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RE: exponential route prefix growth, was: Re: The Cidr Report
by Sean Donelan 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

On Fri, 22 September 2000, "Aaron Moreau-Cook" wrote: > up getting only one /24. Then another upstream provider, quite large, forced > another /24 upon us. When we stated we didn't need/want it, they said they > could take it back but it was not standard practice; all DS3 customers get a > /24. Anyway... Think of all the other companies out there who get treated > like this? Yes, it does seem like ARIN doesn't treat everyone the same. I had the same experience. At the same time ARIN is telling me have to to divide my customers up into /27's or ARIN won't give me any more space, a very large upstream provider was making me take a minimum of a /24 for every connection whether I needed it or not. But I couldn't aggregate the /24 into anything.

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RE: exponential route prefix growth, was: Re: The Cidr Report
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

> -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Brown [mailto:tcb@ga.prestige.net] > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 1:32 PM > > > What 'threshold' has triggered this sudden event, with routes going > Which sucks, because the better choice for them is to ignore > the political > concerns and do the technically responsible thing, which is > bring their > content or resources, whatever they are, closer to points in > the Internet > where they are most commonly used. There's really very > little to be gained > by announcing their own space as opposed to having a > collocation provider > with good connectivity providing them blocks out of their space. au contrare. There's LOTs to be gained. > They just come from a larger enterprise mentality where they > work very hard > to make sure all the resources are centralized and controlled > by one or two > people. The key word is "control" and the right form of responsibility is "fiscal", not "technical".

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Renaissance Hotel full? (fwd)
by Carol Wadsworth 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

Simon, Your travel agent was unfortunately misinformed by a reservation agent. As you may know, this has been a reoccurring problem. I just confirmed the following information with each hotel noted below: --------------- Renaissance Washington D.C. Hotel Since so many people have had difficulty making room reservations at the Renaissance (the NANOG meeting site), the hotel has extended the reservation cut-off date to September 28, and has the following rooms still available in the NANOG room block: Saturday, October 21 (7 rooms) Sunday, October 22 (11 rooms) Saturday, October 23 (10 rooms) Please call the hotel directly to make/change a reservation: 202-898-9000. --------------- Marriott at Metro Center (Renaissance overflow hotel) The NANOG block of rooms at the Marriott Metro Center on Saturday night, October 21, is now booked. The hotel is currently sold out at the discounted rate. --------------- Another alternative for lodging close by that currently has some open space for $179 night: Courtyard by Marriott (two blocks from the Renaissance) 900 "F" Street Washington, D.C. Telephone: 202-638-4600 Thanks for letting me know about your problem. I would have acted on it sooner, but I was out of the office yesterday. I hope you have better luck this time trying to make a room reservation. Carol Wadsworth Merit Network, Inc. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:37:44 +0100 From: Simon Lockhart <simonl(a)rd.bbc.co.uk> To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Renaissance Hotel full? Hi, The Renaissance Hotel have told our travel department that they have no further rooms available in the NANOG room block, and the only remaining rooms are $279/night. Can anyone confirm this, before I book with the Marriott, who apparently do have availability for the whole week. Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart(a)bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/ ---------- End Forwarded Message ----------

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FYI- IPv6 Meeting in DC Oct 19-20
by Charles Brownstein 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

The IPv6 Forum and the Cross-Industry Working Team (XIWT) are hosting a meeting in downtown DC just before NANOG. info/registration: http://www.xiwt.org/XIWT-IPv6/meetingsite.html agenda so far includes: -Greg Papadopoulos, Sun -Robert Kahn, CNRI - Sue Horn, VP and Director of Raleigh Lab, IBM - Christian Huitema, Microsoft -Thomas Narten, IBM - Home Networking and IPv6 - Brian Haberman, Nortel - Michael Thomas, Cisco - Russ Mundy, Network Associates, Inc. - Charlie Perkins, Nokia - Bill Lenharth, UNH InterOperability Lab - Fred ter Haar, Ericsson - Leo Cameron, Nortel - Mark Silverberg, Compaq - Bob Fink, ESNet - Alan Halachmi, North Carolina Network Initiative - Michael Brig, US Navy - Joao da Silva, European Commission - Steven Hayes, 3rd Generation Partnership Program - Joe Barrett, Nokia - Takeshi Natsuno, NTT DoCoMo - André Cormier, Viagénie Inc - Richard Draves, Microsoft - Warren Matthews, SLAC - Steve Blumenthal, Genuity - Greg Miller, WorldCom - Steve Sim, BT - Orv Cooper, Zama

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Re: o/t: Re: Root zone change -- d.gtld-servers.net
by Steven M. Bellovin 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

In message <39C9F363.2CCD6243(a)netmore.net>, Roland Dobbins writes: > >The point I was trying to make - and which I'm sure that you understood, >but simply chose to ignore - is that it's not a Bad Thing to be somewhat >U.S.-centric when discussing technical issues on the North American >Network Operator's Group list. > >*Technical issues*. I could care less about your juvenile political >beliefs, nor, I suspect, do the vast majority of subscribers to this >list. It's sad that you've so much trouble distinguishing between the >two. > >Your personal animus and general obnoxiousness are surprising, given >your c.v. and and the position of responsibility you hold within Verio. >It will be interesting to learn how their P.R. department respond to >questions concerning your penchant for injecting political commentary >into an unmistakably -technical- forum, all the while in your official >guise as an officer of said company. Since Verio is being purchased by NTT, I suspect that upper management really cares about international issues, and welcomes senior folks who understand that the net is not just North American... --Steve Bellovin

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Hotels
by Robert Cannon 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

If you are looking for hotels, other areas two look are Rossyln, VA - there is a Marriot and a few other hotels there. On the Orange and Blue line one stop across the river from Wash DC North Arlington, VA along the Orange line there are a few hotels near the Ballston stop. Easy metro access into town and a few good restaurants like Mongolian Grill, Memphis BBQ, Vietnamese... Crystal City (Arlington VA near the Airport). This is where the Pentagon crowd lives. Lots of hotels, on the blue line, near the airport, and near some good restaurants and pubs. -B ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

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RE: Renaissance Hotel full?
by David Lesher 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

Forwarded message: > > Silver Spring is not the best place to stay if you are interested in > any type of food or entertainment. I would strongly suggest Bethesda > or someplace in the city itself. Silver Spring can be a rather "risky" > place at times. I'm not recommending Silver Spring as a replacement for Adams-Morgan.[1] But there are rooms available, it's straightforward to get to, and you can take an awful lot of cabs (if need be...) for the ($270-79) difference in room rates. Bethesda is a far more trendy, and pricy, neighborhood. I guess it depends on if you view the hotel as a place to sleep, or a base of operations. There are lots of places to eat around DC that have Metro access, and are not near hotels. Silver Spring is IMHO no more "risky" than say Rockville. I've no doubt that if you stagger around @ 3AM three sheets to the wind in either place, you can get into trouble. Both are far safer than The Hill after dark. [1] A popular area with a diversity of ethnic restaurants. Woodley Park/Zoo stop on the Red Line, then walk across the bridge or take the shuttle bus. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by Michael Shields 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

In article <200009212146.RAA26224(a)sigma.nrk.com>, David Lesher <wb8foz(a)nrk.com> wrote: > BWI has weekday MARC-train > service <http://www.mtamaryland.com/> with a free shuttle bus > to same. It is also possible to take Amtrak. However, if routes and pricing permit, flying to DCA will save a significant amount of time and hassle when your destination is downtown. > There's no rational reason to rent a car and risk your sanity > driving. Unless you have other business along 267, this is definitely the case. -- Shields.

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by David Lesher 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

Unnamed Administration sources reported that Robert M. Enger said: > > > You might wish to look at getting rooms in > Bethesda, Md. It is closer-in than Rockville, > and has more restaurants than some western states. > > Silver Spring, Md is not nearly as nice as Bethesda, or even Rockville. > > The Washington subway system RED LINE makes > a giant "U". The line comes down from above Rockville, loops through downtown, > and goes back out past Silver Spring. From either end, you'll be traveling > in the same direction as the "rush". Expect to stand all the way downtown, > and perhaps stand part way out in the evening. All facts I can't disagree with. (Except standing; that's a iffy one.) Silver Spring is NOT as nice; but the hotels I am thinking of are not dives rather Ramada economy flavor, etc. And they are in the <$100 area. Bethesda won't be. Rosslyn is closer, on the other lines. It has Quality Inn's etc. The big issue may be the Metro stops at midnight. Your partying schedule may be curtailed. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: Is there an electrician in the house?
by Sean Donelan 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

On Thu, 21 September 2000, Phil Reese wrote: > By definition, collocation companies need to be paranoid about > everything. However, when I asked them what is the issue with the APC > device they just invoked 'this could cause an overload and potential > fire hazard' as their technical position on why this passive, UL listed, > device isn't allowed. If you look at the APC web page it says Note: The CCPDUs are intended to provide the appropriate quantity and type of outlets. The CCPDU is not intended to add lengths to cable runs other than its inherent 4' cord. Note: The CCPDUs plug directly into the back of Matrix-UPS and should not be used with wall outlets. In general when I see a a solution which violates the explicit written directions of the product manufacturer, I get nervous. Talk to your IBM sales rep about some better alternatives to use with their S80 product line.

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