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Server mirroring
by Priyantha 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

As a part of business continuity plan we are going to have all our servers replicated in a different place to which a fiber connection is available. (Currently its running at 100Mb) Servers are running mostly RH Linux 7.2 to 8.x and couple of Win 2000 servers too. I'm looking for a non-expensive software solution for this task. Your help is appreciated, Priyantha

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

This report has been generated at Fri Nov 28 21:47:42 2003 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 21-11-03 127651 90188 22-11-03 127773 90239 23-11-03 127847 90169 24-11-03 127690 90217 25-11-03 127812 90287 26-11-03 128059 90209 27-11-03 128195 90302 28-11-03 128347 90324 AS Summary 16158 Number of ASes in routing system 6459 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1406 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS701 : ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 73583872 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS568 : SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 28Nov03 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 128292 90306 37986 29.6% All ASes AS6197 762 264 498 65.4% BATI-ATL BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS4323 675 204 471 69.8% TW-COMM Time Warner Communications, Inc. AS701 1406 973 433 30.8% ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS7018 1373 949 424 30.9% ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services AS7843 523 123 400 76.5% ADELPHIA-AS Adelphia Corp. AS6198 597 251 346 58.0% BATI-MIA BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS209 860 538 322 37.4% ASN-QWEST Qwest AS22909 317 11 306 96.5% DNEO-OSP1 Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS1239 956 671 285 29.8% SPRINTLINK Sprint AS22773 313 29 284 90.7% CCINET-2 Cox Communications Inc. Atlanta AS4355 382 101 281 73.6% ERMS-EARTHLNK EARTHLINK, INC AS27364 354 73 281 79.4% ACS-INTERNET Armstrong Cable Services AS1221 958 681 277 28.9% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS4134 400 124 276 69.0% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS6347 331 85 246 74.3% DIAMOND SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS17676 281 37 244 86.8% GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp. AS25844 243 16 227 93.4% SKADDEN1 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS6140 344 127 217 63.1% IMPSAT-USA ImpSat AS14654 205 2 203 99.0% WAYPORT Wayport AS9583 267 73 194 72.7% SATYAMNET-AS Satyam Infoway Ltd., AS11305 229 38 191 83.4% INTERLAND-NET1 Interland Incorporated AS2386 402 218 184 45.8% INS-AS AT&T Data Communications Services AS4519 194 13 181 93.3% MAAS Maas Communications AS6327 203 27 176 86.7% SHAW Shaw Communications Inc. AS2048 250 86 164 65.6% LANET-1 State of Louisiana AS20115 572 408 164 28.7% CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC Charter Communications AS9929 198 38 160 80.8% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS15270 202 48 154 76.2% AS-PAETEC-NET PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS6478 190 39 151 79.5% ATT-INTERNET3 AT&T WorldNet Services AS6517 237 87 150 63.3% YIPESCOM Yipes Communications, Inc. Total 14224 6334 7890 55.5% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 ANDARA-HSI Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 61.12.32.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 61.12.34.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 64.30.64.0/19 AS14900 USLEC-CORP-1 USLEC Corp. 66.41.192.0/18 AS13367 CCCH-AS3 Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc 69.8.128.0/17 AS7260 NORLIGHT Norlight Telecommunications 132.0.0.0/10 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 137.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 138.136.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 140.143.2.0/24 AS1221 ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd 140.240.0.0/13 AS1 GNTY-1 Genuity 158.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 192.83.16.0/20 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.32.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.64.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.96.0/22 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.100.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.71.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.136.79.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.153.144.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.172.0.0/19 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.188.208.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALIN-AS Palin Aquisitions Inc. 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.80.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-CSTLNET-AS Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.192.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.240.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.98.8.0/21 AS3701 NERONET Oregon Joint Graduate Schools of Engineering 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY-NET CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GROUPTLCOM GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MBNET-AS Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ALLST-15290 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS University of British Columbia 199.79.32.0/20 AS3701 NERONET Oregon Joint Graduate Schools of Engineering 199.84.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.128.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.16.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.80.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.0.180.0/24 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.4.252.0/22 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.4.255.0/24 AS4799 UNSPECIFIED Ji Tong Communications Co., Ltd. 202.70.240.0/20 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.74.32.0/19 AS9315 CWN-AS-AP Chomanan WorldNet Co., Ltd. 202.122.76.0/24 AS17553 TIMELESS-AP System Integration provider 202.136.254.0/23 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.136.254.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.136.255.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.165.0.0/19 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.165.0.0/20 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.165.16.0/20 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.176.64.0/19 AS7470 ASIAINFO-AS-AP ASIA INFONET Co.,Ltd. 202.179.64.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.65.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.66.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.67.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.68.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 APNIC-AS-2-BLOCK Asia Pacific Network Information Centre 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.76.128.0/24 AS9729 IS-AP iAdvantage Limited 203.76.224.0/24 AS9549 COMDEK-ISP-AS-AP Comdek ISP 203.86.2.0/23 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 203.129.126.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 203.129.127.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 203.132.95.0/24 AS9787 CONCEPT-AU-AP Concept Networks 203.132.97.0/24 AS7652 VIANET-AS-AP Vianet Communications Pty Ltd 203.132.102.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.103.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.106.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.107.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.108.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.109.0/24 AS10141 CALOUNDRA-AS-AP Caloundra.net 203.132.110.0/24 AS7598 ALPHALINK-AS-AP Alphalink Pty Limited - Melbourne, Australia 203.132.111.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.112.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.118.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.122.0/24 AS4802 WANTREE-AS-AP Wantree Development 203.132.123.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.124.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.125.0/24 AS4817 TECHEX1-AS-AP Techex Primary Netblock 203.135.99.0/24 AS2687 IBM-MMD-AS IBM 204.19.224.0/19 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 204.89.225.0/24 AS2495 KANREN Kansas Research and Education Network 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS10588 ICSNET Intelligent Computer Solutions, Inc 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.41.32.0/19 AS14824 NEWSOUTH NewSouth Communications Corp. 206.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 206.82.64.0/18 AS7029 ALLTELNET Alltel Information Services, Inc. 206.108.34.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.108.35.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ALLST-15290 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 207.47.39.0/24 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 207.162.192.0/19 AS4589 EASYNET Easynet Group Plc 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 208.104.103.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK Sprint 209.169.219.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.169.223.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRITON Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.222.137.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 209.240.96.0/19 AS10815 KCNET KCnet, Inc. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM SISCOM, Inc 209.251.64.0/19 AS10266 NETWAY-AS MDC, Inc. 210.213.0.0/19 AS6453 TELEGLOBE-AS Teleglobe Inc 216.18.224.0/21 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.224.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.228.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 218.211.0.0/16 AS4788 TMNET-AS-AP TMnet, Telekom Malaysia Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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Re: Server mirroring
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

>rsync is your best option on linux >On windows? Well, install cygwin (or at least a barebones version of >cygwin) and see http://www.gaztronics.net/rsync.php That URL seems to be dead, for me at least. There is a short FAQ on how to install rsync on NT or W2K at this URL: http://linux.wku.edu/~brent/rsyncntdoc.html and it has working links to the pieces of Cygwin and MS Resource Kit that are required. --Michael Dillon

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Have worm? University upgrades network
by Sean Donelan 27 Nov '03

27 Nov '03

After sending out e-mails and notifying students, Dartmouth College has started to disconnect virus-infected computers. http://www.thedartmouth.com/article.php?aid=2003112001020 The service denials come after Computing Services sent out a campus-wide e-mail earlier this month announcing that over 2000 student computers were infected with the Welchia worm virus which was causing severe lag on the campus network. That e-mail instructed students in the steps required to diagnose and, if necessary, treat their computers for the virus. "Should the network's performance continue to suffer, we will be forced to deny access to machines that are abusing, however unintentionally, the network," the Nov. 6 e-mail warned. "We do not want to turn off your network access but we will to protect the integrity of the network." On the other hand, California State-Long Beach is planning to upgrade its network to deal with the worms. http://www.csulb.edu/~d49er/archives/2003/fall/news/volLIVno49-dorm.shtml Stan Olin, director of housing, said they are doing the best they can to get the problem fixed. Housing and network staff has been working around the clock to resolve the problem. Seven dorm residents are included in this team. They aid in tracking down infected computers and are responsible for ensuring students have access to the network. More than 200 infected computers have been identified. Housing notified students through voicemail and other means that anti-virus software is available in the hall offices. Depending on the hardware the student has, the software takes less than 30 minutes to remove the worms. Elson Browne, assistant director of housing, is finding that students are "not taking advantage of free resources." On the contrary, a freshman who requested anonymity said she tried installing the software but found it incompatible with Microsoft Windows XP. She said she now considers the situation "a lost cause." [...] The entire campus is in the process of switching to a new network, however, the dormitories were not included in the first phase of the process. The housing department said it was planning to upgrade sooner or later but due to the urgency, it is pushing for a complete upgrade by next semester.

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peer routing issue between SBC and SPRINT in DFW??
by John Brown (CV) 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

seems there is an issue with SPRINT and SBC out of DFW SBC NS's are unreachable... Sprint says there is no problem with their gw-39 router. SBC NOC/NRC refused to assist because we aren't their customer. SBC's customer (BN Railroad) hasn't had any luck thru the normal customer support channels seems to be a return path issue from the router pasted sl-gw39, which according to SPRINT is the SBC router.... sbcbackbone.net is unreachable as well anyone around from SBC with enable to check routing?? mucho thanks traceroute to 151.164.1.1 (151.164.1.1), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 rt01 (216.223.236.225) 1.049 ms 0.992 ms 0.899 ms 2 as10480.fa0-0-0-v-2.co.rt01.ixnm.net (63.170.28.137) 1.237 ms 1.024 ms 0.898 ms 3 sl-gw37-fw-0-0-TS7.sprintlink.net (160.81.60.57) 19.983 ms 16.596 ms 16.625 ms 4 sl-bb22-fw-4-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.169) 30.996 ms 16.957 ms 16.749 ms 5 sl-bb26-fw-11-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.30) 17.068 ms 17.299 ms 18.230 ms 6 sl-gw39-fw-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.61) 17.254 ms 16.786 ms 17.967 ms 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * traceroute to 170.49.49.66 (170.49.49.66), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 rt01 (216.223.236.225) 1.049 ms 0.992 ms 0.899 ms 2 as10480.fa0-0-0-v-2.co.rt01.ixnm.net (63.170.28.137) 1.237 ms 1.024 ms 0.898 ms 3 sl-gw37-fw-0-0-TS7.sprintlink.net (160.81.60.57) 19.983 ms 16.596 ms 16.625 ms 4 sl-bb22-fw-4-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.169) 30.996 ms 16.957 ms 16.749 ms 5 sl-bb26-fw-11-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.30) 17.068 ms 17.299 ms 18.230 ms 6 sl-gw39-fw-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.11.61) 17.254 ms 16.786 ms 17.967 ms 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * *

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SBC BGP Eng pls contact
by John Brown (CV) 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Need to talk to a BGP person at SBC, issue with routes between SPRINT and SBC in DFW area. called number listed at puck, person that answered doesn't have access to those routers, would have somone call back, its been 4+ hours... multiple providers can't reach 170.49/16 from NM please reply off list. thank you

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Cox.Net Contact
by Andy Ellifson 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

If there is a Cox.Net contact on this list please contact me off-list. I have an issue where I cannot get to my MCI IPs from Cox's backbone. Thanks! Andy Ellifson

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RE: Above.net problems ??
by Arjan Hulsebos 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

> Is there any relationship between this "europeanwide" > above.net failure and the huge amount of > DNS requests to lockup.zonelabs.com which failed that every > ISP (at least in France) seem to > have encountered last night ? > The zonelabs.com zone is hosted on Above.net NS servers. The Netherlands were hit as well. We saw a massive flood of queries for lockup.zonelabs.com, too. It performed a nice DoS on our client name servers.... :-( You'd think that an unresponsive nameserver would be flagged dead, and such information be cached. Does anyone know whether that's actually done in Bind 8.3.4? Or perhaps not by default? Cheers, Arjan H Not even a clue-by-four would work with this clown. ________________________________ dr. Arjan Hulsebos Security Engineer Essent Kabelcom, @Home Benelux department 1042 AX Amsterdam Email: arjanh(a)corp.home.nl Tel: +31 20 88 55 407 Mob: +31 6 21 548 777

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Re: looking for a review of traffic shapers
by Timo Janhunen 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Check out http://www.ellacoya.com/products/products.html. They are tried and true. Their deep packet inspection to pick up all known P2P for example works extremely well. Regards, Timo At 01:35 PM 26/11/2003 -0500, Peter Murray wrote: >(caveat: I am not in sales - I'm a very happy PacketShaper user.) > >Traffic shaping comes in many shapes and forms. Many places who need to do >traffic shaping need to do it down to the application level, so those apps >that are of a mission-critical nature get through, while those that can >wait are made to wait. > >Trouble with the 'diskless' units is a) they can't distinguish enough >different applications to really be useful, b) they don't have control >over the incoming traffic, and c) they can't provide you with a historical >trend analysis (or event analysis) to correlate with issues that may be >happening on the network. Most make use of queueing, which can only >provide some control for outbound traffic, and at worst can lead to >further retransmissions and thus further congestion. > >The CMU study between the Allot and the Packeteer devices was not well >done, and I would encourage you to look further at each of these devices - >especially since a full year has passed since those reports, and that the >testing didn't even look at the rate-limiting features of them, which is >what would make all the difference. > >Certainly, the shaping devices out there are not inexpensive, but a box >that can shape 10MBit of traffic, broken out to over 500 different >classes, a PacketShaper 2500 can be had for well under US$10000. > >The ROI on these devices is proven, and depending on the scenario, it can >be months, not years before the device has paid for itself. In many >situations, it is the *only* solution to keeping control of >ever-increasing bandwidth demands in non-ISP (just move packets as fast as >possible) environments. > >I would be more than happy to discuss my experiences with these units. > >-Peter > >Peter Murray >Pittsburgh, PA > >On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, William Caban wrote: > > > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 13:38, andrew(a)vivalibre.com wrote: > > > Note: delurk. > > > > > > Some of the commercial traffic shaping devices reviewed here are tens of > > > thousands of dollars. For a smaller ISP (i.e. less than a DS3 of > > > aggregate upstream bandwidth), that kind of expense doesn't make sense-- > > > but the need to control bandwidth consumption is still an issue. > > > >[snip] > > > > > > Is anyone on the NANOG list aware of a disk-less Linux solution? One > might > > > imagine a Knoppix-like bootable CD image (perhaps CD-RW, so config files > > > could be updated) that would turn an inexpensive Linux box into an > > > effective traffic shaping device, using tools like CBQinit, MRTG/RRDTOOL, > > > and a Webmin-like admin interface. The closest thing to this I've seen is > > > ETINC's BWMGR, but that's a closed-source solution and is still somewhat > > > expensive. > > > > > > -Andrew White

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Re: [Re: [RE: MPLS billing model]]
by joshua sahala 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Alex Rubenstein <alex(a)nac.net> wrote: > > > > we are still in the testing phases, but i believe that we are > > planning to use a port+traffic billing scheme, if/when we go live > > and start trying to sell it > > do you mean: > > $port + $traffic_through_port > > or: > > $port + $traffic_over_vpn_tunnel > > > I ask this, because, it's very possible that the customer facing port > could be a VLAN trunk, and that there would be a hub-and-spoke config > to multiple leaf ports; other variations exist, as well. > good question...i don't think that we had considered that. the expectation was that most of the ports would be serial. guess that is another wrench i can throw at the project ;) thanks /joshua > > -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex(a)nac.net, latency, Al Reuben -- > -- Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net -- > > "Walk with me through the Universe, And along the way see how all of us are Connected. Feast the eyes of your Soul, On the Love that abounds. In all places at once, seemingly endless, Like your own existence." - Stephen Hawking -

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