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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

That's a good question. - ferg -- Petri Helenius <pete(a)he.iki.fi> wrote: >What I'm saying is that too many providers do nothing, >regardless of whether it is a managed (read: paid) service, >or not. > So why don't the market economy work and solve the problem? Because there is no "tax" on pollution? Pete -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Of course there are. What I'm saying is that too many providers do nothing, regardless of whether it is a managed (read: paid) service, or not. - ferg -- Petri Helenius <pete(a)he.iki.fi> wrote: >We owe to our customers, and we owe it to ourselves, so let's >just stop finding excise to side-step the issue. > So are you saying that managed security services are not avaialble for paying consumers in USA? Pete -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
by W. Mark Herrick, Jr. 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

At Wed Apr 27 15:04:46 2005, Steve Sobol wrote: [1] Soon to be Big Three, but currently Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, and Adelphia. --- Adelphia is #5, you forgot Cox (#3). -MH W. Mark Herrick, Jr. Director - Data and Network Security - Adelphia Communications 5619 DTC Parkway, Greenwood Village, CO 80111 (O) 303-268-6440 (C) 720-252-5929 (F) 303-268-6687 AIM: AdelphiaSecWMH

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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Is VoIP? Of course not. But, it does brings the dicussion full circle.... - ferg -- "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb(a)cs.columbia.edu> wrote: Is, for example, p2p "abuse"? After all, it uses up bandwidth. -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

None -- when you disconnect [correct, block, whatever] abusive end-systems in your administrative domain. Act locally, think globally. In fact, an ISP in AUS just did this last week... - ferg Owen DeLong <owen(a)delong.com> wrote: How much functionality are we going to destroy before we realize that you can't fix end-node problems in the transit network? -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Thank you, Steve, for a very articulate & rational post. :-) - ferg -- "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol(a)JustThe.net> wrote: [snip] Anyone who thinks AOL is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, please speak up now... [FX: sound of crickets chirping] Yup. That's what I thought. Not having to support people who have tons of viruses saves money, and therefore is a good idea. Making it easier for people to avoid infection is good business, especially when you are talking about AOL's userbase (in terms of sheer numbers and the Internet expertise of the stereotypical AOL member). [snip] -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: Detecting VoIP traffic in ISP network
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

You sure about that? ;-) http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/2005/04/57-evil-43-good.html - ferg -- Petri Helenius <pete(a)he.iki.fi> wrote: Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >Local telco concerned about voip eating into their revenues, and wants >to push through legislation or something? :) > Or somebody who would like to provision adequate bandwidth to accommodate for services on the rise? Not everybody is installed with the evil bit enabled by default :-) Pete -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Detecting VoIP traffic in ISP network
by Joe Shen 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hi, we want to collect statistics in our backbone networks. Is there any good method to this? is there any product for this ? Joe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 嫌邮箱太小？雅虎电邮自助扩容！ http://cn.rd.yahoo.com/mail_cn/tag/10m/*http://cn.mail.yahoo.com/event/10m.…

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cox communications contact please?
by Jonathan M. Slivko 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hello, Anyone from Cox Communications reading this list? If so, please contact me off-list regarding a routing issue on your network. Thank you!

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FW: Port 25 - Blacklash
by Paul Ryan 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

For any educational institutions on this list - what has been the impact on your mail services once your ISP started blocking port 25 - what if any was the backlash - and how difficult was it to provide alternatives ...587,465 etc ... best regards, _____________________________________ Paul Ryan - AS812 yahoo handle - paul_ryan_ismc _____________________________________

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