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Problems receiving emails from china...
by Lou Laczo 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

Hi all, I did a quick search of the archives and was unable to find any previous discussions relevant to this topic. One of our clients has been having problems receiving some legitmate emails from business associates in China. The client's mailserver is running qmail. In almost all of the cases, the failing email has at least one attachment and is larger than what might be considered "normal". Our client's mailserver receives part of the message and then the smtp connection hangs and eventyally times out. Many times, the sending mail server will attempt to send the message again and again before finally giving up. The failing messages can be successfully delivered to hotmail and/or yahoo accounts. I've observed this problem while it was occuring and there are multiple smtp connections open between the clients server and the sender's server. The connections are in various states, some established, some in fin_wait, etc. I've tried tracerouting to the sender's server and in every case I've observed the trace times are terrible. I've looked at various aspects of the mail server's configuration and all looks well there. I've even tried having the senders email to a totally different mailserver on our network and get similar failures. It's staring to look like this is just a simple case of bad network connectivity from the sender. My guess is that the big free email systems have relay servers all over the world, so the sender in China would be talking to a server much closer to home. This would explain why the mail can be successfully delivered to hotmail, yahoo, etc. Has anyone ever experienced a problem similar to this? Thanks in advance for your attention and any responses/help. --Lou. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Support - INetU Managed Hosting - http://www.INetU.net support(a)INetU.net - Phone: (610) 266-7441

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BTInternet Contact Please?
by mripguru＠speakeasy.net 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

Hello, Are there any BTInternet Mail/Routing Engineers around on the list? If so, please contact me off-list regarding some networking issues. Thanks!

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Fibre Management Best Practices?
by Tiddle 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Hi all, I am looking a 'best practices' document on fibre management. Short of that, something that outlines/highlights the benefits of going with a fully patched rather than direct spliced optical network design. Ie a document that shows: device <-> patch cable <-> patch panel <-> splice tray <-> splice tray <-> patch panel <-> patch cable <-> device Is better than device <-> pig tail <-> splice tray <-> splice tray <-> pig tail <-> device For the sake of troubleshooting, flexability, management. It's a turf war, I need some ammo. More specific details available off list Cheers

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NANOG Call for Presentations
by Susan Harris 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NANOG 33 GENERAL SESSION TUTORIALS CASE STUDIES OPERATIONS RESEARCH POSTER SESSION January 30 - February 1, 2005 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The North American Network Operators' Group (NANOG) will hold its 33rd meeting January 30 - February 1, 2005, in Las Vegas, Nevada. The meeting will be hosted by UltraDNS; registration begins December 1. NANOG conferences provide a forum for the coordination and dissemination of technical information related to backbone/enterprise networking technologies and operational practices. Meetings are held three times each year, and include two days of short presentations, plus afternoon/evening tutorial sessions and BoFs. The meetings are informal, with an emphasis on relevance to current backbone engineering practices. NANOG conferences draw over 500 participants, mainly consisting of engineering staff from national service providers, and members of the research and education community. For more information about NANOG meetings, schedules, and logistics, see: http://www.nanog.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NANOG invites presentations on backbone engineering, coordination, and research topics. Presentations should highlight issues relating to technology already deployed or soon to be deployed in core Internet backbones and exchange points. Abstracts should include a concise summary of findings to be presented in the talk. Network operators are invited to present case studies detailing their experiences with network planning and design, protocol implementation, provisioning, useful tools, traffic engineering, problems solved, DoS scenarios and mitigation techniques, and troubleshooting, including automation, approaches, and techniques, Vendors are encouraged to work with operators to present deployment experiences with the vendor's products and interoperabilty. Researchers are invited to present short (10-minute) summaries of their work for operator feedback. Topics include routing, network performance, statistical measurement and analysis, and protocol development and implementation. Studies presented may be works in progress. Researchers from academia, government, and industry are encouraged to present. Presentation topics of special interest at NANOG 33 include: - Implementation experience with Ethernet, e.g., Transparent LAN service (TLS), Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS), Ethernet private line, and Virtual Private Wire Service (VPWS). - Large-scale wireless deployment - Last-mile technologies, including Broadband Over Power Lines (BPL)/Power Line Distribution (PLD) - Security attacks/mitigation, tools, and analysis - Enterprise network security, management, and route control - Operator case studies on: - Integration with optical control planes, voice, and video - VOIP architectures and deployment - Building packet-switched networks (e.g., IP or MPLS) that can carry TDM, Layer 2 IP services, as well as emerging services, such as VPLS - Implementation experience with 10/100Gig E - Experience with active DoS retaliation methods, e.g., reverse port scanning - OSS architectures and implementations - SSM deployment experience - Circuit2Packet (C2P) experience with legacy services - State of Ops/Admin/Maintenance tools for IP and MPLS networks Proposals are also invited for tutorial sessions. Previous topics have included: - Troubleshooting BGP - Configuring IPsec - Options for Blackhole and Discard Routing - BGP/MPLS Layer 3 VPNs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HOW TO PRESENT Submit an abstract and draft slides for the presentation in email to nanog-support(a)nanog.org. See http://www.nanog.org/presentations.html for submission guidelines. The deadline for abstracts and slides is December 15, 2004. While the majority of speaking slots will be filled by December 15, a limited number of slots may be available after that date for topics that are exceptionally timely, important, or critical to the operations of the Internet. Submissions will be reviewed by the NANOG Program Committee, and presenters will be notified of acceptance by December 24. Final drafts of presentation slides are due by January 19, and final versions January 26. NANOG also welcomes suggestions/recommendations for tutorials, panels, and other presentation topics. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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NANOG33 in Las Vegas
by Susan Harris 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

We're pleased to announce that the next NANOG meeting will be held January 30 - February 1, 2005, in Las Vegas, Nevada. Our *fourth-time* (and much appreciated) host is Rodney Joffe of UltraDNS. Rodney also hosted NANOG 11, 22, and 27. Registration begins December 1, and you'll find a hotel announcement soon at www.nanog.org. Hope you can join us!

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Re: who gets a /32 [Re: IPV6 renumbering painless?]
by Miquel van Smoorenburg 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

In article <cistron.1100797360.3557.15.camel(a)firenze.zurich.ibm.com>, Jeroen Massar <jeroen(a)unfix.org> wrote: >On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 16:40 +0000, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: >> That depends on the jurisdiction. In many parts of the world, >> downloading is NOT illegal. But making copyrighted files available >> for download is illegal (without the proper autorization, ofcourse). > >Thus... say a newsserver full of illegal stuff is quite illegal? >Or that other nice example 'proxy servers', they store the data and then >relay it. A router could be said to 'store' the data also (in registers >for like a zillionth microsecond ;) and In general, store-and-forward and caching are allowed and not illegal. Yet. Mike.

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DMCA/Chilling Effects
by Tom (UnitedLayer) 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

(taking something from the EFF Thread earlier and making it more relevant) I'm sure most of the network operators here have at some time or another dealt with a DMCA, Subpoena or a C&D order. That being said, has having dealt with those issues lessened your interest in dealing with "free speech" type organizations? Has it affected your network policies at all? Is it something that affects the business side more than the operational side of your networks? Does anyone participate in the Chilling Effects Clearinghouse? (www.chillingeffects.org) Please respond in private and I'll post a summary in a few days if there's enough interest. --- Tom Sparks UnitedLayer Office: 415-294-4111 AS23342

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Re: EFF whitepaper
by Fred Heutte 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

I doubt that the participants in this discussion who are getting so huffy about the EFF position are ready to tolerate a situation where unknown third parties can arbitrarily block any email they send or receive, without informing them, regardless of content. Think about how that maps to the present situation. Fred

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Stupid "where to find" question.
by Dan Mahoney, System Admin 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Hey all, I know it's slightly off topic but... If anyone can contact me off-list with suggestions as to where to find rackmount shelves (front and rear mount) for a specific brand of cabinet (chatsworth) for "relatively inexpensive" I'd appreciate it. -Dan Mahoney -- "I'm sorry, that is bull$@%^, but they did not say 'Exsqueeze Me' A Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far Far Away." -Richard Bozzello, on Jar Jar Binks --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------

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anycast roots
by Randy Bush 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

which roots are anycast? c f i j k? randy

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