AS7303 1561 449 1112 71.2% Telecom Argentina S.A. AS1785 1921 823 1098 57.2% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec Communications, Inc. AS4755 1624 550 1074 66.1% TATACOMM-AS TATA Communications formerly VSNL is Leading ISP AS7552 1108 182 926 83.6% VIETEL-AS-AP Vietel Corporation AS8151 1600 730 870 54.4% Uninet S.A. de C.V. AS18101 1016 172 844 83.1% RELIANCE-COMMUNICATIONS-IN Reliance Communications Ltd.DAKC MUMBAI AS4808 1124 352 772 68.7% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network AS7545 1762 1023 739 41.9% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS13977 859 120 739 86.0% CTELCO - FAIRPOINT COMMUNICATIONS, INC. AS855 686 52 634 92.4% CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant Regional Communications, Inc. AS3356 1113 485 628 56.4% LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications AS17676 711 87 624 87.8% GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp. AS36998 772 148 624 80.8% SDN-MOBITEL AS22561 1038 434 604 58.2% DIGITAL-TELEPORT - Digital Teleport Inc. AS19262 1002 404 598 59.7% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon Online LLC AS24560 1039 443 596 57.4% AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services AS3549 1026 438 588 57.3% GBLX Global Crossing Ltd. AS4780 852 277 575 67.5% SEEDNET Digital United Inc. AS6458 600 38 562 93.7% Telgua AS4804 653 97 556 85.1% MPX-AS Microplex PTY LTD Total 45143 12579 32564 72.1% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 10.86.64.32/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.86.64.36/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.86.65.32/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.86.65.36/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.255.255.0/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.255.255.4/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 10.255.255.8/30 AS65530 -Private Use AS- 14.192.0.0/22 AS45464 NEXTWEB-AS-AP Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.4.0/22 AS45464 NEXTWEB-AS-AP Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.8.0/22 AS45464 NEXTWEB-AS-AP Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.12.0/22 AS45464 NEXTWEB-AS-AP Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.16.0/22 AS45464 NEXTWEB-AS-AP Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.20.0/22 AS45464 NEXTWEB-AS-AP Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.24.0/22 AS45464 NEXTWEB-AS-AP Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.28.0/22 AS45464 NEXTWEB-AS-AP Room 201, TGU Bldg 27.112.114.0/24 AS23884 PROENNET-AS Proimage Engineering and Communication Co.,Ltd. 41.220.80.0/24 AS38925 DAC-AS G.I.T. TELECOM LIMITED 41.220.81.0/24 AS38925 DAC-AS G.I.T. TELECOM LIMITED 41.220.94.0/23 AS42235 IDC-AS Intra Data Communication 41.222.80.0/21 AS37110 moztel-as 41.223.108.0/22 AS36966 EDL_AS Edgenet AS 62.61.220.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV 62.61.221.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV 64.66.32.0/20 AS18864 64.187.208.0/24 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 64.187.209.0/24 AS23005 SWITCH-COMMUNICATIONS - SWITCH Communications Group LLC 66.171.32.0/20 AS705 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 66.180.239.0/24 AS35888 VIGNETTE - VIGNETTE CORPORATION 66.207.32.0/20 AS23011 66.245.176.0/20 AS19318 NJIIX-AS-1 - NEW JERSEY INTERNATIONAL INTERNET EXCHANGE LLC 66.251.128.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.133.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.134.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.136.0/21 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.140.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.141.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.142.0/24 AS33227 BLUEBRIDGE-NETWORKS - Blue Bridge Networks 66.251.143.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 69.46.224.0/20 AS32592 HUNT-BROTHERS-OF-LOUISIANA-LLC - Hunt Brothers 69.46.233.0/24 AS32592 HUNT-BROTHERS-OF-LOUISIANA-LLC - Hunt Brothers 69.46.236.0/24 AS32592 HUNT-BROTHERS-OF-LOUISIANA-LLC - Hunt Brothers 70.34.112.0/20 AS27589 MOJOHOST - MOJOHOST 71.19.134.0/23 AS3313 INET-AS BT Italia S.p.A. 72.35.224.0/22 AS30097 NUWAVE - NuWave 72.35.229.0/24 AS30188 TELEVERGENCE - Televergence Solutions Inc. 72.35.232.0/21 AS30097 NUWAVE - NuWave 72.44.16.0/20 AS15054 NORTHEAST-TEXAS-BROADBAND-LLC - Northeast Texas Broadband, LLC 74.91.48.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.49.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.50.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.51.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.52.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.53.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.54.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.55.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.56.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.57.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.58.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.59.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.60.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.61.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.62.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.91.63.0/24 AS30137 SEA-BROADBAND - Sea Broadband, LLC 74.115.124.0/23 AS46540 74.115.126.0/24 AS11260 EASTLINK-HSI - EastLink 81.22.64.0/20 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom S.A. 82.101.160.0/19 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom S.A. 100.100.0.0/24 AS4847 CNIX-AP China Networks Inter-Exchange 110.34.44.0/22 AS12653 COMTONET KB Impuls Hellas S.A. 116.206.72.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 116.206.85.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 116.206.103.0/24 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 117.120.56.0/21 AS4755 TATACOMM-AS TATA Communications formerly VSNL is Leading ISP 121.46.0.0/16 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 142.54.0.0/19 AS23498 CDSI - Cogeco Data Services LP 172.102.0.0/22 AS4812 CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom (Group) 172.116.0.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T Services, Inc. 172.120.16.0/21 AS19891 BML-AS Bill Me Later, Inc 192.0.0.0/24 AS14745 INTERNAP-BLOCK-4 - Internap Network Services Corporation 198.18.0.0/15 AS14745 INTERNAP-BLOCK-4 - Internap Network Services Corporation 198.51.100.0/24 AS14745 INTERNAP-BLOCK-4 - Internap Network Services Corporation 200.1.112.0/24 AS29754 GO2TEL GO2TEL.COM INC. 200.6.49.0/24 AS23148 TERREMARK Terremark 200.53.0.0/19 AS13878 Diveo do Brasil Telecomunicacoes Ltda 200.58.248.0/21 AS27849 200.75.184.0/21 AS52390 Administradora de Redes, S.A. 200.75.184.0/24 AS14754 Telgua 200.75.185.0/24 AS14754 Telgua 200.75.186.0/24 AS14754 Telgua 200.75.187.0/24 AS14754 Telgua 200.75.188.0/24 AS14754 Telgua 200.75.189.0/24 AS14754 Telgua 200.75.190.0/24 AS14754 Telgua 200.75.191.0/24 AS14754 Telgua 202.1.224.0/24 AS10097 FLOWCOM Flow Communications 2/541 Kent St Sydney NSW 2000 202.8.106.0/24 AS9530 SHINSEGAE-AS SHINSEGAE I&C Co., Ltd. 202.58.113.0/24 AS19161 202.83.120.0/21 AS37972 202.83.124.0/24 AS37972 202.83.125.0/24 AS37972 202.83.126.0/24 AS37972 202.94.1.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 202.174.125.0/24 AS9498 BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 202.176.1.0/24 AS9942 COMINDICO-AP SOUL Converged Communications Australia 202.179.134.0/24 AS23966 LDN-AS-PK LINKdotNET Telecom Limited 203.0.113.0/24 AS14745 INTERNAP-BLOCK-4 - Internap Network Services Corporation 203.23.1.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.24.38.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.30.127.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.32.86.0/23 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.32.86.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.32.87.0/24 AS18111 NETSPEED-AS-AP Netspeed Internet Communications 203.32.188.0/24 AS1221 ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd 203.142.219.0/24 AS45149 204.9.116.0/22 AS30097 NUWAVE - NuWave 204.10.88.0/21 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 204.10.92.0/23 AS30097 NUWAVE - NuWave 204.10.94.0/23 AS30097 NUWAVE - NuWave 204.14.0.0/21 AS30693 EONIX-CORPORATION-AS-PHX01-WWW-INFINITIE-NET - Eonix Corporation 204.14.0.0/24 AS30693 EONIX-CORPORATION-AS-PHX01-WWW-INFINITIE-NET - Eonix Corporation 204.14.2.0/24 AS30693 EONIX-CORPORATION-AS-PHX01-WWW-INFINITIE-NET - Eonix Corporation 204.14.3.0/24 AS30693 EONIX-CORPORATION-AS-PHX01-WWW-INFINITIE-NET - Eonix Corporation 205.175.214.0/24 AS5583 ORANGE-BUSINESS-SERVICES-BENELUX France Telecom S.A. 206.197.184.0/24 AS23304 DATOTEL-STL-AS - Datotel LLC, a NetLabs LLC Company 207.174.131.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.132.0/23 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.152.0/23 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.154.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.155.0/24 AS26116 INDRA - Indra's Net Inc 207.174.200.0/24 AS22658 EARTHNET - Earthnet, Inc. 207.174.248.0/21 AS6653 PRIVATEI - privateI, LLC 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc. 208.83.53.0/24 AS40569 YGOMI-AS - Ygomi LLC 208.93.144.0/21 AS30693 EONIX-CORPORATION-AS-PHX01-WWW-INFINITIE-NET - Eonix Corporation 208.93.151.0/24 AS30693 EONIX-CORPORATION-AS-PHX01-WWW-INFINITIE-NET - Eonix Corporation 209.148.64.0/19 AS13773 TELNETCOMM - Telnet Communications 209.177.64.0/20 AS6461 MFNX MFN - Metromedia Fiber Network 209.213.0.0/20 AS33005 ELTOPIA - Eltopia.com, LLC 213.150.204.0/24 AS29338 AFOL-AS Used by Africaonline Operations 216.12.160.0/20 AS26627 AS-PILOSOFT - Pilosoft, Inc. 216.21.160.0/20 AS27876 American Data Networks 216.146.0.0/19 AS11915 TELWEST-NETWORK-SVCS-STATIC - TEL WEST COMMUNICATIONS LLC 216.194.160.0/20 AS27876 American Data Networks 216.234.128.0/22 AS14545 ADR-DRIVING-RECORDS - AMERICAN DRIVING RECORDS, INC. 216.234.132.0/24 AS14545 ADR-DRIVING-RECORDS - AMERICAN DRIVING RECORDS, INC. 216.234.139.0/24 AS14545 ADR-DRIVING-RECORDS - AMERICAN DRIVING RECORDS, INC. Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)nanog.org eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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The Department of Work and Pensions, UK has an entire /8
by Eugen Leitl 28 Sep '12

28 Sep '12

http://paritynews.com/network/item/325-department-of-work-and-pensions-uk-i… Department of Work and Pensions UK in Possession of 16.9 Million Unused IPv4 Addresses Written by Ravi Mandalia Department of Work and Pensions UK in Possession of 16.9 Million Unused IPv4 Addresses The Department of Work and Pensions, UK has an entire block of '/8' IPv4 addresses that is unused and an e-petition has been filed in this regards asking the DWP to sell it off thus easing off the RIPE IPv4 address space scarcity a little. John Graham-Cumming, who found this unused block, wrote in a blog post that the DWP was in possession of 51.0.0.0/8 IPv4 addresses. According to Cumming, these 16.9 million IP addresses are unused at the moment and he derived this conclusion by doing a check in the ASN database. “A check of the ASN database will show that there are no networks for that block of addresses,” he wrote. An e-petition has been filed in this regards. “It has recently come to light that the Department for Work and Pensions has its own allocated block of 16,777,216 addresses (commonly referred to as a /8), covering 51.0.0.0 to 51.255.255.255”, reads the petition. The UK government, if it sells off this /8 block, could end up getting £1 billion mark. “£1 billion of low-effort extra cash would be a very nice thing to throw at our deficit,” read the petition. Cumming ends his post with the remark, “So, Mr. Cameron, I'll accept a 10% finder's fee if you dispose of this asset :-)”.

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Charter Business IPv6 Contact?
by dale 28 Sep '12

28 Sep '12

Apologies, as this was discussed recently. There was an engineer from Charter Business who was setting up IPv6 trials for Charter Business customers recently. If he is still lurking the list, can I ask that you contact me off-list to discuss this? Thank You. Dale Elfes

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Analysis Role Account 28 Sep '12

28 Sep '12

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, TRNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.rand.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfsinoz(a)gmail.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 29 Sep, 2012 Report Website: http://thyme.rand.apnic.net Detailed Analysis: http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/ Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 427331 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 178718 Deaggregation factor: 2.39 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 209290 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 42215 Prefixes per ASN: 10.12 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 33672 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 15754 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 5612 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 141 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 4.6 Max AS path length visible: 35 Max AS path prepend of ASN ( 48687) 24 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 769 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 279 Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs: 3336 Number of 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 2931 Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table: 7916 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 12 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 164 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 2601743212 Equivalent to 155 /8s, 19 /16s and 115 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 70.3 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 70.3 Percentage of available address space allocated: 100.0 Percentage of address space in use by end-sites: 93.7 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 150222 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 102740 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 32571 APNIC Deaggregation factor: 3.15 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 103414 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 42743 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 4766 APNIC Prefixes per ASN: 21.70 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 1237 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 773 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.7 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 26 Number of APNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 315 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 708388512 Equivalent to 42 /8s, 57 /16s and 38 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 82.8 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079, 55296-56319, 58368-59391, 131072-133119 APNIC Address Blocks 1/8, 14/8, 27/8, 36/8, 39/8, 42/8, 43/8, 49/8, 58/8, 59/8, 60/8, 61/8, 101/8, 103/8, 106/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8, 116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8, 123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 133/8, 150/8, 153/8, 163/8, 171/8, 175/8, 180/8, 182/8, 183/8, 202/8, 203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8, 219/8, 220/8, 221/8, 222/8, 223/8, ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 154519 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 78181 ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.98 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 155430 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 69144 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 15250 ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 10.19 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 5766 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1586 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 4.1 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 23 Number of ARIN region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 17 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 1087029632 Equivalent to 64 /8s, 202 /16s and 193 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 57.5 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863, 39936-40959, 46080-47103 53248-55295, 393216-394239 ARIN Address Blocks 3/8, 4/8, 6/8, 7/8, 8/8, 9/8, 11/8, 12/8, 13/8, 15/8, 16/8, 17/8, 18/8, 19/8, 20/8, 21/8, 22/8, 23/8, 24/8, 26/8, 28/8, 29/8, 30/8, 32/8, 33/8, 34/8, 35/8, 38/8, 40/8, 44/8, 45/8, 47/8, 48/8, 50/8, 52/8, 53/8, 54/8, 55/8, 56/8, 57/8, 63/8, 64/8, 65/8, 66/8, 67/8, 68/8, 69/8, 70/8, 71/8, 72/8, 73/8, 74/8, 75/8, 76/8, 96/8, 97/8, 98/8, 99/8, 100/8, 104/8, 107/8, 108/8, 128/8, 129/8, 130/8, 131/8, 132/8, 134/8, 135/8, 136/8, 137/8, 138/8, 139/8, 140/8, 142/8, 143/8, 144/8, 146/8, 147/8, 148/8, 149/8, 152/8, 155/8, 156/8, 157/8, 158/8, 159/8, 160/8, 161/8, 162/8, 164/8, 165/8, 166/8, 167/8, 168/8, 169/8, 170/8, 172/8, 173/8, 174/8, 184/8, 192/8, 198/8, 199/8, 204/8, 205/8, 206/8, 207/8, 208/8, 209/8, 214/8, 215/8, 216/8, RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 108275 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 57184 RIPE Deaggregation factor: 1.89 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 110843 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 71392 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 16872 RIPE Prefixes per ASN: 6.57 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 8127 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2714 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 5.1 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 35 Number of RIPE region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 1906 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 647248932 Equivalent to 38 /8s, 148 /16s and 60 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 94.1 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 (pre-ERX allocations) 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-35839, 38912-39935 40960-45055, 47104-52223, 56320-58367 59392-61439, 196608-199679 RIPE Address Blocks 2/8, 5/8, 25/8, 31/8, 37/8, 46/8, 51/8, 62/8, 77/8, 78/8, 79/8, 80/8, 81/8, 82/8, 83/8, 84/8, 85/8, 86/8, 87/8, 88/8, 89/8, 90/8, 91/8, 92/8, 93/8, 94/8, 95/8, 109/8, 141/8, 145/8, 151/8, 176/8, 178/8, 185/8, 188/8, 193/8, 194/8, 195/8, 212/8, 213/8, 217/8, LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 43973 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 8501 LACNIC Deaggregation factor: 5.17 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 47221 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 22344 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1660 LACNIC Prefixes per ASN: 28.45 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 450 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 321 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.7 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 25 Number of LACNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 687 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 116918824 Equivalent to 6 /8s, 248 /16s and 10 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 69.7 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671, 52224-53247, 262144-263167 plus ERX transfers LACNIC Address Blocks 177/8, 179/8, 181/8, 186/8, 187/8, 189/8, 190/8, 191/8, 200/8, 201/8, AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 9784 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 2224 AfriNIC Deaggregation factor: 4.40 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 10259 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 3532 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 562 AfriNIC Prefixes per ASN: 18.25 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 174 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 128 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.7 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 25 Number of AfriNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 6 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 41850880 Equivalent to 2 /8s, 126 /16s and 152 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 41.6 AfriNIC AS Blocks 36864-37887, 327680-328703 & ERX transfers AfriNIC Address Blocks 41/8, 102/8, 105/8, 154/8, 196/8, 197/8, APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4766 2979 11428 904 Korea Telecom (KIX) 17974 2356 702 54 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 7545 1762 301 87 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 4755 1624 387 163 TATA Communications formerly 9829 1332 1106 41 BSNL National Internet Backbo 9583 1181 88 515 Sify Limited 4808 1124 2046 319 CNCGROUP IP network: China169 7552 1108 1062 11 Vietel Corporation 24560 1039 386 160 Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia 18101 1016 135 169 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-APNIC ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 6389 3291 3730 177 bellsouth.net, inc. 7029 3164 990 161 Windstream Communications Inc 18566 2084 382 180 Covad Communications 1785 1918 678 128 PaeTec Communications, Inc. 22773 1888 2931 128 Cox Communications, Inc. 20115 1656 1581 617 Charter Communications 4323 1576 1153 387 Time Warner Telecom 30036 1365 272 751 Mediacom Communications Corp 7018 1262 10320 840 AT&T WorldNet Services 7011 1205 329 699 Citizens Utilities Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-ARIN RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 8402 1726 544 16 Corbina telecom 2118 1399 97 14 EUnet/RELCOM Autonomous Syste 12479 846 775 74 Uni2 Autonomous System 34984 782 206 181 BILISIM TELEKOM 6830 724 2313 448 UPC Distribution Services 31148 711 37 9 FreeNet ISP 13188 694 92 153 Educational Network 20940 691 219 531 Akamai Technologies European 58113 631 70 366 LIR DATACENTER TELECOM SRL 8551 575 364 61 Bezeq International Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-RIPE LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 10620 2190 376 218 TVCABLE BOGOTA 28573 2141 1251 56 NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A 8151 1594 3045 346 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 7303 1561 1034 199 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 6503 1536 435 68 AVANTEL, S.A. 27947 724 74 91 Telconet S.A 3816 642 309 53 Empresa Nacional de Telecomun 6458 601 81 15 GUATEL 11172 590 85 69 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 14420 588 87 102 CORPORACION NACIONAL DE TELEC Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-LACNIC AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 24863 865 275 36 LINKdotNET AS number 8452 784 958 13 TEDATA 36998 772 48 3 MOBITEL 6713 517 650 19 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 24835 269 80 8 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 3741 264 904 224 The Internet Solution 12258 194 28 66 Vodacom Internet Company 15706 192 32 6 Sudatel Internet Exchange Aut 29975 191 667 21 Vodacom 33776 189 12 13 Starcomms Nigeria Limited Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-AFRINIC Global Per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 6389 3291 3730 177 bellsouth.net, inc. 7029 3164 990 161 Windstream Communications Inc 4766 2979 11428 904 Korea Telecom (KIX) 17974 2356 702 54 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 10620 2190 376 218 TVCABLE BOGOTA 28573 2141 1251 56 NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A 18566 2084 382 180 Covad Communications 1785 1918 678 128 PaeTec Communications, Inc. 22773 1888 2931 128 Cox Communications, Inc. 7545 1762 301 87 TPG Internet Pty Ltd Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 7029 3164 3003 Windstream Communications Inc 17974 2356 2302 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 28573 2141 2085 NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A 4766 2979 2075 Korea Telecom (KIX) 10620 2190 1972 TVCABLE BOGOTA 18566 2084 1904 Covad Communications 1785 1918 1790 PaeTec Communications, Inc. 22773 1888 1760 Cox Communications, Inc. 8402 1726 1710 Corbina telecom 7545 1762 1675 TPG Internet Pty Ltd Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-CIDRnet List of Unregistered Origin ASNs (Global) ----------------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 59505 UNALLOCATED 5.2.65.0/24 50673 Serverius AS 59505 UNALLOCATED 5.2.66.0/24 50673 Serverius AS 59414 UNALLOCATED 5.102.144.0/21 15576 Nextra backbone in D 59395 UNALLOCATED 5.133.16.0/21 12658 Dexterity Networks L 59407 UNALLOCATED 5.134.16.0/21 51167 Giga-Hosting GmbH 59521 UNALLOCATED 5.134.192.0/21 29518 Labs2 59441 UNALLOCATED 5.144.128.0/21 50810 Mobin Net Communicat 59581 UNALLOCATED 5.149.8.0/21 25577 C4L main AS 59457 UNALLOCATED 5.149.64.0/24 35567 DASTO semtel d.o.o. 59457 UNALLOCATED 5.149.64.0/19 35567 DASTO semtel d.o.o. Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-badAS Prefixes from private and non-routed address space (Global) ----------------------------------------------------------- Prefix Origin AS Description 128.0.24.0/21 41794 Altline LLC 128.0.64.0/22 49466 Declic Telecom SAS 128.0.68.0/22 49466 Declic Telecom SAS 128.0.80.0/20 52041 Timer LTD 128.0.104.0/23 51848 FOP Gabidullina Ludmila Nikol 128.0.128.0/20 29285 AMT closed joint-stock compan 128.0.144.0/22 59675 >>UNKNOWN<< 128.0.160.0/21 23456 32-bit ASN transition 128.0.168.0/21 15772 W-NET Kiev 128.0.170.0/24 24685 ISP Elencom autonomous system Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-dsua Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 14.192.0.0/22 45464 Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.4.0/22 45464 Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.8.0/22 45464 Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.12.0/22 45464 Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.16.0/22 45464 Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.20.0/22 45464 Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.24.0/22 45464 Room 201, TGU Bldg 14.192.28.0/22 45464 Room 201, TGU Bldg 27.112.114.0/24 23884 Proimage Engineering and Comm 41.220.80.0/24 38925 DAC AS Germany Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-add-IANA Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:18 /9:14 /10:29 /11:87 /12:240 /13:477 /14:846 /15:1546 /16:12409 /17:6482 /18:10858 /19:21073 /20:30287 /21:32307 /22:42709 /23:40047 /24:223626 /25:1395 /26:1680 /27:914 /28:179 /29:66 /30:18 /31:0 /32:24 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 7029 2647 3164 Windstream Communications Inc 18566 2034 2084 Covad Communications 6389 1838 3291 bellsouth.net, inc. 8402 1438 1726 Corbina telecom 30036 1299 1365 Mediacom Communications Corp 22773 1229 1888 Cox Communications, Inc. 11492 1164 1201 Cable One 6503 1054 1536 AVANTEL, S.A. 1785 1016 1918 PaeTec Communications, Inc. 7011 944 1205 Citizens Utilities Complete listing at http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-sXXas-nos Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 1:621 2:668 3:1 4:13 5:544 6:3 8:463 12:1985 13:1 14:666 15:11 16:3 17:6 20:27 23:202 24:1786 27:1345 31:1023 32:54 33:2 34:2 36:7 37:821 38:829 39:2 40:133 41:3032 42:159 44:3 46:1602 47:2 49:469 50:594 52:13 54:22 55:9 56:1 57:27 58:990 59:541 60:238 61:1290 62:938 63:1982 64:4271 65:2242 66:4512 67:2090 68:1165 69:3235 70:988 71:509 72:1871 74:2592 75:485 76:314 77:968 78:961 79:495 80:1234 81:970 82:635 83:529 84:516 85:1159 86:491 87:927 88:364 89:1831 90:301 91:5230 92:596 93:1422 94:1638 95:1225 96:417 97:324 98:972 99:39 100:23 101:263 103:1578 105:512 106:118 107:199 108:464 109:1530 110:806 111:970 112:445 113:702 114:609 115:889 116:893 117:732 118:932 119:1214 120:335 121:690 122:1634 123:1165 124:1327 125:1277 128:563 129:190 130:282 131:634 132:309 133:22 134:251 135:61 136:219 137:239 138:337 139:170 140:498 141:279 142:486 143:387 144:488 145:81 146:517 147:264 148:750 149:325 150:154 151:192 152:451 153:178 154:20 155:420 156:224 157:373 158:258 159:659 160:344 161:411 162:363 163:191 164:694 165:423 166:527 167:553 168:966 169:126 170:908 171:167 172:6 173:1681 174:627 175:444 176:789 177:1243 178:1613 180:1340 181:140 182:1058 183:296 184:605 185:6 186:2193 187:1258 188:1697 189:1587 190:6053 192:6029 193:5727 194:4559 195:3478 196:1219 197:225 198:3818 199:5024 200:6023 201:1990 202:8712 203:8719 204:4423 205:2536 206:2755 207:2856 208:4068 209:3659 210:2853 211:1529 212:1988 213:1819 214:892 215:87 216:5118 217:1570 218:569 219:313 220:1251 221:532 222:337 223:403 End of report

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WAY OT Re: guys != gender neutral
by Jay Ashworth 28 Sep '12

28 Sep '12

----- Original Message ----- > From: "Owen DeLong" <owen(a)delong.com> > > As a form of address. "Hey, people" is ... well, nearly abrasive. > > (Envision a waitron walking up to a mixed table of 10.) > > > > Sure, in that limited context. In such a circumstance, I believe the phrase > "ladies and gentlem[ae]n" is usually adequate and equally gender neutral. Yes, cause Hooters waitresses are gonna use that phrasing all day long. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra(a)baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274

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Ethernet OAM BCPs Please are there any yet???
by Adam Vitkovsky 27 Sep '12

27 Sep '12

Hi Are there any best common practices for the CFM levels use Since my pure Ethernet aggregation layers are small I believe I only need two CFM levels I plan on using Level 5 between CPEs managed by us and Level 4 between Aggregation devices -that's where MPLS PWs kicks in So leaving Level 7 and Level 6 for customers and carrier-customers respectfully -would this be enough please? I'm also interested on what's the rule of thumb for CCMs Frequency, Number of Packets, Interpacket Interval, Packet Size and Lifetime for the particular operation Thanks a lot for any inputs adam

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