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RE: Newedge Networks meltdown?
by James Laszko 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

More info on this --- when the circuit crashed, apparently all the reroutes caused an NMS crash and the path databases were all blown up.... James Laszko Pipeline Communications, Inc. james(a)pcipros.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:41 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Newedge Networks meltdown? Seems there is a major problem within NewEdge networks this morning. From the recording on the NOC line it sounds like they lost an internal database and PVC's at many of the switches. Anyone know what happened? Let the speculation begin :-) Mark Radabaugh Amplex

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RE: Newedge Networks meltdown?
by James Laszko 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

>From what I heard, they lost an OC3 from Los Angeles to San Francisco. They apparently are running at such a capacity that when they lose an OC3 their entire west coast network blows up. :) We lost a DS3 IP feed to them in LA for about 8 hours yesterday. Even once connectivity was back up, BGP sessions wouldn't come back to life... Getting ahold of a NOC or IP tech was impossible. James Laszko Pipeline Communications, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:41 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Newedge Networks meltdown? Seems there is a major problem within NewEdge networks this morning. From the recording on the NOC line it sounds like they lost an internal database and PVC's at many of the switches. Anyone know what happened? Let the speculation begin :-) Mark Radabaugh Amplex

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Juniper ATM T3
by Charlie Khanna - NextWeb 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

Hi - I'm new to Juniper. how do you drop a loopback on a T3 interface? I enabled a local loopback by accident - want to take the local loopback down. Thanks! Please reply off-list. Thanks!

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Re: BT internet & register.com
by Martin Hepworth 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

it's customers handled by btinternet that I'm having troubles with.... jdkrouse.co.uk is one example, I can get to www.jdkrouse.co.uk but there seems to be no jdkrouse.co.uk registered and therefor no MX record.. -- Martin Hepworth Snr Systems Administrator Solid State Logic Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300 Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > bt.co.uk / bt.com fail for me.. register.com is fine > > a tcp/80 trace goes like this: > > Tracing the path to www.bt.co.uk (62.7.244.127) on TCP port 80, 30 hops max > 1 v100-r3.thn.telecomplete.net (213.160.96.57) 8.096 ms 3.055 ms 0.329 ms > 2 v100-r4.thn.telecomplete.net (213.160.96.53) 29.590 ms 0.286 ms 0.169 ms > 3 linx3.ukcore.bt.net (195.66.224.11) 0.474 ms 1.092 ms 0.411 ms > 4 core1-pos14-1.ealing.ukcore.bt.net (194.74.65.253) 0.924 ms 0.955 ms > 0.828 ms > 5 core1-pos5-0.bletchley.ukcore.bt.net (195.99.120.210) 2.491 ms 2.348 ms > 2.248 ms > 6 vhsaccess1-pos7-0.bletchley.fixed.bt.net (62.6.197.134) 2.272 ms 2.048 ms > 2.097 ms > 7 ftip002587721-p.vhsaccess1.bletchley.fixed-nte.bt.net (217.32.244.70) 2.470 > ms 2.159 ms 2.216 ms > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 62.172.49.245 (62.172.49.245) 3.993 ms 2.706 ms 2.882 ms > 11 * * * > > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Martin Hepworth wrote: > > >>All >> >>if anyone else having issues routing to .co.uk addresses managed by >>BTinternet???? >> >>I talk to the www.somecompany.co.uk server, but no record seems to exist >>for somecompany.co.uk so email etc is failing.... >> >> >> >>-- >>Martin Hepworth >>Snr Systems Administrator >>Solid State Logic >>Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300 >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >>intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >>are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >>the system manager. >> >>This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept >>for the presence of computer viruses and is believed to be clean. >> >>********************************************************************** >> >> > > ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses and is believed to be clean. **********************************************************************

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BT internet & register.com
by Martin Hepworth 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

All if anyone else having issues routing to .co.uk addresses managed by BTinternet???? I talk to the www.somecompany.co.uk server, but no record seems to exist for somecompany.co.uk so email etc is failing.... -- Martin Hepworth Snr Systems Administrator Solid State Logic Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300 ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses and is believed to be clean. **********************************************************************

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IPv6 addressing schemes
by Pierfrancesco Caci 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

Hello, do you have suggestions, recommendations, "don't do that"s about how to subnet and assign IPv6 address space to a backbone network out of the /32 that we got allocated ? Since we are starting from scratch, I'm especially interested in hearing about things absolutely to avoid. I was thinking of giving a /48 for each pop (plus a couple of /48 for our offices), maybe with some hierarchical structure so that all POPs in the same continent are also in the same /something. Pointers to the right words to put in "justfuckinggoogleit" to return something useful are welcome too ;-) Thanks Pf -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pierfrancesco Caci | Network & System Administrator - INOC-DBA: 6762*PFC p.caci(a)seabone.net | Telecom Italia Sparkle - http://etabeta.noc.seabone.net/ Linux paperino 2.4.20 #1 Mon Dec 2 17:02:14 CET 2002 i686 GNU/Linux

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RE: IPv6 addressing schemes
by matthew.ford＠bt.com 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

On , owner-nanog(a)merit.edu (mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu) wrote: > Hello, > do you have suggestions, recommendations, "don't do that"s > about how to subnet and assign IPv6 address space to a backbone > network out of the /32 that we got allocated ? you might find RFC3531 useful reading --mat

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RE: Status of FCAPS model? Useful? Obsolete?
by Gregory Hicks 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

> From: "Hannigan, Martin" <hannigan(a)verisign.com> > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:54:39 -0500 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] > > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:52 PM > > [...snip...] > > Does the FCAPS model still hold currency among network > > managers/engineers > > today? > > What's FCAPS? FCAPS is the (supposedly) ISO model for network management (See wiki def at http://www.free-definition.com/FCAPS.html) It is an acronym for Fault, Configuration, Accounting, Performance, and Security... Other misc definitions: http://www.nwfusion.com/details/6184.html http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci752173,00.html http://www.iec.org/online/tutorials/ems/topic03.html However, Forrester Research seems to think that FCAPS is obsolete (at a cost of $99 to read other than the first sentence) unless you are a registered Forrester client (I am not). http://www.forrester.com/Research/LegacyIT/Excerpt/0,7208,29439,00.html Other references do not deem it dead just yet. Regards, Gregory Hicks > > > -M< --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3479 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks(a)cadence.com I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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RE: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested
by Hannigan, Martin 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:14 AM > To: Daniel Senie > Cc: Randy Bush; kent crispin; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Important IPv6 Policy Issue -- Your Input Requested > > > > > On 8 Nov 2004, at 22:53, Daniel Senie wrote: > > > Is it SO hard for people to understand that it's possible > today to use > > private address space and public address space in a network WITHOUT > > using NAT? > > I think the hard thing to understand is why you would bother > using 1918 > space if you didn't have to. Yes. > > > In today's networks, printers do NOT need global addresses. > > If they did have globally-unique addresses, I bet they would > still work > just fine, though. > They would of course. I'm not sure why the proposal wouldn't block off some space to cover "unforseen" circumstances and leave it at that. IIRC, 1918 came into existence because of clashes with stock SunOS and Solaris and growth of the internet - for the most part. Much like the need for example.com to be maintained by IANA so publications can have their domain.tld examples. I agree with Leo about fees and RIR responsibility though. There's no reason *not to maintain the space in a reasonable fashion and that costs money. When money is spent, justifications are required. I have no problem justifying use of endless space regardless of the end. ;) I understand why people want to make it free. The reality is that it won't work that way again. Let's not even go down the "free the network" path. I fear another RMS song. YMMV. -M<

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Status of FCAPS model? Useful? Obsolete?
by jm 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Someone at Forrester research wrote an article in 2003 that said FCAPS was an obsolete model because it was conceived during a time when mainframes were in use. I haven't read the article but the premise of it seemed a bit overboard to me. Does the FCAPS model still hold currency among network managers/engineers today? Do the functional categories it uses make sense of the management activities of modern networks? Is there a set of activities that in and of itself warrants further categorization? For example, should project management be added to the model since most well run networks emanate from adherence to generally accepted project management processes? We can all think of examples where a piece of network technology does not map neatly into the OSI model. But because enough of what goes on in networking does map neatly to that model, it is still useful to refer to it. I believe the same is true with FCAPS. I see too that companies like Cisco still refer to it in some of their Networkers presentations. As I understand it, the purpose of the model is to outline the overarching categories of activities necessary for the successful management of a sizeable network. The ultimate impact of failing to manage these areas properly is loss of productivity, revenue or opportunity. Outside the realm of profitability, the FCAPS model is a teaching device whose purpose, like all models, is to explain phenomena which otherwise would be a confusing, jumbled mess. Does the study of FCAPS profit a person if they intend to manage well a network? Is there some better model worthy of study? If so, why? Sean had some comments on the shortcomings of FCAPS for carrier networks awhile back. Any fresh comments are welcome. Thanks, JM

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