September 2004 - Test - lists.nanog.org

RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
by Michel Py 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

> Steven Susbauer wrote: > I hadn't heard they were keeping it off akamai. Me neither. Although I had it for a while I downloaded it from the Microsoft web site again twice today (did not bother to look where it resolved), from home and office, and it came each time in less than 15 minutes for the full network install file. Maybe there's something wrong with the incremental download (which I never use, even for home) but the full download worked full speed for me each and every time I tried. > I have heard they're asking ISP's not to mirror it (and any > other mirrors), and have shut down bittorrent downloads. > That's understandable as they would be blamed if someone > downloaded a compromised version (strange how they didn't > mind Sp1 mirroring...). I can understand whu also, but it's all over eDonkey though and a little bird has emailed me several working bittorents for it (don't ask me even privately). Purely for educational purposes, I connected to eDonkey and started to download it about an hour ago. Currently I am downloading at 73kBytes/sec from 11 simultaneous sources out of 596 possible ones. http://home.pacbell.net/arn-py/photos/sp2.JPG It's not nearly as fast as downloading directly from Microsoft/Akamai though, but don't tell me that it's hard to get. When the download completes I will do a binary comparison with the one I downloaded from M$. Stay tuned. Bottom line: If you have a dial-up modem it does not matter where you get it from as it will take all night anyway, so get it from Microsoft there are less unknowns about the authenticity. If you have broadband, bittorrents gets nuked all the time and eDonkey is not as fast as Akamai, so also get it from Microsoft also. Michel.

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RE: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein)
by Joe Johnson 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

You're staring in on a good point. What happens when this backfires, and they mis-define (or badly define) P2P traffic? What if it is so broad that any traffic routed from one point to another is illegal? What if my dark fiber is against federal law? Who would fight for or against that? Would you shutdown your routers or switches that do P2P links? All this hit here in Illinois when the Super DCMA took effect, and it technically became illegal to use a router in your home (as the Illinois DCMA restricts the ability to hide the source or destination of any electronic communication, kinda like NAT). I certainly didn't pull NAT off my home or my office connections! I think no one has been called down (e.g., no one has challenged) on the law, but I could be arrested at any time for running a basic Netgear router on my broadband at home. Joe Johnson > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of > David A. Ulevitch > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:32 PM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Definition of P2P (was Feinstein) > > > > <quote who="Bora Akyol"> > > > > Sorry, was it possible to search for a file from > millions of storage > > nodes > > in IRC? > > Yes, not that millions of storage nodes were connected... > > Napster was more or less a glorified version of IRC w/DCC, that's why it > was centralized for searching. > > Anyways, we all know the biggest P2P bit movers are the routers... > > -davidu > > ---------------------------------------------------- > David A. Ulevitch - Founder, EveryDNS.Net > http://david.ulevitch.com -- http://everydns.net > ---------------------------------------------------- >

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force10 gear experiences/thoughts/comments
by Paul G 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

folks, looking to continue the week which has been going strong so far with no mention of gmail, verisign and bad analogies, i have these questions i'm hoping someone can chime in on: * any good/bad experiences with force10 gear in general? * thoughts on usage in a relatively simple multi-homed bgp environment? * general commercial experience with their sales, support etc? cheers, paul

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IMP #1
by Peter H Salus 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Tomorrow (Sept. 2) it will be 35 years since IMP #1 was plugged in at Len Kleinrock's lab at UCLA. Happy Birthday! Peter

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Re: IMP #1
by Peter H Salus 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Sorry, Karl. IMP #2 went into Englebart at SRI; IMP #3 to UC-Santa Barbara; IMP #4 to University of Utah. That was it in 1969: a four-note ARPAnet. Peter

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Cyclades KVM/Net
by Chris Allermann 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

If anybody is currently using a Cyclades KVM/Net please contact me off list. Thanks.

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Re: IMP #1
by Gregory Hicks 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch(a)muada.com> > Subject: Re: IMP #1 > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 01:19:36 +0200 > To: Peter H Salus <peter(a)netpedant.com> > > > On 1-sep-04, at 22:40, Peter H Salus wrote: > > > Tomorrow (Sept. 2) it will be 35 years since IMP #1 > > was plugged in at Len Kleinrock's lab at UCLA. > > > Happy Birthday! > > Well, one IMP does not a network make... When did they connect the > second one? Dunno when they connected the second one, but #10 (Univ of Utah) was connected sometime during the academic year in 1970-71... That's when I was hired as a "research assistant" to implement some initial RFCs (like FTP...) Regards, Gregory Hicks > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3400 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks(a)cadence.com I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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RE: Colo & b/w in Australia
by Anshuman Kanwar 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Thanks to all the off-list responses. Really insightful. Short summary : 1. IP back to the US is between $300 and $700 (AU) per month per Mbps. 2. Difficult to peer directly with the 4 big ISPs. Easier (relatively speaking) to find multilaretal peering with the 600-odd smaller ISPs. 3. Equinix Sydney comes highly recommended (used to be Pihana). I will happily mail a digest of all responses to anyone interested in the details or horror stories. Thanks again ! -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Anshuman Kanwar Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:59 AM To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Colo & b/w in Australia My company will be setting up presence in a colo in Australia, hopefully Sydney. Business is content heavy-ish. Looking for advice on : 1. Transit back to the US ( low [1-5Mbps] initial commit ). 2. Biggest players in the local DSL/Cable/Broadband market and peering with them. 3. Choice and quality of Colo facilities. I have quotes from vendors, am looking for any personal experience / horror stories. Thanks !

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Verizon mail contact
by Joe Hamelin 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I'm having some issues getting mail out to Verizon accounts from windermere.com. Could a verizon postmaster please contact me? Thanks joe(a)windermere.com 206-315-4357 -- Joe Hamelin Edmonds, WA, US

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RE: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior
by kwallace＠pcconnection.com 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

2 quick things come to mind- single mode vs multimode, or the signal is too hot and you need attenuators. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:48 PM To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior Hello all, wondering if anyone has seen or experienced this same problem. Currently deploying an OC12 on a campus network and am using Netgear media converters. Set up the lines and had lit fiber to the building I needed it to go to. On one end (main drop) I had light and tested the connectivity which worked fine, on the other side, when I jacked up my Netgear, it flickered. Now, when I went to swap out the fiber, I noticed a full contact between the wires and the converter dropped it out. Meaning if I had the wires not fully plugged it lit, if I plugged them entirely in, it dropped. So... I ran to the other building and tried to replicate it there, and it did the same. I figured bad media converter so I swapped it out, next one worked fine. However, I took the media converter and swapped the funky acting one to yet another building and it worked fine. Anyone care to offer a thought on this? Relevant to my media converter? Bad line, "Murphy's Law", etc? =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x51F9D78D Fingerprint 2A48 BA18 1851 4C99 CA22 0619 DB63 F2F7 51F9 D78D http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x51F9D78D sil @ politrix . org http://www.politrix.org sil @ infiltrated . net http://www.infiltrated.net "How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster?" Joseph McCarthy "America's Retreat from Victory"

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