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Cluebat needed within Yahoo territory
by Paul Wouters 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

Can someone with clue and batting space around Yahoo Groups contact me offlist, or by phone please. (and while at it, smack the infinite voicemail system that's currently in use) Thanks, Paul Wouters Xtended Internet (mobile:+31-6-2240-6355) -- Broerdijk 27 Postbus 170 Tel: 31-24-360 39 19 6523 GM Nijmegen 6500 AD Nijmegen Fax: 31-24-360 19 99 The Netherlands The Netherlands info(a)xtdnet.nl

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RE: OT: XO Salestrolls
by John Curran 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 bdragon(a)gweep.net wrote: > I'm now (at least) the second person to be spammed by Scott Davis > with XO, who is mining the nanog list looking for marks. Sorry, not monitoring nanog in real time... I just got off the phone with Scott Davis, and explained that this is inappropriate for public mailing lists in general and nanog in particular. My apologies to folks here. /John

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Dealing with ARIN.. my experiences & tips
by Andrea Abrahamsen 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

Just passing on my experience with ARIN and a few tips I've found to make my life easier. I used to handle allocations for a large cable provider, and was requesting along the lines of 1-2 /17s every three months. Flame away if you wish, but this is what worked for me. 1) Keep records of your IP allocations and assignments (and not just with SWIP, you need utilization numbers). I know this is a royal pain in the rear end, and it's not always easy to do with customers. But if you don't know how your customers are using their assigned space, you really can't effectively plan for their future growth. They should have to show you their projected space usage before receiving an initial assignment. They should have to justify 80% usage to you before receiving another assignment. In practice, I realize this isn't always easy. But keeping records is not just for ARIN's benefit, it is for yours as well. I had a database that pulled the statistics per subnet. When application time came, I put it into the pretty format that ARIN wanted (POP - block - total IPs - used IPs - unused IPs - utilization % etc.) and sent it in with my request. Yes, it made the size of my application huge with two dozen POPs and scores of blocks each. Yes, it took some time to compile, even though I was pulling from a database. But this is the information ARIN looks at in excruciating detail. Scrimp on this, and they will squawk. Guaranteed. 2) If you commit a 'violation', ie. one of your blocks was less than the required utilization before assigning another, explain. If you are able to justify, even if you simply say 'I messed up', for the most part they will accept that. I have made mistakes in allocations, and have not been denied additional space because of them. I just had to be very sure I explained clearly (and up-front in the initial request !) what the mistake was and what I was doing to fix it. In most cases, it was simply waiting until the first allocation filled, then using the second. 3) You have to request every three months or so. I'm sorry Jeff M., but there's really no way around this, no matter how inefficient it may seem. Their policy is to give allocations sufficient for three months' worth of usage, based on past growth. If your growth increases greatly, you may need to request after two months (yes, I've done it, and I'm sure many others have too). If you're in the midst of renumbering, and utilization is increasing, you may have to request again after two months, or even less. It takes time to make up the requests. It's even more frustrating having to do it after two months instead of three. But in the case of increased utilization, you may just have demonstrated a need for a larger IP block. Suffer a bit, and you will eventually reap the rewards. Jeff, you've demonstrated that you are doing the Right Thing. Your utilization is good and your practices seem well in-line with best practices. ARIN will recognize this. Perhaps you don't think they do right now, but if you were not in-line, they wouldn't have given you any allocation at all. 4) DO NOT TRY TO BEND THEIR RULES. This should actually be Rule #1. I made sure I put this in big, bold letters in the document I gave to my successor. ARIN's rules are there and, unlike gravity in The Matrix, are not meant to be broken. You can ask until your blue in the face for six months' worth of IP space, or whatever else you like, but you won't get it. Unfortunately this is one of those things that we all just have to accept. They may cut you a little bit of slack to help recover from a mistake, but that's it. Their rules are their rules. If you want to protest them, the person who is doing your allocation isn't the right person to protest to. 5) See Rule #4. If they give you an allocation that you don't agree with, and they won't budge, accept it. Jeff M., I see your point that going back to ARIN after renumbering half of the network is a tad on the ridiculous side. Unfortunately there are times when you just have to take your lumps and do what they want you to do. I find it unlikely that they will deny you the second half of an allocation once you've renumbered into the first half, demonstrated good block usage percentage, and promised your firstborn that you'll give the original allocation back. :) 6) What Jon L. said was true. It does take a bit of practice in dealing with ARIN and giving them exactly the information they need, in the format they want it. Your first few dealings with them may result in multiple clarification requests. Take it as a learning experience, and be sure to include the information they ask for in the next request. 7) And finally.. ARIN are nice people. Really ! They're not big red devils with flaming pitchforks just waiting to stab you in the hiney at every chance they get. Work with them and they will work with you. I actually started to *enjoy* my tri-montly interactions with them after a while, if you can believe that. :) Andrea Abrahamsen Software Engineer, Intelligent Network Services Cisco Systems

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RE: XO Salestrolls (fwd)
by bdragon＠gweep.net 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: RE: XO Salestrolls > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:18:10 -0400 > Message-ID: <D0D7D7B6442E9949AF07D308F0E310F6011245A4(a)ILCHICVEXC006.mail.inthosts.net> > From: "Ryburn, Justin" <justin.ryburn(a)xo.com> > To: <bdragon(a)gweep.net> > > I am not in sales but rather in operations. I have escalated this issue > to my management to try and get this cleaned up. I do not have access > to post on NANOG so if you want to let people know they can email me and > I will see what I can do to get this stopped for everyone but especially > for anyone who emails me. > > I apologize for this annoyance. Thanks. > > Justin Ryburn > Tier II Router Support > XO Communications > Phone: (314) 787-7876 > E-mail: justin.ryburn(a)xo.com

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RE: XO Salestrolls
by McBurnett, Jim 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

TO any XO types here... If you act on this one problem--- Take a look see here: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=xo.com&-nothing=Search http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=xo.net&-nothing=Search There are more than 30 entries of Known SPAM and at least 15 of which has been identified as having SPAM business models.... Anyway.. J >-----Original Message----- >From: Jared Mauch [mailto:jared@puck.Nether.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:07 PM >To: Rick Ernst >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: XO Salestrolls > > > > Perhaps people should post an as-path regex that will filter out >this spam? > > I believe I got one also from someone at XO and i did get >a response from abuse@ saying they were educating the >person but .. <conspiracy-theory-mode-on> that could just be cover >to prevent them from being blacklisted</conspiracy-theory-mode> > > - jared > >On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 12:54:51PM -0700, Rick Ernst wrote: >> >> >> My abuse complaint to XO/Concentric got a auto-responder and >that's it. >> >> It would be nice to know when somebody actually feels the clue-bat. >> >> Of course, I feel so special knowing that my single-box >personal server/domain >> could use a DS-3. >> >> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 bdragon(a)gweep.net wrote: >> >> :> >> :>I'm now (at least) the second person to be spammed by Scott Davis >> :>with XO, who is mining the nanog list looking for marks. >> :> >> :>I'ld recommend that those of you who do business with XO ask to >> :>not having anything to do with Scott Davis. Hopefully losing >> :>a few accounts will reeducate him into more ethical business >> :>practices. >> :> > >-- >Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared(a)puck.nether.net >clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements >are only mine. >

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RE: OT: XO Salestrolls
by Jim Deleskie 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

I'm feeling left out now :) -----Original Message----- From: Dominic J. Eidson [mailto:sauron@the-infinite.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:52 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: OT: XO Salestrolls On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 bdragon(a)gweep.net wrote: > I'm now (at least) the second person to be spammed by Scott Davis > with XO, who is mining the nanog list looking for marks. Make that 3. -- Dominic J. Eidson "Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!" - Gimli ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- http://www.the-infinite.org/ http://www.the-infinite.org/~dominic/

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OT: XO Salestrolls
by bdragon＠gweep.net 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

I'm now (at least) the second person to be spammed by Scott Davis with XO, who is mining the nanog list looking for marks. I'ld recommend that those of you who do business with XO ask to not having anything to do with Scott Davis. Hopefully losing a few accounts will reeducate him into more ethical business practices.

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RE: OT: XO Salestrolls
by Temkin, David 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

Four. -----Original Message----- From: Dominic J. Eidson [mailto:sauron@the-infinite.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:52 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: OT: XO Salestrolls On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 bdragon(a)gweep.net wrote: > I'm now (at least) the second person to be spammed by Scott Davis with > XO, who is mining the nanog list looking for marks. Make that 3. -- Dominic J. Eidson "Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!" - Gimli ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- http://www.the-infinite.org/ http://www.the-infinite.org/~dominic/ IMPORTANT:The information contained in this email and/or its attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by reply and immediately delete this message and all its attachments. Any review, use, reproduction, disclosure or dissemination of this message or any attachment by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. Neither this message nor any attachment is intended as or should be construed as an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any security or other financial instrument. Neither the sender, his or her employer nor any of their respective affiliates makes any warranties as to the completeness or accuracy of any of the information contained herein or that this message or any of its attachments is free of viruses.

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60 Hudson
by Simon Lockhart 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

Does anyone on-list know lots about 60 Hudson? I currently have my NY dark fiber ring going through the building (via the Level3 facility on the 18th floor), and now need to light the building. I will need to link up with the TelX suite on the 9th floor. Speaking to Level3, they're saying that the Fibernet suite on the 1st floor is the best place for interconnects to other suites in the building. Can anyone confirm this? Presumably Fibernet would be the best place for 1 cabinet of colo, given this information - anyone have a good sales contact with them? Thanks in advance, Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1628 407720 (BBC ext 37720) Technology Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1628 407701 (BBC ext 37701) BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart(a)bbc.co.uk BBC Technology, Maiden House, Vanwall Road, Maidenhead. SL6 4UB. UK

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RE: Fiber cut?
by McBurnett, Jim 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

A small ISP at one of our small cities is claiming a fiber cut took them offline.. I can't buy it that it goes from ATlanta to San Fran in 1 hop.... Trace to www.advi.net 10 12.122.12.50 0ms 10ms 10ms TTL: 0 (ggr1-p380.attga.ip.att.net probable bogus rDNS: No DNS) 11 192.205.32.126 10ms 10ms 0ms TTL: 0 (att-gw.sf.uu.net probable bogus rDNS: 12 Request timed out We are moving a mail server and got caught... >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike (meuon) Harrison [mailto:meuon@highertech.net] >Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 5:46 PM >To: McBurnett, Jim >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: Fiber cut? > > >On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, McBurnett, Jim wrote: > >> >> Does anyone know about a supposed fiber cut on the AT&T side >to UU.net in Hotlanta?? > >We route out of Atlanta on UU.net.. looks good here: > >HOST LOSS RCVD SENT >BEST AVG >shredder-1a.higherbandwidth.net 0% 10 10 >0.17 0.23 >ru-1.higherbandwidth.net 0% 10 10 >0.51 0.57 >500.Serial3-11.GW7.ATL1.ALTER.NET 0% 10 10 >2.77 3.34 >174.at-1-0-0.XL3.ATL1.ALTER.NET 0% 10 10 >3.05 3.77 >0.so-7-0-0.XL1.ATL5.ALTER.NET 0% 10 10 >3.52 6.02 >POS6-0.BR2.ATL5.ALTER.NET 0% 10 10 >3.37 4.83 >204.255.174.150 0% 10 10 >4.22 4.97 >gbr4-p50.attga.ip.att.net 0% 10 10 >4.26 5.38 >gbr4-p30.wswdc.ip.att.net 0% 10 10 >18.59 20.46 >gbr3-p60.wswdc.ip.att.net 0% 10 10 >17.83 19.09 >gbr3-p80.sl9mo.ip.att.net 0% 10 10 >29.09 30.14 >gbr1-p10.bgtmo.ip.att.net 0% 10 10 >29.56 31.59 >12.122.248.254 0% 10 10 >30.02 32.23 >192.168.254.42 0% 10 10 >30.30 31.12 >204.127.166.135 0% 10 10 >30.11 32.80 > > > >

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