September 2000 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Is there an electrician in the house?
by Phil Reese 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

My company is finishing up the build out of a number of ccTLD DNS and web server data centers in collocation space. We've run into the following issue that I'd be interested in this group's opinion. Our data centers will have a number of Linux servers running on 110v power, no problem there, just plug into the power strips provided. Then we'll have a couple IBM S80 servers and two trays of disks that both require 208v 30amp and an L6 plug. Now the max rated power of all the devices is well within the two 208/30 circuits we've ordered. The difficulty is that the collocation company provides a single L6 receptacle per circuit deployed. We'd planned on putting one S80 server and one tray of disks on each of the two circuits. HOWEVER, each box has its own cord and plug, i.e., two plugs. APC, and I'm sure others, make essentially a 208/30amp outlet strip (http://www.apc.com/products/accessories/wiring_ccpdu.cfm , cost between $185-$200) that we'd planned to use. As we finish up the build out, the collocation company has informed us that the device, such as the APC, are not allowed. Their only suggested solution is to purchase as many circuits as we have plugs to connect. Of course each additional 30 amp circuit will cost us just over $1k/month! All totaled, we'd need an additional 5 circuits between our east and west coast locations, or just over $5k/mo, $60k/yr, versus $1000 one time fee to APC! By definition, collocation companies need to be paranoid about everything. However, when I asked them what is the issue with the APC device they just invoked 'this could cause an overload and potential fire hazard' as their technical position on why this passive, UL listed, device isn't allowed. Can anyone explain their side of the story, citing a bit more technologically based explanation? Phil Reese

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White House Net security summit
by Sean Donelan 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

I guess if you snooze you loose. For anyone who didn't know from MSNBC "A group of key high-tech executives agreed at a White House meeting earlier today to move forward on a plan to set minimum security standards for big companies that connect to the Internet, MSNBC.com has learned. The meeting was attended by Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Boeing, the National Security Agency and U.S. Secretary of Commerce Norm Mineta."

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by David Lesher 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

I just called the Ramada & the Days Inn, both in Silver Spring, MD. Both have rooms during NANOG in the under $100 range. They are about 7-10 minutes walking from the Silver Spring Metro, and it's about 20 minutes ride to Metro Center. You might take a cab while hauling luggage. I'm sure there are lots of other places if you're willing to brave the Metro. [That's a joke -- unlike oh NYC, the WMATA Metrorail is clean, carpeted, and full of folks of all incomes, unwilling to risk the horrors of DC traffic.] -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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RE: Root zone change -- d.gtld-servers.net
by rdobbins＠netmore.net 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

What part of 'TLD' don't you understand? He's talking about a change to the root zone of the entire DNS for the three most widely-used TLDs. That's information any responsible operator would like to be apprised of in advance of the referenced change. ----------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins(a)netmore.net> // 818.535.5024 voice Effective zone serial number 2000091901, f.root-servers.net (192.5.5.241) will no longer be in the list as authoritative for com, net, org. In its place d.gtld-servers.net (208.206.240.5) will be added as an authoritative server for com, net, org. The new set of servers authoritative for these TLDs will be: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.0.4 G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.3.101 E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 207.200.81.69 F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.17.208.67 D.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 208.206.240.5 J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.0.21 K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 195.8.99.11 A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.3.38 M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 210.176.152.18 C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 205.188.185.18 I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 192.36.144.133 B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 203.181.106.5 -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:00 PM To: rdobbins(a)netmore.net Cc: jhawk(a)bbnplanet.com; bverd(a)netsol.com; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Root zone change -- d.gtld-servers.net > In this particular case, I can see where information about root nameserver > changes might be of use in figuring out broken name resolution due to > caching issues, etc. indeed! but these date are not about root nameservers. randy

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by Robert M. Enger 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

There is also the Marriot located near the Grosvenor Metro Station. 5151 Pooks Hill Road Bethesda, MD 20814 USA Phone: 301-897-9400 Fax: 301-897-0192 At 05:20 PM 9/21/00 -0400, Michael Nelson wrote: >Speaking of Bethesda, there is a Hyatt right at the Bethesda metro stop -- >don't know what it charges though. > >-mike > >On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Robert M. Enger wrote: > > You might wish to look at getting rooms in > > Bethesda, Md. It is closer-in than Rockville, > > and has more restaurants than some western states. ====================== Robert M. Enger enger(a)seka.erols.net Work: +1.703.208.5555 Cell: +1.202.256.2222 PGP Key ID: 0x5A815C1F

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by David Lesher 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

Unnamed Administration sources reported that RJ Atkinson said: > > >You might take a cab while hauling luggage. > > Luggage is permitted anytime on Metro and is > pretty commonly done since National Airport and > Union Station are both on Metro. I wouldn't > suggest trying it during rush hours though. I meant from Silver Spring Metro to the hotel. I take luggage on the Metro regularly. It's a PITA during rush hour, but doable. Key to the Metro are local manners: stay to the right on the escalators, and when the train stop at your platform, stand to the side of the doors to allow people to exit. Also note: there are three airports in the region. Washington National (DCA) has direct Metro service. BWI has weekday MARC-train service <http://www.mtamaryland.com/> with a free shuttle bus to same. Dulles (IAD) is way off to the west, with limited public transport, but there are limo-buses to the Metro & downntown. There's no rational reason to rent a car and risk your sanity driving. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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No comment
by Sean Donelan 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

I know its, not just telco's who do this. But I've got to wonder, does the PPL's PR department really think no one will notice a 1300 megawatt plant vanishing from the grid? Was the reason so bad, its better for people to speculate reasons instead of saying what happened. "Industry sources said the outage was at the giant Colstrip power plant in Montana, where units 1, 2 and 3, totalling about 1,300 megawatts, tripped off line for unknown reasons. PPL Corp, Colstrip's owner, declined to comment on the plant's status for competitive reasons."

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Re: o/t: Re: Root zone change -- d.gtld-servers.net
by Michael Shields 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

In article <39C9F363.2CCD6243(a)netmore.net>, Roland Dobbins <rdobbins(a)netmore.net> wrote: > It will be interesting to learn how their P.R. department respond to > questions concerning your penchant for injecting political commentary > into an unmistakably -technical- forum, all the while in your official > guise as an officer of said company. Did he say he was speaking for Verio? I must have missed that. -- Shields.

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RE: o/t: Re: Root zone change -- d.gtld-servers.net
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

> > What's wrong with being U.S.-centric? > > jingism kinda went out of fashion shortly after the us's > defeat in viet nam > > randy In order to be defeated, one must first have been in a fight. We weren't there, just ask Casper, it never happened. We did send a bunch of cops though. [if anyone doesn't recognise the preceding as a joke, then they aren't old enough]

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by David Charlap 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

"Robert M. Enger" wrote: > > You might wish to look at getting rooms in Bethesda, Md. It is > closer-in than Rockville, and has more restaurants than some western > states. Rosslyn (the part of Arlington VA closest to DC) is also very nice. There are many good pubs and restaurants there. And several hotels are close to Metro stops. You're also about a 1 mile walk from Georgetown, if night-life interests you. (I would recommend not driving into Georgetown - traffic is a real nightmare there.) -- David

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