June 2000 - Test - lists.nanog.org

RE: net-loss (was RE: attention net-grrls)
by Vadim Antonov 11 Jun '00

11 Jun '00

Rich Sena <ras(a)poppa.thick.net> wrote: > > Ya know I thought of trying to snap off yet another funny quip, quiping > is of course what I do best.... > > [the rest is skipped] This is getting stale. Would you, please, move the thread to a place which has no requirement to have content relevant to running networks? --vadim

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OT: net-loss (was RE: attention net-grrls)
by rdobbins＠netmore.net 11 Jun '00

11 Jun '00

Gee, I thought that IP, BGP, DNS, ACLs, and so on worked the same for women as for men. One of the main reasons I'm on this list is to learn from the experiences and expertise of others - male -and- female. You're of course free to do as you wish, but I personally think the whole idea of a 'Women in Networking' list is absurd, revanchist, and sexist (to use the politically correct terminology currently in vogue amongst those who claim to be striving for 'equality', yet who seem to do everything they can to claim that they themselves have 'special needs' and so on, which of course undermines the rationale their supposedly egalitarian agenda). Technology works the same for everyone, regardless of gender, race, creed, or color; that's one of the beautiful things about it. Consciously erecting artificial boundaries where none need exist strikes me as being laughably archaic, and ultimately counterproductive. But, hey, what do I know? After all, I'm just a member of the oppressive patriachy, dedicated to keeping females barefoot, naked, and in the wiring-closet, right? Talk about your stereotyping. Sorry for the rant, but this sort of thing strikes me as being inimical to the spirit of the Net in general, and this list in particular. I'll shut up, now. --------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins <rdobbins(a)netmore.net> // 818.535.5024 voice -----Original Message----- From: abha [mailto:ahuja@wibh.net] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 1:56 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: attention net-grrls Hi NANOG! Sorry for the spam, but this seemed like the best place to post this message.... :) Some of us have been talking about this for years.... And it has been a long time in the making, but it is finally here... A mailing list for Women in Networking... Whoohoo... :) I hope this list develops into a useful forum and resource for all of us... A place to discuss, network, complain, vent, coordinate... Whatever... :) Thanks to many gracious folks, this list is now possible (Thanks, Steve. Thanks, Paul. And to my co-conspirators... Hi Cathy! Hi Eve!) Send "subscribe net-grrls" to Majordomo(a)wibh.net Please send me any comments, complaints, etc.... //abha ;)

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Re: net-loss (was RE: attention net-grrls)
by Matt Ranney 10 Jun '00

10 Jun '00

"Rachel Luxemburg" <rslux(a)link-net.com> writes: [...] > If you feel threatened or offended by the fact that some women feel a need > to have some space for themselves, I'm sorry for you. But to call it sexist > or counterproductive just shows how little you understand the issue. This, of course, has nothing to do with the charter of NANOG. However, I can't agree more with Rachel's post. The number of people out there who think there is no gender equality problem is staggering. -- Matt Ranney - mjr(a)ranney.com

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Good news from NERC
by Sean Donelan 10 Jun '00

10 Jun '00

The North American Electric Reliability Council has announced "Generation and transmission resources are expected to be adequate to meet projected customer electricy demands in most areas in North America this summer." However areas of concern for this summer are New England, New York and the southwestern area of the United States - California, Arizona, New Mexico and southern Nevada.

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RE: net-loss (was RE: attention net-grrls)
by Sean Donelan 10 Jun '00

10 Jun '00

On Fri, 09 June 2000, "Rachel Luxemburg" wrote: > I suspect that men who hold or have held jobs in overwhelmingly female > fields have the best chance of grokking this issue. Or, of course, other > minorities (you could count the number of black employees at my employer's > HQ on one hand). My primary customers used to be libraries and librarians. My boss was a women, the majority of my customers were women, the majority of the decision makers were women, the majority of my co-workers were women. Its true, catalogers think only another cataloger could possibly understand their lingo and didn't want to waste their time talking to a customer service rep who doesn't have a clue what a MARC tag is. 99% of the time, it didn't make any difference. Servers in resturants being the notable exception. When a group of women librarians and myself would have a business meal, inevitably the waiter or waitress would hand me the check. But I've been told I have the inter-personal skills of a rock, so I may have missed something. The nature of the digital world does tend to hide some factors. I've built up mental images of people I know electronically, and have been surprised when I first meet the person in person by just about every possible physical characteristic. One interesting psychological difference is women are generally (gross generalization) better at detecting men pretending to be women on-line, than men detecting either women pretending to be men or men pretending to be women on-line. Just in case any males are thinking of subscribing to the net-girls under false pretenses. On the other hand, this is NANOG. If someone posted "The Earth is round" I suspect we'd have 1 post saying the earth is a sphere 5 posts saying the earth is flat 9 posts correcting them, saying is egg-shaped 2 posts explaining how the shape varies depending on the dynamic properties of the core 1 post saying its bigger on the bottom than on the top 2 posts from Australia claiming the poster was engaging in hemispherism and the globe doesn't have a "bottom" or "top" 2 posts with JPG files from NASA showing the earth is round 3 posts complaining about the size of the JPG images 7 posts saying the images are NSA forgeries 2 posts saying its off-topic for this list 7 posts discussing the appropriate topics for the list 2 posts saying MAE-east could be hit be an asteroid 3 posts discussing off-planet backup facilities 9 posts discussing the RTT of martian packets 5 posts debating on the proper way to calculate the speed of light 3 posts on the SETI@Home project 5 posts on making SETI@Home run on linux machines 1 post asking how to configure a Cisco router to run SETI@Home

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Dynarc
by Bradley Dunn 10 Jun '00

10 Jun '00

Is anyone using the Dynarc boxes? Any operational experience to share? http://www.dynarc.com/ Thanks, Bradley

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Re: OT: net-loss (was RE: attention net-grrls)
by Bradley J. Passwaters 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

Alexander Kiwerski said: >I believe the simple fact that the existence of a "women in networking" >mailing list is being debated in any way, shape or form speaks volumes in >and of itself............. The existence of the list was not being debated, the reasons for and effects of the list were being debated. The bright side is even the people who thought the list was a bad idea seemed concerned about what they percieved as a loss of participation in other list by valuable people. On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Shawn McMahon wrote: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 01:41:10PM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote: > > > > When I've attended meetings, I've seen that the vast majority of > > participants are white males. It seems reasonable to expect that > > those without the same immutable characteristics might feel different > > or even excluded. > > And making a new list will make them less excluded? > > Seems to me it involves codifying their exclusion. Having a new list does not preclude involvement in current lists. All it does is create a different environment for people to have a discussion. I can only go by what the original author said: >A place to discuss, network, complain, vent, coordinate... It might be that they feel that a different environment would be beneficial find answers to questions that they might not want to ask on nanog: 1) When I know the answer to a problem how do I get the 3 male engineers to shutup and listen to me... 2) I have frag'ed his butt a gazillion times in quake but this sysadmin I work with still calls me "hon" how do I make him stop? 3) When I wear my G-suit to work how do I get people to look at the network diagram on the white board and not well you know... 4) When I post a harmless message on nanog and it turns into a 15 message+ miniflamewar what do I do? I guess it all revolves around your point of view; if someone is on a mailing list but doesn't feel comfortable posting is that inclusionary? Sometimes by allowing people an environment where they feel at home you allow them to learn things that make them better able to deal with a umm more challenging environment. I didn't see this mailing list as an attempt to replace other mailing lists merely to compliment them. Now if they starting hoarding clues and not sharing thats another story :) As always YMMV bjp(a)eng.umd.edu | Disclaimer: Can you be sure I even uunet!eng.umd.edu!istari | exist: Let alone represent anyone Brad Passwaters (Network Ronin) | or anything. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here we are. Born to be kings. We're the princes of the universe. Here we belong, fighting to survive in a war with the darkest power. Network Manager's Theme Song (QUEEN)

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Re: OT: net-loss (was RE: attention net-grrls)
by Richard A. Steenbergen 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 rdobbins(a)netmore.net wrote: > > Gee, I thought that IP, BGP, DNS, ACLs, and so on worked the same > > for women as for men. > > No. When it doesn't work for a man, we scream "BITCH!" When it > doesn't work for a woman, they scream "BASTARD!" I know it's a subtle > difference but, it's STILL a difference. Your request to Majordomo(a)tch.org: subscribe net-grrls ras(a)pkitty.e-gerbil.net has been forwarded to the owner of the "net-grrls" list for approval. Hrm does this mean its open to women only? I wanted to read the tips for color coordinating your GSRs, offices, and makeup. *runs* of course you all know I'm j/k, but this does bring up an interesting concept for a nanog-dating service... :P On a slightly serious note, I always wonder about the creation of advocacy groups where the creation of its matching counterpart (net-dudes?) not as a response to the original group creation would be considered absurd and in bad taste. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/humble PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Jun 9 12:00:00 PDT 2000 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to xara.net for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to me. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 09Jun00 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 110400 75403 120400 75730 130400 75919 010500 76182 020500 76265 070600 78743 080600 78857 090600 78901 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- *** Bogus 65.56.64.0/21 from AS2941 *** Bogus 109.177.9.0/24 from AS1785 AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 7613 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 4265 (2328 cidr, 1937 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 907 announced by AS701 Largest number of classful routes: 1020 announced by AS701 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 09Jun00 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS271 438 150 288 65.8% BCnet Backbone AS9269 203 28 175 86.2% Hong Kong CTI AS1221 578 405 173 29.9% TELSTRA-AS AS7046 511 347 164 32.1% COQUI-NET PRTC Internet AS9706 152 28 124 81.6% Pusan Metropolitan City Office of AS2609 127 8 119 93.7% EUnet-TN AS7545 167 68 99 59.3% TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS6429 209 117 92 44.0% RDC-INTERNET AS174 568 477 91 16.0% Performance Systems International AS9304 115 28 87 75.7% Hutchcity AS7496 127 40 87 68.5% Power Up AS7657 250 165 85 34.0% The Internet Group Limited AS705 339 262 77 22.7% ALTERNET-AS AS4293 312 237 75 24.0% Internal ASN for C&W AS577 250 178 72 28.8% Bell Backbone AS724 216 148 68 31.5% DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS AS9557 84 19 65 77.4% Pakistan Telecommunication Compan AS1727 140 79 61 43.6% MRMS-WEST AS3602 303 243 60 19.8% Sprint Canada Inc. AS3749 118 59 59 50.0% TECNET AS6595 104 47 57 54.8% DODDSEUR AS209 431 374 57 13.2% Qwest Communications AS4740 329 274 55 16.7% Ozemail Pty Ltd (ASN-OZEMAIL) AS7018 530 477 53 10.0% AT&T WorldNet Service Backbone AS7568 66 14 52 78.8% C.S. Communications Co., Ltd. AS701 1020 968 52 5.1% Alternet AS6528 48 6 42 87.5% WORLD-LYNX AS6499 97 56 41 42.3% Brooks Fiber Properties, Inc. AS6629 67 27 40 59.7% NOAA-AS AS4755 128 88 40 31.2% Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. India For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

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RIPE-210 [was: Re: BGP dampening parameters]
by Simon Leinen 09 Jun '00

09 Jun '00

>>>>> "s" == smd <smd(a)clock.org> writes: > "Other" Sean: > | Have people adjusted their dampening parameters or are they still using the > | Cisco defaults? > Please see http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-178.html A new version of the RIPE route-flap dampening recommendations has just been published under: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-210.html -- Simon.

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