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RE: Qwest (fwd)
by Martin, Christian 14 Apr '01

14 Apr '01

Most of my sesions have been live for over 150 days. I suppose I am lucky. Are you suggesting bad linecard = sucky network? chris > >> purchase connectivity from them, even if their network didn't suck. > > > >What makes you think this? Perhaps you can share your > experiences that > >would substantiate this claim. I have rarely seen cross > country RTTs exceed > >70 msec (right now it's 58msec from nyc to sfo) and don't > recall the last > >outage they've sustained on an edge router, let alone core > disruption. I > > wdc-edge-03.inet.qwest.net > > Last friday night for about 4 or 5 hours. Flapping T-1's. > Traced to bad line card. I know. I hung off of it. > > > > ============================================================== > ============ > Eric Germann Inacom > Info Systems > egermann(a)inacomlima.com Lima, OH 45801 > Ph: > 419 331 9050 > ICQ: 41927048 Fax: > 603 825 5893 > > "It is so easy to miss pretty trivial solutions to problems deemed > complicated. The goal of a scientist is to find an > interesting problem, > and live off it for a while. The goal of an engineer is to evade > interesting problems :)" -- Vadim Antonov <avg(a)kotovnik.com> on NANOG >

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RE: Qwest (fwd)
by Eric Germann 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

At 08:51 PM 4/13/01 -0400, Martin, Christian wrote: >> purchase connectivity from them, even if their network didn't suck. > >What makes you think this? Perhaps you can share your experiences that >would substantiate this claim. I have rarely seen cross country RTTs exceed >70 msec (right now it's 58msec from nyc to sfo) and don't recall the last >outage they've sustained on an edge router, let alone core disruption. I wdc-edge-03.inet.qwest.net Last friday night for about 4 or 5 hours. Flapping T-1's. Traced to bad line card. I know. I hung off of it. ========================================================================== Eric Germann Inacom Info Systems egermann(a)inacomlima.com Lima, OH 45801 Ph: 419 331 9050 ICQ: 41927048 Fax: 603 825 5893 "It is so easy to miss pretty trivial solutions to problems deemed complicated. The goal of a scientist is to find an interesting problem, and live off it for a while. The goal of an engineer is to evade interesting problems :)" -- Vadim Antonov <avg(a)kotovnik.com> on NANOG

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RE: Qwest (fwd)
by Martin, Christian 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

> purchase connectivity from them, even if their network didn't suck. What makes you think this? Perhaps you can share your experiences that would substantiate this claim. I have rarely seen cross country RTTs exceed 70 msec (right now it's 58msec from nyc to sfo) and don't recall the last outage they've sustained on an edge router, let alone core disruption. I also hear people discuss their lack of peering, however recent Skitter plots show them sitting pretty close to the origin. Regards, chris

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Re: Qwest (fwd)
by Danny McPherson 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

While I agree that the initial message from the Qwest folks was excessively terse, and the final follow-on response at best unprofessional, it certainly wasn't without provocation, IMO.. Likewise, I'd really rather not see a new trend develop here where folks whop some sales droid and then whine to NANOG when they're whopped back. Leave it on inet-access, it doesn't belong here (nor do lots of other things, of course)... As well, having first hand knowledge, I would contend that a number of their networking people indeed "have a quarter of a clue between them", especially when speaking relatively. -danny

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Re: Qwest (fwd)
by Richard A. Steenbergen 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 04:35:15PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 03:16:16PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > > One of the guys here just got a call from Qwest asking the exact same > > thing. (Phone-spam this time, instead..). > > Am I the only person here who doesn't think it's very intrusive of > someone to send an email asking "who is your network provider?" I would go with highly unprofessional and very unlikely to motivate me to purchase connectivity from them, even if their network didn't suck. I know engineers and sales people have never gotten along, but perhaps there is a list better suited for clownstamping them and the companies who hire them? Perhaps the entire thread regarding unprofessional comments could go there as well, and to the appropriate HR departments? -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)

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RE: Qwest (fwd)
by Roeland Meyer 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

> We are seriously considering creating a voicemail box here for "Mr > Devnull".... <humor> His name is spelt "Nemo Devnul" and he is a manager in our "customer complaints" department. He gets paid in pizza slices and virtual beer. -- N E M O A N O N D E V N U L Manager, Customer Service Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. http://www.mhsc.net mailto: nadevnul(a)mhsc.net </humor>

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Re: (MIDWEST) Fiber Cut This morning approx 8:15 EST
by Kyle C. Bacon 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

Splicing is in progress, we have received an ETR of 1:00 CST from Broadwing. K J Bacher <jb(a)jbacher.c To: nanog(a)merit.edu om> cc: "Kyle C. Bacon" <kbacon(a)fnsi.net> Sent by: Subject: Re: (MIDWEST) Fiber Cut This morning approx 8:15 EST owner-nanog@m erit.edu 04/13/2001 10:16 AM At 10:00 AM 4/13/01 -0400, you wrote: >Yup, it's Friday the 13th, > > Have several circuits down between Ohio and Illinois. >We can confirm Broadwing long haul network is effected. > > Anyone else have any information? Broadwing queue hold >times are excessive, thought someone else might have been able to >get an ETR. Per C&W, catastrophic [MFS] fiber cut affecting OC48s in Indiana. C&W master ticket 413-51998. No ETR at this time.

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Federal funding for critical infrastrucure
by Howard C. Berkowitz 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

Might be of interest to some: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/frwebgate.access.gpo.…

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Outage notifications
by Paul Timmins 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

Beyond getting on every single ISP's customer notification lists, is there a list that is dedicated to network outages? Or a website? It would be really helpful in my day job :-) Thanks! -Paul

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(MIDWEST) Fiber Cut This morning approx 8:15 EST
by Kyle C. Bacon 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

Yup, it's Friday the 13th, Have several circuits down between Ohio and Illinois. We can confirm Broadwing long haul network is effected. Anyone else have any information? Broadwing queue hold times are excessive, thought someone else might have been able to get an ETR. K

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