March 2010 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Re: Alcatel-Lucent
by Scott Weeks 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

--- mirotrem(a)gmail.com wrote: I'll have to second everything everyone is saying. Absolutely pleased with everything about them. Just wish I had more 7750s instead of 7450s. ---------------------------------------------- That reminds me of one thing that adds more complexity. We carry our internet in a VPRN for various reasons. The 7450s don't do BGP AFAIK in a VPRN. So, if your downstream BGP customers will physically attach to the 7450 you'll have to epipe over to a 7750 to terminate BGP. Then, since the epipe doesn't go down, you'll have to do BFD with the customer. Many customers say "do what?"... ;-) If you don't do BFD they'll have to wait for the BGP session to time out. scott

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Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?
by Larry Sheldon 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

On 3/4/2010 3:14 PM, Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu wrote: > On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:35:47 EST, Dean Anderson said: >> <lots of whining about "it's not a DDoS/spam"> elided. > > My To: list: > > To: jim deleskie <deleskie(a)gmail.com> Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org > > Your To: list: > > To: Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu, Shon Elliott <shon(a)unwiredbb.com>, Adam > Stasiniewicz <adam(a)adamstas.com>, Reed Loden <reed(a)reedloden.com>, > Noel Butler <noel.butler(a)ausics.net>, jim deleskie > <deleskie(a)gmail.com>, Matthew Dodd <mdodd(a)doddserver.com>, > Benjamin Billon<bbillon-ml(a)splio.fr>, Bob Poortinga > <bobp+nanog(a)webster.tsc.com>, Seth Mattinen <sethm(a)rollernet.us>, > Rich Kulawiec <rsk(a)gsp.org>, "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb(a)byrneit.net>, > Michelle Sullivan <matthew(a)sorbs.net>, Jay Hennigan <jay(a)west.net>, > Larry Sheldon<LarrySheldon(a)cox.net> Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org, Betty Burke > <bburke(a)merit.edu> > > And you *know* the cc: to nanog won't work. Sending mail to places > you *know* don't want it is the trademark of a spammer. No wonder > you whine so much about "it's not a DDoS/spam". Now I am really confused. When I said "Reply to all" ("reply to list" didn't light, because it turns out the list name was not in the bunch any place, so I deleted all the CC:s and added a "To: ". My usual practice is to delete all the To:s and Cc:s, leaving only the CC: nanog(a)nanog.org which seems to work fine. It would be nice if people would just reply to the list and leave all the CC;s from prior list traffic off. > Congrats. Only one or two people manage to exceed my legendary > patience and earn a personal entry in my procmailrc pointing to > /dev/null. Have a nice day. I'm surprised that I haven't been admonished--I have never been allowed to talk about operational stuff this long before. -- "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." Remember: The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml

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Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?
by Larry Sheldon 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

On 3/4/2010 2:35 PM, Dean Anderson wrote: > When there are 100 million facebook organizations, perhaps your > comparison will be appropriate. But even then, only if your friends > participate in all 100 million. Getting the occasional facebook, > linkedin, and plaxo invitation from your friends is not a DOS. Just > shows how you like to use inflamatory rhetoric. The strain of the > rhetoric is what exposes the scam, and your untoward willingness to go > along with the scammers. (Oh wait, that is the NANOG trademark, isn't > it?) Nobody said it would be a DOS. Some of us who know what we are talking about call it spam, since it meets every criterion for the term. I leave the NANOG trademark stuff to those of you who enjoy that. I took the liberty of stripping all the crosspos.....I mean CC:s off. -- "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." Remember: The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml

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Re: Alcatel-Lucent
by Scott Weeks 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

--- lists(a)iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and DIA. Any comments are welcome, good and bad. --------------------------------------------------- We deploy these. They are very different from cisco (so there will be a big learning curve) and kick ass. Be sure to go to 7.<something> as cflowd (their netflow) does not report correctly on things like ASN. scott

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Re: Alcatel-Lucent
by Scott Weeks 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

--- lists(a)iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and DIA. Any comments are welcome, good and bad. --------------------------------------------------- BTW, one example is you only have to deal with one command set for all boxes within a given version. Good for programmatic thingies... :-) Also, SAM (the element management system) has gotten better as well. scott

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Ubiquti NanobridgeM
by Todd Mueller 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

Anyone have any real-world experience with Ubiquti's MIMO PTP equipment? We're looking to shoot data at distances of a few hundred feet up to 2-3 miles. Reliability? Latency? Other issues? Any feedback is appreciated. http://www.ubnt.com/nanobridge Thanks! Todd

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Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook?
by deleskie＠gmail.com 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

Maybe I'm wrong on this, and I'm not a mailadmin anywhere nor have I been or pretended to have been in the past. But I'm pretty sure FB only sends you mail based on the prefrences you choose, and I know this is the answer you where given so mostly a statement. How does that equal spam :) ------Original Message------ From: Reed Loden To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: Spamcop Blocks Facebook? Sent: Feb 26, 2010 12:46 AM On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:14:37 -0800 Shon Elliott <shon(a)unwiredbb.com> wrote: > Anyone from Facebook or Spamcop lurking around to look into this? It's quite > annoying.. I can't imagine how many other users are scratching their heads on > this one... I'm a long-time SpamCop member, so I forwarded your mail to the deputies. They are aware that facebook's servers have been sporadically listed, and one of them specifically said the following: "Not much we can do about the listings. They're sending spam to our traps in large enough numbers that raises the score to a listing level. If Facebook were to follow best practices the spam complaints and trap hits would drop to levels that keeps them from getting listed." ~reed -- Reed Loden - <reed(a)reedloden.com> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

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Alaska IXP?
by Sean Donelan 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

Are there any common locations in Alaska where multiple local ISPs exchange traffic, either transit or peering? Or is Seattle the closest exchange point for Alaska ISPs?

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My email recived in incorrect date by hotmail
by Tarig Y. Adam 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

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lt2p/pptp vpn concentrators
by Leslie 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

Hey - We're currently looking for a small lt2p/pptp concentrator, mainly so people can connect via their iphones/androids with some vpn client to get email on the go. Does anyone have any boxes that they love/hate? Thanks for the advice Leslie

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