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Problems on the net this afternoon?
by James Smith 07 Sep '00

07 Sep '00

Has anyone been experiencing intermittant problems getting to certain sites this afternoon? -- James Smith, CCNA Chief Network/System Administrator DXSTORM.COM http://www.dxstorm.com/ DXSTORM Inc. 2395 Speakman Drive, Suite 2200 Mississauga, ON, L5K 1B3 CANADA Tel: 905-822-1957 (email preferred) Fax: 905-822-0680 1-877-DXSTORM (1-877-397-8676) "Don't be irreplaceable - if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted." --Dilbert "The more junk you put up with, the more junk you are going to get." --Dilbert

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Re: bring sense to the ietf - volunteer for nomcom
by Randy Bush 07 Sep '00

07 Sep '00

> I think you are confused. PEs are edges, route reflectors have nothing > to do with the core (in the context of bgp/mpls vpn). real networks tend not to put pops where there are no peers or customers. and vpns want to cross all those edges. and customers are going to effectively fully mesh the pops with vpns because a non-trivial number of large customers have branches in every darn city. there are customers for whom the transitive closure of vpn-linked pops is effectively the full set of pops in the isp's network. and just how many pe routers, or route reflectors, do you think we want to install per pop? some have even suggested that one would be well advised to run separate sets of rrs, one set for normal reflection and another for the mpls vpns. yuchh! others have said that to keep your network stable should you have vpn customers on the same aggregation routers as non-vpn customers. if this is done, each time a customer wants to add/delete the vpn service you need to re-home them. yucchh^2! > according to your taxonomy bgp/mplg vpn is "the internet style". not when we drive the bgp load of the pes or rrs geometrically. the only thing that scales about this approach is the profits of the those vendors who can actually carry the load of 100k, 200k, 400k, ... bgp routes. and we know bgp is one of the serious limits to net scaling. imiho, mpls vpns are a ploy in the router vendor war, escalating use of each other's engineering resources, trying to keep out the small vendors. somewhat like the cold war, two old men (yes, men, of course:-) drinking poison to see who will die first. the problem with this one is that it is the isps who get the poison, and they don't realize it until it is too late because it is a scaling issue and does not affect next quarter's results. randy

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RE: Ameritech Service Quality Report
by Richard Welty 07 Sep '00

07 Sep '00

Shawn McMahon [mailto:smcmahon@eiv.com] wrote: > They also were notorious for telling people "we've tested > your T1, and the > problem is on your end" when they hadn't tested at all, then > when you pester > them into testing again they suddenly find a problem on their end. > Happened to me more than once. on more than one occasion, when managing customer installs or troubleshooting, we've had Ameritech tell us that they can see the CPE and try and declare their work done. of course, we always include an appropriately timed step in our procedure where the CPE is disconnected and turned off, so we usually put an end to that right then and there. it's kind of depressing that you have to presume that a critical vendor is going to lie to you. on the other hand, it _is_ the phone company. richard

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RE: Problems on the net this afternoon?
by Hayden, Robin 07 Sep '00

07 Sep '00

>Has anyone been experiencing intermittant problems getting to certain >sites this afternoon? I had a hard time getting to work this morning, train delays, but I hear they're working on one of the lines :) Robin Hayden Cable & Wireless London -----Original Message----- From: James Smith [mailto:jsmith@dxstorm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 06:29 To: NANOG Subject: Problems on the net this afternoon? Has anyone been experiencing intermittant problems getting to certain sites this afternoon? -- James Smith, CCNA Chief Network/System Administrator DXSTORM.COM http://www.dxstorm.com/ DXSTORM Inc. 2395 Speakman Drive, Suite 2200 Mississauga, ON, L5K 1B3 CANADA Tel: 905-822-1957 (email preferred) Fax: 905-822-0680 1-877-DXSTORM (1-877-397-8676) "Don't be irreplaceable - if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted." --Dilbert "The more junk you put up with, the more junk you are going to get." --Dilbert

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cisco search
by Dave McKay 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

I know the AUP on Nanog says no advertising, so I hope I'm not overstepping the boundrys on this post. I am writing in to notify people of a Cisco specific search. The location url is http://cisco.google.com/cisco This search is generally the same as the one on CCO now, (because we do the search) but sometimes gets better results. -- Dave McKay dave(a)sneakerz.org Network Engineer - Google Inc.

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RE: Problems on the net this afternoon?
by Tom Beeson 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

UUnet had a hic-up in Phoenix (grrrrrr!!!!) dumped a large part of traffic at the worst time of the morning. (UUnet is one of our primary connections). -- Tom Beeson Oso Grande Technologies At 02:12 PM 09/06/2000 -0400, James Smith wrote: >Sorry about being so vague, but I find it gets people talking about even >little problems that might be occur, which I find helpful. > >I got hold of somebody at UUNet and things seem to be back together now >with our connection. > > >-- >James Smith, CCNA >Chief Network/System Administrator >DXSTORM.COM --**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**-- Tom Beeson Oso Grande Technologies Network Engineer A New Mexico Technet Co. (505) 345-1748 noc(a)nm.net "Sanity checks cashed here" --**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--

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SoCal & Bay Area Troubles
by Karyn Ulriksen 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

Looks like GLBX may still be awash from a earlier fiber cut in the Bay Area. Netcom looks like it's having trouble in the LA area. Does anybody have any more information on what's going on down here? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Best regards, Karyn Ulriksen Director of Network Operations PublicHost, A SiteStream Company 22 Mauchly, Suite 200 Irvine, California 92618 USA Phone: (949) 743-2000 email: kulriksen(a)publichost.com URL: http://www.publichost.com ===========================================

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RE: Problems on the net this afternoon?
by Karyn Ulriksen 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

The NOC has to be listed somewhere... > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Medwid [mailto:Michael.Medwid@ariba.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:48 AM > To: NANOG > Subject: RE: Problems on the net this afternoon? > > > > Call the "Internet HelpDesk". :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Smith [mailto:jsmith@dxstorm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:29 AM > To: NANOG > Subject: Problems on the net this afternoon? > > > > Has anyone been experiencing intermittant problems getting to certain > sites this afternoon? > > > -- > James Smith, CCNA > Chief Network/System Administrator > DXSTORM.COM > > http://www.dxstorm.com/ > > DXSTORM Inc. > 2395 Speakman Drive, Suite 2200 > Mississauga, ON, L5K 1B3 CANADA > Tel: 905-822-1957 (email preferred) > Fax: 905-822-0680 > 1-877-DXSTORM (1-877-397-8676) > > "Don't be irreplaceable - if you can't be replaced, you can't be > promoted." > --Dilbert > > "The more junk you put up with, the more junk you are going to get." > --Dilbert > > > > >

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RE: Problems on the net this afternoon?
by Michael Medwid 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

Call the "Internet HelpDesk". :-) -----Original Message----- From: James Smith [mailto:jsmith@dxstorm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:29 AM To: NANOG Subject: Problems on the net this afternoon? Has anyone been experiencing intermittant problems getting to certain sites this afternoon? -- James Smith, CCNA Chief Network/System Administrator DXSTORM.COM http://www.dxstorm.com/ DXSTORM Inc. 2395 Speakman Drive, Suite 2200 Mississauga, ON, L5K 1B3 CANADA Tel: 905-822-1957 (email preferred) Fax: 905-822-0680 1-877-DXSTORM (1-877-397-8676) "Don't be irreplaceable - if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted." --Dilbert "The more junk you put up with, the more junk you are going to get." --Dilbert

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RE: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 06 Sep '00

06 Sep '00

> From: Steve Sobol [mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:43 PM > It seems to me that there's been a lot of discussion about > IPv6, to the > point that the authors of some operating systems[0] have claimed to > actually > have working code that implements it. However, I haven't seen > much talk > about actually deploying it[1]. > > [0] OK, one. I recall seeing somewhere that Linux's TCP/IP > code supports it. it does, in the more recent kernels. It even has the v6-v4 tunnel code. > [1] Truthfully, I don't spend my time with my nose buried in technical > journals, and I don't keep up as much with the infrastructure side of > things as I'd like to (and probably should), but I would > think that this would be big news if it had actually happened. You might want to know that Mickeysoft also has an IPv6 stack for Windoze. The real issue is getting all those routers and switches deployed. We can then turn up the clients and servers as needed.

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