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RE: California power - its cold, its dark
by Roeland Meyer 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

Thanks for the links guys. Now, here's the summary. 1) California power load is still 10,000 MW below peak delivery of last Summer. 2) Slightly over 1/3 of the generation plants are down for "maintenance". 3) There was an unplanned 500 KW outage, which was compensated for by shuting down the pumps of the California Aquaduct sytem temporarily. 1) Blame is being placed on the early and extra cold winter. However, a quick perusal of the Farmers Almanac shows that this is expected and no surprise, or shouldn't be. 2) The REAL blame probably rests on the head of the yahoo that allowed so many plants to go on scheduled maintenance at the same time. 3) Shutting down the aquaduct is real bad. Some of Bill Mullholland's design depends on siphon effect and if the siphon breaks it takes weeks of massive power usage in order to resore it. Ergo, they can't shut it down too long or it'll cost too much power to bring it back up. Leaving it down isn't an option, too many people depend on that water. It's looking more like a management screw-up and more people are begining to realize it. The deregulators were so busy deregulating that future usage planning was foregone. Forcing the local utilities to sell off their generators may not have been very smart either. Current power capacity scheduling was also bungled. The timing can only be either gross incompetance or Machiavallien cunning. Thank you all for the additional links. I was actually researching this since a few days ago. Some of us are preparing grounds for suit, independently, in the event that they start long rolling black-outs. We have six-hours worth of bats, so we should be okay. But, our clients don't. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Stratton [mailto:nathan@robotics.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:47 PM > To: Sean Donelan > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: California power - its cold, its dark > > > > On 7 Dec 2000, Sean Donelan wrote: > > > Approximately one-third of California's power generating capacitiy > > is off-line. The California system operator has called a "stage 3" > > power alert, requiring *interruptiable* customers be interrupted > > until 10pm tonight. They are not instituting rotating blackouts > > of other customers at this time. > > Any word on the cause of the outage, did several reactors scram at the > same time or is this a transmission issue? > > ><> > Nathan Stratton CTO, Exario > Networks, Inc. > nathan(a)robotics.net nathan(a)exario.net > http://www.robotics.net http://www.exario.net > >

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California power - its cold, its dark
by Sean Donelan 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

Approximately one-third of California's power generating capacitiy is off-line. The California system operator has called a "stage 3" power alert, requiring *interruptiable* customers be interrupted until 10pm tonight. They are not instituting rotating blackouts of other customers at this time.

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RE: California power - its cold, its dark
by Patrick Harrison 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

http://abcnews.go.com/local/kabc/news/46141_1262000.html > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:39:33 -0800 > From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com> > To: 'Sean Donelan' <sean(a)donelan.com>, nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: California power - its cold, its dark > > > Can you send links for this one? I'd like to a littel of my own snooping. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:32 PM > > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > > Subject: California power - its cold, its dark > > > > > > > > Approximately one-third of California's power generating capacitiy > > is off-line. The California system operator has called a "stage 3" > > power alert, requiring *interruptiable* customers be interrupted > > until 10pm tonight. They are not instituting rotating blackouts > > of other customers at this time. > > > > > > > > -- ======================================================================= Patrick Harrison Mestizo Networks ***THIS SPACE FOR RENT*** =======================================================================

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RE: California power - its cold, its dark
by Roeland Meyer 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

Can you send links for this one? I'd like to a littel of my own snooping. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:32 PM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: California power - its cold, its dark > > > > Approximately one-third of California's power generating capacitiy > is off-line. The California system operator has called a "stage 3" > power alert, requiring *interruptiable* customers be interrupted > until 10pm tonight. They are not instituting rotating blackouts > of other customers at this time. > > >

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RE: Operations: where are you going to sit?
by Nadin, Holly 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

I forgot to mention he was sleeping at the time. -----Original Message----- From: Nadin, Holly [mailto:holly.nadin@eassist.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:37 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Operations: where are you going to sit? When I used to work in the old Genuity NOC we used to have a camera up so people could see us on the web 24/7. The machine the camera was hooked up to would freeze on the last picture taken when the hard drive would fill. The camera went away after the same picture of one of the third shift guys was on the web for about two weeks. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn McMahon [mailto:smcmahon@eiv.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:17 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Operations: where are you going to sit? On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:55:05PM -0500, Steve Meuse wrote: > > Many a time I would be goofing off only to turn around to see the > conference room at the back of the NOC filled with 20 business men with > their faces pressed to the glass watching us. Doh! Last time I worked in the fishbowl, I waited until the Senior Manager was showing us off to the VIPs, and then I brought up all the day's critical error messages in the IT/O (some of you know it as Opcenter) history at once, so it looked like a screen full of red Criticals popped up all at once. Then I looked at the screen, shrugged my shoulders, and walked off out of sight. He thought I was leaving the room; I was actually standing off where they couldn't see me, but I could still see the screen in case real errors popped up. :-) After that, he started calling us and warning us before the curtain would be opened.

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RE: Operations: where are you going to sit?
by Nadin, Holly 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

When I used to work in the old Genuity NOC we used to have a camera up so people could see us on the web 24/7. The machine the camera was hooked up to would freeze on the last picture taken when the hard drive would fill. The camera went away after the same picture of one of the third shift guys was on the web for about two weeks. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn McMahon [mailto:smcmahon@eiv.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:17 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Operations: where are you going to sit? On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:55:05PM -0500, Steve Meuse wrote: > > Many a time I would be goofing off only to turn around to see the > conference room at the back of the NOC filled with 20 business men with > their faces pressed to the glass watching us. Doh! Last time I worked in the fishbowl, I waited until the Senior Manager was showing us off to the VIPs, and then I brought up all the day's critical error messages in the IT/O (some of you know it as Opcenter) history at once, so it looked like a screen full of red Criticals popped up all at once. Then I looked at the screen, shrugged my shoulders, and walked off out of sight. He thought I was leaving the room; I was actually standing off where they couldn't see me, but I could still see the screen in case real errors popped up. :-) After that, he started calling us and warning us before the curtain would be opened.

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Operations: where are you going to sit?
by Sean Donelan 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

Several folks have asked me how to build a NOC for their operations people. Instead I thought I would post a few pointers to some of the larger oeprations centers with public information. AT&T Global Network Operations Center, Bedminster, NC (where are the people?) http://www.archrecord.com/CONTEDUC/ARTICLES/11_00_1.asp Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center (NORAD), Colorado Springs, CO (designed by the navy, built by the army, used by the air force) https://www.cheyennemountain.af.mil/cmoc/cmocimages.html Genuity Network Operations Center, Burlington, MA (cool video John :-) http://www.genuity.com/help/noc/tour.htm UUNET Network Operations Center, Northern Virginia (aren't there any cities in Virginia?) http://www.us.uu.net/support/noc/ Verio Network Operations Center, Dallas, TX http://home.verio.com/company/technology/noc.cfm Key features for a NOC: 1) Good chairs 2) Quiet 3) Adequate ice maker 4) Lots of bookshelves, file cabinets, and personel storage 5) Lots of phone lines (including conference and analog) 6) Some direct phone(s) (not through PBX, i.e. Red Phones) 7) Multiple PCs/Workstations per operator 8) Private tunes (cd player & headset) 9) CNN and The Weather Channel (really ESPN) 10) Drapes across the glass window

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Apologies
by Shawn McMahon 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

To all: A while ago, I inadvertantly misdirected a reply from a politicial discussion into the NANOG list. My apologies to all who didn't delete it unread for wasting your time and bandwidth.

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man filters
by jamie rishaw 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

someone needs to learn what a fucking filter is .. Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path 3.0.0.0 195.66.225.254 0 5459 9057 3356 19116 5650 701 80 i 4.0.0.0 195.66.225.254 0 5459 9057 3356 19116 5650 1239 1 i 6.0.0.0 195.66.225.254 0 5459 9057 3356 19116 5650 7170 1455 i 9.2.0.0/16 195.66.225.254 0 5459 9057 3356 19116 5650 701 i 9.3.4.0/24 195.66.225.254 0 5459 9057 3356 19116 5650 1239 1 1221 ? 9.3.5.0/24 195.66.225.254 0 5459 9057 3356 19116 5650 1239 1 1221 ? 12.0.0.0 195.66.225.254 0 5459 9057 3356 19116 5650 1239 7018 i -- i am jamie at arpa dot com .. and this is my .sig. All I want is a kind word, a warm bed and unlimited power. <BasharTeg> Linux is like drugs. They seem fun at the time, but someday you have to live with the consequences of your actions.

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Re: [elug-advo] Re: An idea <- Your examples continue to be utter failures ...
by Shawn McMahon 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 02:21:47PM -0500, Darren Humphrey wrote: > > Civil suits are non-binding between states unless they agree to make them > binding. I'm amazed that a state's rights person such as yourself would > stand for one state having jurisdiction over another. Darren, you're making the mistake again of assuming potential problems are actual problems. I have no problem with the current arrangement on that. You were the one concerned, remember? > It's a giant loophole to get around the rule of law. You sound like a baby > who doesn't want to eat his carrots. You're getting mad at mom for making > you eat them. And you sound like the mother next door who's bitching about how my mom takes care of me. Leave us the hell alone. > "Founding fathers" is an extremely loose term. Quite a few of them did > think so. Quite a lot didn't. Thank goodness, most of 'em didn't want the government to be mommy and daddy. > >The slaves would have been free within 15 years without that war. 600,000 > >people would have lived out their natural spans. Bad feelings that persist > >to this day would have been avoided. > > I see, did your tarot card reader tell you that. Now you're arguing > possibles vs. actual history. No, I'm arguing the several other countries that abolished slavery the peaceful way during the same time frame, without bloodshed, because they didn't take the "executive proclamation" route. > 600,000 people died because the southern > states didn't want to submit to the rule of law. 600,000 people died because Abe Lincoln was too impatient to submit to the rule of law. > unwilling to bend even in this slighest degree, then God help us all if > libertarian minded people get into power. The republic will self destruct. God help us all if people like Thomas Jefferson get into power. The last time libertarian-minded people got into power, they abolished the income tax, gun laws, and unwarranted search and seizure. Now those things are all happening again. > Um, no. Your standard is if xxx wasn't around for yyy years than it isn't > necessary. The same yardstick measures in both directions. Wrong, Darren. If a implies b, b does not necessarily imply a. > >And I've gotten that way for 224 years. Does that stick in your craw? > > Not in the slightest. The amendment process is intentionally very > difficult. The amendment I propose is no different than the amendment that > got rid of poll taxes. It's very different, Darren, in that poll taxes prevented a huge segment of the population from voting and weren't created deliberately in the Constitution. The poll tax amendment was to prevent a loophole. You're talking about changing something that was put in there deliberately. That's quite different, but I'm not surprised that you don't see that.

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