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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
by dlr＠bungi.com 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

[In the message entitled "Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden" on Apr 29, 17:23, "Steven J. Sobol" writes:] > On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Dave Rand wrote: > > > Dunno what a ton of ISP buy-in is, but the MAPS DUL now contains about > > 190,000,000 entries. We've been working on it very hard for the last year or > > two. Most ISP-level subscribers figure it stops a pretty large percentage of > > the compromised-home-computer spam. > > Well, that's it then: "for the last year or two" - I don't recall a lot of > entries being on the DUL in its original incarnation. (Not for lack of > trying.) I'm sure there was more than one reason that it was not as large as it is today. Regardless, it's here, it's effective, and it is very widely used. --

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RE: Level3 Blip?
by Chris Ranch 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Eric Whitehill wrote: > Anyone know what, if anything happened with Level3 this > morning? (8-10am, CDT) Level3 in LAX is/was fine... Chris

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PAIX Outages
by Jay Patel 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

I have heard rumors that S&D has been having persistent switch problems with their switches at PAIX (Palo Alto), and I was kind of wondering if anyone actually cared?

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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
by Owen DeLong 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

> Thing is, protecting them from themselves and their own stupidity is > also the thing that most everyone else needs, too. > >> Do you really want an internet where everything has to run over ports >> 80 and 443 because those are all that's left that ISPs don't filter? > > They should be filtered, too. For standard bottom-feeder accounts, > *everything* should be filtered and transparent proxied. And the accounts > should be priced so that they pay for their own upkeep. What will cost > money is to turn off the filters selectively for certain accounts, and > people who want that should be in a position to pay for it. > I'm sorry, but, I simply do not share your belief that the educated should be forced to subsidize the ignorant. This belief is at the heart of a number of today's socialogical problems, and, I, for one, would rather not expand its influence. >> How much functionality are we going to destroy before we realize that >> you can't fix end-node problems in the transit network? > > How much of the Internet is going to be destroyed before we realize that > the users are too stupid to be trusted to run their end-nodes, and if the > transit network wants to protect itself from the worst offenses it will > need to provide only managed services and not let these people out of the > corral to being with? Strangely, for all the FUD in the above paragraph, I'm just not buying it. The internet, as near as I can tell, is functioning today at least as well as it ever has in my 20+ years of experience working with it. The vast majority of the end node problems come from one particular software vendor. If that vendor could be held accountable for the problems they have created, things would be much better. The major advanatage of the internet is the ability to deploy new applications and protocols quickly and easily. Transparent proxies, btw, would not prevent most of the harmful stuff available via 443, so, I'm not sure what you think that accomplishes. Malware will quickly adapt to any such filtration at the transport layer. As long as you can get some form of undefined content through the internet, malware will have a way to gain transit. It must be addressed at the end node. Owen

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Business Inaction Could Lead to Cybersecurity Law
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Can't say we didn't see this debate coming. Two articles poppped up this afternoon, on virtually the same topic and at virtually the same time: Business Inaction Could Lead to Cybersecurity Law http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8348598 [and] Do We Need a Sarbanes-Oxley for the Internet? http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=33864 - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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(no subject)
by Steve Sobol 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Irwin Lazar <ilazar(a)burtongroup.com> quoted an article saying "In less than 48 hours many of us will be installing Tiger OS-X and with it a brand new Safari browser that can read and display RSS feeds in a simple easy to understand manner. That upgrade while great for the consumers, could come as a big shocker for those blogs whose feeds are included as part of Safari¹s default starter package. Infact it could be the biggest stress test for RSS thus far!" a) that's OS-X Tiger. :p~~~ b) The Biggest Stress Test For RSS Thus Far? Okay, let's get a handle on things here. RSS is XML over HTTP; nothing more. As long as the HTTP infrastructure can handle the traffic, and as long as the server can handle the big spike in HTTP requests, I see no reason why this should be a big deal, and I see even less reason why the article cites the event as a defining event for RSS. (It's not.) > Some food for thought: Just ate lunch, but thanks anyway. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol(a)JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free" --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Table Analysis 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 30 Apr, 2005 Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 160965 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 93728 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 77542 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 19534 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 16995 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 7966 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2539 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 70 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 4.5 Max AS path length visible: 25 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 13 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 14 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1402418240 Equivalent to 83 /8s, 151 /16s and 52 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 37.8 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 59.4 Percentage of available address space allocated: 63.7 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 75387 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 32925 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 15505 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 30870 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 15608 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2252 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 660 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 342 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.4 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 181904768 Equivalent to 10 /8s, 215 /16s and 165 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 67.5 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 124/7, 126/8, 202/7, 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 87447 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 53329 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 68203 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 25071 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 9901 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3600 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 934 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 4.3 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 21 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 247404544 Equivalent to 14 /8s, 191 /16s and 24 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 70.2 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/6, 68/7, 70/6, 198/7, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 30604 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 21151 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 27631 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 18416 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 6602 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3486 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1104 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 5.1 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 25 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 202156992 Equivalent to 12 /8s, 12 /16s and 171 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 70.9 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 (pre-ERX allocations) 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-35839 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 80/5, 88/8, 188/8, 193/8, 194/7, 212/7 and 217/8 LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 8530 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 3037 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 6932 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 4046 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 612 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 193 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 111 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 5.2 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 21 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 18459136 Equivalent to 1 /8s, 25 /16s and 170 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 55.0 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671, plus ERX transfers LACNIC Address Blocks 200/7 AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 1441 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 706 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 943 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 749 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 100 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 27 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 14 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.6 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 13 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 2224640 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 33 /16s and 242 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 6.6 AfriNIC AS Blocks 36864-37887 & ERX transfers AfriNIC Address Blocks 41/8, 196/8 APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4134 898 5035 183 CHINANET-BACKBONE 1221 773 1192 550 Telstra Pty Ltd 9583 729 53 71 Sify Limited 4766 585 3413 276 Korea Telecom (KIX) 4755 581 245 126 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 7545 492 86 71 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 17676 431 6509 73 Softbank BB Corp. 9443 370 77 76 Primus Telecommunications 9929 361 197 46 China Netcom Corp. 2907 345 1838 319 SINET Japan 17557 315 26 149 Pakistan Telecom 10036 313 28 284 C&M Communication Co. Ltd. 4808 309 251 169 CNCGROUP IP network: China169 7474 299 268 208 SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 9498 287 82 55 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 4802 279 47 164 Wantree Development 2764 258 238 197 AAPT Limited 703 256 279 211 UUNET - Commercial IP service 17974 244 65 14 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 9800 242 386 69 CHINA UNICOM ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 7018 1488 6500 957 AT&T WorldNet Services 174 1177 5607 1008 Cogent Communications 721 1116 21763 314 DLA Systems Automation Center 4323 1108 665 225 Time Warner Telecom 701 1007 8282 857 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 1239 910 2874 659 Sprint 6197 895 381 415 BellSouth Network Solutions, 2386 847 532 628 AT&T Data Communications Serv 18566 801 224 7 Covad Communications 209 653 3460 494 Qwest 20115 609 505 307 Charter Communications 3356 582 10836 437 Level 3 Communications, LLC 3561 541 2365 414 Savvis 27364 539 43 18 Armstrong Cable Services 852 530 1095 393 Telus Advanced Communications 3602 506 122 94 Sprint Canada, Inc. 5668 487 115 25 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 22773 481 1188 21 Cox Communications, Inc. 6198 469 542 202 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7132 443 8782 380 SBC Internet Services RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 702 595 2003 487 UUNET - Commercial IP service 3320 302 2993 236 Deutsche Telekom AG 3301 297 1116 287 TeliaNet Sweden 8220 274 469 268 COLT Telecommunications 680 253 2041 238 DFN-IP service G-WiN 3246 233 491 228 Song Networks 8708 228 251 209 Romania Data Systems S.A. 1257 199 727 175 SWIPnet Swedish IP Network 5515 178 778 128 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 786 176 1794 176 The JANET IP Service 3269 167 1472 73 TELECOM ITALIA 6746 164 47 143 Dynamic Network Technologies, 8866 162 21 12 Bulgarian Telecommunication C 719 159 340 101 LANLINK autonomous system 3300 151 184 84 AUCS Communications Services 5400 144 284 128 BT Ignite European Backbone 25186 139 137 97 France Telecom Transpac's Tra 6830 137 513 27 UPC Distribution Services 2856 129 2305 116 BTnet UK Regional network 9051 128 8 34 INCONET Autonomous System LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 8151 373 598 147 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 16814 266 16 7 NSS, S.A. 11172 223 99 54 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 6147 197 102 20 Telefonica Del Peru 11664 155 19 22 Keytech SA 7303 147 68 21 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 14117 135 8 4 Telefonica del Sur S.A. 6505 130 90 87 Global One Communicaoes Ltda 22047 124 96 6 VTR PUNTO NET S.A. 11556 110 55 6 Cable-Wireless Panama 13999 110 52 9 Mega Cable S.A. de C.V. 18822 105 7 15 TELEFONICA MANQUEHUE 6503 104 146 74 AVANTEL, S.A. 10481 101 40 7 Prima S.A. 19169 89 6 26 Telconet 21826 89 12 18 INTERCABLE 23216 89 24 22 RAMtelecom Telecomunicaciones 11311 85 8 21 Sinectis S.A. 5639 84 12 9 Telecommunications Services o 19632 81 14 7 Metropolis Intercom S.A. AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3741 270 637 225 The Internet Solution 5536 119 15 17 Internet Egypt Network 2018 90 295 87 Tertiary Education Network 20928 90 16 2 Noor Advanced Technologies AS 2905 75 267 69 The Internetworking Company o 8452 64 20 5 TEDATA 24835 60 34 6 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 9129 44 3 3 UUNET Kenya 12455 42 6 4 Jambonet Autonomous system 5713 35 141 28 Telkom SA Ltd 6713 35 54 9 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 8524 25 1 4 AUCEGYPT Autonomous System 15475 24 84 4 Nile Online 16637 22 10 19 Johnnic e-Ventures 10798 19 1 11 Standard Bank of South Africa 7460 18 3 5 LIA Internet Access 2609 17 26 3 Tunisia BackBone AS 12258 17 3 11 Vodacom Internet Company 21280 17 2 3 Swift Global Kenya Ltd.Is an 15808 16 1 1 Communication Solutions Ltd i Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 0 0 65530 * 4323 1108 883 Time Warner Telecom 721 1116 802 DLA Systems Automation Center 18566 801 794 Covad Communications 4134 898 715 CHINANET-BACKBONE 9583 729 658 Sify Limited 27364 539 521 Armstrong Cable Services 6197 895 480 BellSouth Network Solutions, 5668 487 462 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 22773 481 460 Cox Communications, Inc. 4755 581 455 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 7545 492 421 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 3602 506 412 Sprint Canada, Inc. 6467 434 399 E.Spire Communications, Inc. 17676 431 358 Softbank BB Corp. 6140 399 327 ImpSat 9929 361 315 China Netcom Corp. 4766 585 309 Korea Telecom (KIX) 20115 609 302 Charter Communications 9443 370 294 Primus Telecommunications List of Unregistered ASNs (Global) ---------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 30999 UNALLOCATED 196.192.80.0/24 6774 BELGACOM 65004 PRIVATE 200.0.113.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.0.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.1.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.2.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.3.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.4.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.5.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65004 PRIVATE 200.4.6.0/24 28477 Universidad Autonoma 65005 PRIVATE 203.200.197.0/24 4755 Videsh Sanchar Nigam 65444 PRIVATE 212.25.125.0/24 8551 Bezeq International 65529 PRIVATE 216.21.199.0/24 14697 VDot.Net 65529 PRIVATE 216.152.237.0/24 14697 VDot.Net Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 132.0.0.0/10 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 137.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 158.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 172.32.0.0/24 7011 Citizens Utilities 172.122.28.0/24 210 Utah Education Network 192.43.230.0/24 7575 Australian Academic and Rease 192.44.0.0/24 5501 Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.44.0.0/19 702 UUNET - Commercial IP service 192.70.164.0/24 25689 National Research Council of 192.84.205.0/24 719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.119.135.0/24 270 NASA 192.135.50.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.172.0.0/19 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.200.100.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:19 /9:3 /10:8 /11:15 /12:68 /13:153 /14:307 /15:583 /16:8373 /17:2530 /18:4362 /19:10244 /20:11065 /21:8919 /22:12310 /23:13273 /24:87830 /25:280 /26:269 /27:142 /28:75 /29:38 /30:70 /31:0 /32:29 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 18566 785 801 Covad Communications 6197 734 895 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7018 673 1488 AT&T WorldNet Services 2386 601 847 AT&T Data Communications Serv 9583 545 729 Sify Limited 27364 528 539 Armstrong Cable Services 4323 520 1108 Time Warner Telecom 5668 404 487 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 4766 402 585 Korea Telecom (KIX) 1239 382 910 Sprint 702 367 595 UUNET - Commercial IP service 6198 339 469 BellSouth Network Solutions, 6467 313 434 E.Spire Communications, Inc. 10036 313 313 C&M Communication Co. Ltd. 6517 296 319 Yipes Communications, Inc. 7011 296 346 Citizens Utilities 9929 282 361 China Netcom Corp. 11456 276 318 Carolina Online, Inc. 15270 258 278 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae 174 249 1177 Cogent Communications Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:4 8:12 12:1529 13:1 15:9 16:2 17:3 18:4 20:4 24:978 30:2 32:69 33:4 38:109 40:53 44:3 47:2 52:4 55:2 56:3 57:24 58:42 59:28 60:22 61:784 62:595 63:1878 64:2687 65:2066 66:2795 67:563 68:521 69:994 70:94 71:6 72:165 80:555 81:546 82:396 83:244 84:162 85:180 86:6 128:148 129:158 130:84 131:279 132:36 133:1 134:148 135:40 136:191 137:65 138:171 139:55 140:191 141:106 142:142 143:134 144:167 145:33 146:280 147:104 148:296 149:169 150:97 151:65 152:107 153:87 154:5 155:143 156:77 157:92 158:167 159:173 160:77 161:61 162:203 163:83 164:207 165:178 166:155 167:231 168:417 169:140 170:315 171:8 172:2 192:5701 193:3177 194:2341 195:1548 196:652 198:3937 199:3287 200:3851 201:113 202:5528 203:6129 204:3820 205:2015 206:2471 207:2761 208:2060 209:3268 210:1695 211:840 212:1191 213:1284 214:275 215:32 216:3513 217:1139 218:192 219:105 220:373 221:203 222:91 End of report

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RE: Level3 Blip?
by Jason L. Schwab 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Level3 in Ft Worth and Dallas was fine. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Ranch Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:41 AM To: Eric Whitehill; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Level3 Blip? Eric Whitehill wrote: > Anyone know what, if anything happened with Level3 this > morning? (8-10am, CDT) Level3 in LAX is/was fine... Chris

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Level3 Blip?
by Eric Whitehill 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Anyone know what, if anything happened with Level3 this morning? (8-10am, CDT) Nothing on their webpage, but I have some customers jumping up and down screaming at me about a 'global network outage', and I frankly don't want to believe them on a Friday. (i.e., I have them showing me a 'global traffic' graph from some website saying the internet is coming to an end) Thanks, -Eric

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Re: FCC To Require 911 for VoIP
by Peter & Karin Dambier 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

> > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:00:15 +0200 (MEST) > > From: Peter & Karin Dambier <peter(a)peter-dambier.de> > > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > > Subject: Re: FCC To Require 911 for VoIP > > > [ ... ] > > In Germany emergency calls are 110 not 911. > > If they connected me to Tokio police, they dont > > speak german either. > > Hm... little question of interest ;) > > In Holland the number used to be "06-11", but was changed to a > so-called European Emergency number ("112"). Does this number also > work in Germany ? "Back then" the convincing argument was that the > number would work all across Europe from somewhere 2000'ish... ;) > People dont know it. They still dial 110. That used to be police. 112 used to be the firebrigade. Anyway in case of an emergency it does not make a difference. The callcenters are connected. So yes it is true with 112 you are right. > Kind Regards, > JP Velders Cheers, Peter -- Peter und Karin Dambier Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-6252-599091 (O2 Genion) +1-360-226-6583-9738 (INAIC) peter(a)peter-dambier.de www.peter-dambier.de peter-dambier.site.voila.fr

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