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Re: Allegiance telecom boston colo down?
by Dave Israel 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

At the risk of starting a debate that will go nowhere and annoy the readership... On 3/28/2003 at 14:44:00 -0500, Sean Donelan said: > > I guess we'll have to wait for Allegiance customers "leak" the > information. The leaks may not be as accurate as if the information > came directly from Allegiance. Other providers such as AT&T, Earthlink, > MFN, RCN have a different philosophy about providing information > concerning their network status. Not all NOC's are the same. I seriously doubt that, if a 12-year-old from Nebraska called the NOC at AT&T and asked for a list of all their network failures in the past two years, the NOC person would feel obliged to spend their time on it. Furthermore, if that NOC tech could be helping to fix the problem, and I were a customer, I'd be upset that he is wasting time chatting on the phone with a non-customer. NOCs have limited resources. More importantly, they often don't know what's wrong until after it was fixed, and sharing what may be a wrong assessment with people who have no vested interest in the problem is asking for a lot more trouble, especially since they probably will never know or care what the real solution was. -Dave

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Re: Curing the BIND pain
by Crist J. Clark 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

Nathan J. Mehl wrote: > In the immortal words of Michael.Dillon(a)radianz.com (Michael.Dillon(a)radianz.com) > > > > I suggest that an appropriate technique would be for the BIND server to > > originate traffic on it's local subnet that would look suspicious and > > possibly trigger intrusion alarms. > > Good lord. > > I'm a little stuck for a proper analogy for this. A car that > "helpfully" starts emitting noxious smoke to let you know that it's > time for a tune-up? A car whose breaks start to squeal annoyingly telling you they're about to wear out? > An answering > machine that replaces the outgoing message with a stream of > profanities to alert callers that the incoming message tape is full? Cash register tape that turns an ugly pink or green towards the end of the roll? Cell phones, pagers, and fifty zillion other electronic devices that beep or buzz endlessly when the battery starts to run low? Not that I agree that making BIND self-destruct or send off alarms is a particularly workable idea. Even if someone comes up with a beautiful system for this, it's probably all moot. How many vendors of binary distributions aren't just going to rip the code back out (BIND being freely modifiable open source)? Doing so reduces the number of confused and panicked calls from clients when BIND does whatever weird things it is programmed to, and also would reduce the pressure for instant patches whenever BIND self-destructs. What vendor in their right mind would leave it in? -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark(a)alum.mit.edu | cjclark(a)jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc(a)freebsd.org

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RE: is this true or... ?
by Ejay Hire 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

Methinks what they are aiming for is trying to prevent spammers from hiding their origin using open relays/open proxies/stealthware. With the proper application of clue, maybe we'll have something to wield against the spammers. -----Original Message----- From: Tomas Daniska [mailto:tomas@tronet.com] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:09 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: is this true or... ? http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8595 -- Tomas Daniska systems engineer Tronet Computer Networks Plynarenska 5, 829 75 Bratislava, Slovakia tel: +421 2 58224111, fax: +421 2 58224199 A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the fuse by blowing first.

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Re: Allegiance telecom boston colo down?
by Dave Israel 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

On 3/28/2003 at 14:02:36 -0500, Sean Donelan said: > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Dave Israel wrote: > > I do. But I won't discuss it in this forum. > > > > My best advice in general, is when you have a backbone problem with > > Allegiance, call the NOCC (866 696 2794, options 3,1,4). They've got > > the most data on that, and if you're a customer of Allegiance, they'll > > gladly share. > > And if you're not a customer... ...then if you have a good reason to ask, they'll help you, and if not, they won't. This should not surprise anybody; that's how NOCCs are.

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Re: Allegiance telecom boston colo down?
by Dave Israel 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

I do. But I won't discuss it in this forum. My best advice in general, is when you have a backbone problem with Allegiance, call the NOCC (866 696 2794, options 3,1,4). They've got the most data on that, and if you're a customer of Allegiance, they'll gladly share. -Dave On 3/28/2003 at 13:42:26 -0500, Eric Gauthier said: > > Heya, > > We've got a business unit hosted in Allegiance Telecom's boston colo > that's been down for a bit and all they can get out of Allegiance is > "um... we're not sure what's going on". I'm guessing that boston.com, > which is also down, is affected by this... > > If you go to the Allegiance Telecom looking glass > (http://nitrous.digex.net/mae/mae-lg.html) and enter an IP from their > colo you get a "network not in table" so my guess is that the colo > is FUBAR... > > Anyone know whats up? > > Eric :) -- Dave Israel Senior Manager, Backbone Eng Allegiance Telecom

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69/8 revisited
by jlewis＠lewis.org 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

I've setup a little web site with the results of my ping sweep to attempt to locate as many networks as possible with outdated bogon filters. http://69box.atlantic.net/ If you can't reach that, fix your network...or use the alternative non-69/8 hostname http://not69box.atlantic.net/ Number of IP's currently known to have 69/8 filter issues: 683 Number of /24 networks's currently known to have 69/8 filter issues: 511 Check out the site and see if you recognize any of the IPs. You can test/remove IPs if they've become reachable, or test/add IPs if they have 69/8 filter issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis *jlewis(a)lewis.org*| I route System Administrator | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________

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The backhoes are coming out of hibernation (Boston/New York)
by Sean Donelan 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

Spring must be at hand in the North East, the fiber cuts are starting their seasonal peak. Apparently Worldcom, and other carriers, have a transport outage between Boston and New York City.

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Allegiance telecom boston colo down?
by Eric Gauthier 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

Heya, We've got a business unit hosted in Allegiance Telecom's boston colo that's been down for a bit and all they can get out of Allegiance is "um... we're not sure what's going on". I'm guessing that boston.com, which is also down, is affected by this... If you go to the Allegiance Telecom looking glass (http://nitrous.digex.net/mae/mae-lg.html) and enter an IP from their colo you get a "network not in table" so my guess is that the colo is FUBAR... Anyone know whats up? Eric :)

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RE: FW: About your using mailer
by Kris Foster 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

> In the beginning, there was The Word. > And The Word was Content-type: text/plain My bad.. Kris

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RE: FW: About your using mailer
by Kris Foster 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

> Is anyone else getting this junk regarding the list? And can > we put a stop > to it? Got the same message. I think Miyoko's fight should be with the vendors, not the poor people who are subjected to the whims of an IS department. Kris > -----Original Message----- > From: Miyoko Shioda [mailto:wjxv4y@k3.dion.ne.jp] > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:30 AM > To: Mike Damm > Subject: Re: About your using mailer > > > dear Mike Damm, > > Sorry, I am talking about NANOG mailing list. > Please please change your MUA in mainling list... > > Regards, > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:28:17 -0800 > Mike Damm <MikeD(a)irwinresearch.com> wrote: > > > What mailing list are you talking about? > > > > --- > > Michael Damm, MIS Department, Irwin Research & Development > > V: 509.457.5080 x298 F: 509.577.0301 E: miked(a)irwinresearch.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Miyoko Shioda [mailto:wjxv4y@k3.dion.ne.jp] > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:16 PM > > To: MikeD(a)irwinresearch.com > > Subject: About your using mailer > > > > > > Hi, > > I read your messages in mailing list. > > > > Your using mailer(MUA) does not seems to support In-Reply-To nor > References > > field. These field is defined in RFC-2822. > > If these field does not be outputted when you reply, tree > construction > > will be break every time you post the messages to mailing list. > > It is inconvenient for the others. > > > > Please please change your mailer for the public good, > > at least when you post to mailing list. > > > > Today almost mailers support these field(at least In-Reply-To) > > except for the following mailers. > > > > MSN hotmail > > Exchange Server <= 2000 (Exchange Server 2003 will support > In-Reply-To.) > > Lotus Notes < 6.0 > > MIME-Tools > > AOL mailer > > dtmail > > Novell GroupWise > > foxmail > > > > regards, > > > > -- > > Miyoko Shioda > > wjxv4y(a)k3.dion.ne.jp > > > > -- > Miyoko Shioda <wjxv4y(a)k3.dion.ne.jp> > > >

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