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Power/temperature monitoring
by Frank Bulk 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

Hopefully monitoring the status of a network is on-topic. I'm looking for temperature and power monitoring unit to install in some remote BWA cabinets. We had two incidents where we lost power in a town and we weren't aware of it until the backup batter drained to empty, and another situation where the cabinet became too cold. Because these cabinets are less than 19" wide and just 3-5" deep, I need something quite small. I did find one product but it requires four components (unit with built-in temperature sensor, adapter, and AC power sensor, plus power supply) Perhaps there's someone on this list who has gone down this road and can point me to a good product. Required: - temperature sensor - 110 VAC power monitoring (on/off, not necessarily current) - Ethernet interface (at least SNMP, Web GUI and Optional: - fed via 12 VDC power - 12 VDC power monitoring (current) - humidity sensor Frank

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AT&T Outage?
by Loveless, Phillip S. 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

Update: 4 785 ms 245 ms 781 ms gbr5.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.123.202.130] 5 756 ms 759 ms 787 ms tbr1.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.11.9] 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 729 ms 737 ms 699 ms 64.212.107.97 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 682 ms 688 ms 331 ms COMCAST-IP-SERVICES-LLC-New-York.TenGigabitEther et9-2.ar4.NYC1.gblx.net [64.213.77.218] 10 667 ms 673 ms 674 ms te-0-1-0-0-crs01.plainfield.nj.panjde.comcast.ne [68.85.192.37] 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 710 ms 696 ms 709 ms te-1-1-ur02.mtlaurel.nj.panjde.comcast.net [68.8 .192.42] 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. _______________________________________________ Phillip S. Loveless

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RE: amazonaws.com?
by Robert Bonomi 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

> From nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org Tue May 27 12:06:50 2008 > Subject: RE: amazonaws.com? > Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 18:08:16 +0100 > From: <michael.dillon(a)bt.com> > To: <nanog(a)merit.edu> > > > If the address-space owner won't police it's own property, > > there is no reason for the rest of the world to spend the > > time/effort to _selectively_ police it for them. > > Exactly!!! > If an SMTP server operator is not willing to police their server > by implementing a list of approved email partners, then why should > the rest of the Internet have to block outgoing port 25 connections? Because the _privilege_ to send packets to other networks has been, from 'day one', conditional on the presumption that the sending network _is_ a "good neighbor" to the networks receiving their traffic. AS SUCH, they have a firm 'moral responsibility' to *NOT* let _their_ users =originate= traffic that is harmful/offensive/abusive to the receiving/destination network. Or, are you arguing for _no_ "acceptable use" policies for _anything_ on the 'net. That anyone should be free to attempt anything against any server/network, and that it is the sole responsibility of the receiving system to build and maintain the defenses against "whatever" any malefactor might decide to do? *AND* that the party providing that black hat' with connectivity should bear no responsibility for anything that their customer's do? Thinking about it, I realize that asking _you_ (an employee of major telephone company) is a silly question -- you have a biased viewopoint from a government-regulated monopoly > The buck needs to stop right where the problem is and that is > on the SMTP servers that are promiscuously allowing almost any > IP address to open an socket with them and inject email messages. Since one _cannot_ stop the -attempts- at the destination end, and the volume of -attempts- (even though they're blocked at the fence-line) *CAN* be enough to to render 'normal' operations of the receiving network impossible -- "it should be obvious to the meanest intelligence" that the matter *must* be addressed at a point _upstream_ from the destination network. It is universally recognized in the real world that 'toxic waste' issues must be dealt with at the _source_ point -- where that toxic waste is produced. AND that the costs of doing so should fall on those who produce them. There is no reason that the Internet should be any different. The polluter is the party who *should* get hits with the majority of the costs of handling the toxic waste they produce, not the party simply tryng to enjoy the 'quiet satisfaction' of their own property. It is arguable that the Internet has advanced from the 'early pioneer' days of the '80s, to a state that is comparable to the height of the "Robber Baron" era -- where everybody was out for 'me first, and to h*ll with whomever isn't big enough, mean enough, and tough enough to stand up to whatever I want to do to take advantage of them. History shows that such attitudes weren't right _for_the_world_as_a_whole_ then, and societal barriers were put in place to prevent such abuses from re-occuring. > > Amazon _might_ 'get a clue' if enough providers walled off > > the EC2 space, and they found difficulty selling cycles to > > people who couldn't access the machines to set up their > > compute applications. > > Amazon might get a clue and sue companies who take such outrageously > extreme action. *SNICKER* The results of such a suit are _utterly_ predictable. There's established case-law going back a couple of _decades_. For, example, look at any of the (100% _unsuccessful) suits that "Cyber Promotions, Inc." filed against any of the several providers that did exactly that to said plaintiff. There's similar case law in England, the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, and Austrailia -- just to name a few of the places where the matter has been litigated. There are no "rights" on the Internet, only "privileges". Your right to access any part of my network exists only -if- I extend you that privilege. And it _is_ revokable at whim. WITHOUT any need to 'show cause why'. Such a suit as you suggest runs the very real risk that the filing party would be sanctioned as regards "frivolous" filings. > Even if you are being slammed by millions of email > messaged from Amazon address space, that is not justification for > blocking all access to the space. It's a point problem on your > mail server so leave the shotgun alone, and put an ACL blocking > port 25 access to your mail server. FALSE TO FACT. If they generate _enough_ 'unwanted' traffic towards me, that can/will constitute a fairly effective (D)DOS attack -- admittedly, it's only 'slightly' distributed, and it's coming from a single block, so it can be dealt with by some forms of point responses. I _cannot_ deal with volume-based DOS at -my- end of my pipes; it -requires- blocking/limiting the traffic *before* it hits the choke-point that is my external connectivity. When that traffic is coming from a 'well defined' source under a single entity's control, *THAT* -- the source -- is the appropriate place to deal with it. In the alternate case -- a widely distributed set of disparate sources -- other methods (usually involving the immediate "upstreams" -- who presumably have enough bigger resources to be able to 'absorb' a volume of toxic waste that would be fatal to me) are necessary. The fact that such methods are necessary in some circumstances does -not- mean that they are the _preferred_ method in all circumstances. > > I don't believe that horrendously broken email architecture and email > operators with no vision, are sufficient justification for blocking new and > innovative business models on the Internet. 10 months of the year, Amazon > has 10 times as many servers as they need. They want to rent them out > piecemeal and I applaud their innovation. Maybe their model is not perfect > yet, but the solution to that is not to raise a lynch mob. Instead you > should build a better cloud computin> business and beat them that way. I applaud their _intentions_, and deplore their *implementation*. They, like many others, have forgotten that "the Internet" is, in fact, a fairly -unique- institution/facility -- where the 'value' of what _you_ offer is contingent on the 'courtesies' you get for free from the rest of the world. Every internet service provider and service offerer *needs* the 'good will' of its competitors _more_ than it needs any of its own customers. Something like the initial part of the Hippocratic Oath is needed for those who consider Internet-based service offerings -- "First, do no evil." People who fail to control the toxic waste emissions from their property are _not_ "good neighbors", and fail that 'do no evil' test. The same for those who allow toxic waste emissions to flow from their networks over the Internet.

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AT&T Outage?
by Loveless, Phillip S. 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

I'm getting 100% packet loss out of NYC heading to Comcast.. anyone else seeing anything? _______________________________________________ Phillip S. Loveless DRS Power & Control Technologies 21 South Street Danbury, CT 06810

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OLD root server IP addresses through history
by Sean Donelan 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

http://www.donelan.com/dnstimeline.html 1 Jun 1990 NIC.DDN.MIL 26.0.0.73 root service ends (last "original" root server)

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www.nanog.org agenda link broken
by briand＠ca.afilias.info 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

I'm getting agenda.html -> agenda.html/ (which does not exist) -> 404 on the nanog.org website. (Yes, I reported it to nanog-support). In case anyone who can fix it is reading: It'd be nice if the agenda page were to start working again while the meeting is still going on. :-) (I'd comment on when that is, but I can't seem to see the agenda online. ;-)) Brian

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Re: NANOG NYC Event
by Fisher, Shawn 03 Jun '08

03 Jun '08

(Drifting further off topic). Another suggestion to add is the DUMBO area of brooklyn, down under mahattanville overpass, easy to reach from manhattan, take a nice stroll across the brooklyn bridge and your there, lots of cool restaurants. Another bit of history, walk to montague street, yes the montague street mr dylan sings about in tangled up in blue. (some controversy over this) best way to walk is on the promenade along the east river, great views of manhattan. Enjoy -------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: J. Oquendo To: nanog(a)nanog.org Sent: Sun Jun 01 11:54:40 2008 Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event On Sun, 01 Jun 2008, Brant I. Stevens wrote: > > It's in Harlem. BOOOOOOO!!!!! > So is Columbia University! Harlem is in the process of going through a renaissance and has been over the past 10 or more so things have changed for the better. Just avoid going there after certain hours ;) As for the prior Brooklyn comment, Park Slope also has some great eats but the area/scene tends to be sort of artsy. If you want to spend some time sightseeing Brooklyn, the Brooklyn Public Library (main one) Grand Army Plaza is near the Brooklyn Botanic Gardens. Don't forget Coney Island which has also changed in the last decade. Again, watch those hours, NY is a Jeckyll and Hyde city. Nice sometimes, beautiful to visit but can be insanely ugly. The downtown Brooklyn area has some nice eats but I've always preferred the city. In the area of downtown Brooklyn, you'll typically find a bunch of people in local government and lawyers eating as the courts are downtown. For those looking for sweets, don't forget the ever famous (overhyped) Junior's Cheesecake. If you've travelled to Coney Island then one cannot forget Nathan's. There are some really good pubs in the Red Hook section, but alas again, going through certain neighborhoods is not for everyone. You can jump on a Water Taxi there for kicks though. Makes for nice pictures at night. Sightseeing: Jump on a boat at night (booze cruise) $25.00 http://www.nywatertaxi.com/tours/happyhour/ Or just hop on an "On and Off" cruise: http://www.nywatertaxi.com/hop/ $20.00 -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA #579 (FW+VPN v4.1) SGFE #574 (FW+VPN v4.1) CEH/CNDA, CHFI "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." Thomas Jefferson wget -qO - www.infiltrated.net/sig|perl http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x3AC173DB

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NANOG NYC - Lost Macbook Charger
by Christian 03 Jun '08

03 Jun '08

Hi All - I seem to have left my macbook charger behind tonight - most likely in the main conference room 2nd or 3rd row in the back to the right If anyone happened to see it or pick it up, please let me know, thanks! Christian Koch Quality Technology Services

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REMINDER: DNS Operations Meeting, Brooklyn NY 4/5th June
by Keith Mitchell 03 Jun '08

03 Jun '08

This is a reminder that the OARC DNS Operations meeting takes place next Wed 4th PM and Thu 5th AM in Brooklyn NY, USA, immediately after NANOG43. The meeting will be held in Brooklyn College, NY, about 5 miles from the NANOG venue, and is open to all. Meeting information is at: http://public.oarci.net/dns-operations/workshop-2008/ including an agenda for the DNS Operations Meeting now available at: http://public.oarci.net/dns-operations/workshop-2008/agenda If you are planning to attend, please can I ask you to register ASAP at: https://oarc.isc.org/register.php We still have plenty of space available for NANOG attendees as well as OARC members, but need to finalize numbers very soon. Registration is free, and I'd like to thank our sponsor VeriSign for covering meeting costs and making this possible. There is still space for additional presentations, if you have or know of material relevant to DNS Operator or Researchers to present, it would be very welcome. Please let me know ASAP, or feel free to discuss with me at NANOG. Keith Mitchell OARC Programme Manager

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Querstions about COGENT and their services...
by TS Glassey 03 Jun '08

03 Jun '08

So at one time Cogent was one of the lowest performing bandwidth providers. Anyone have any responses to their current operations? regards, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI Chief Scientist/Founder - Certichron Inc TGlassey(a)Wireless-Time.COM 650-796-8178

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