September 1999 - Test - lists.nanog.org

backhoe training is a success
by Sean Donelan 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

Sometimes FCC filings can be hilarious. FCC Outage Report 99-149 July 30, 1999, Lamesa, TX A contractor was providing backhoe training to his employees on his property in Lamesa, TX. The contractor told his employees that no utilities existed in the practice area and instructed them to exercise their backhoe skills. The employees began digging and subsequently severed an AT&T cable that crossed the contractor's property. There was no One-Call notification to AT&T, however there were marker poles posted on the property and were clearly visible. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 03 Sep '99

03 Sep '99

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Sep 3 12:00:00 PDT 1999 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to xara.net for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to me. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 03Sep99 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 270899 63124 280899 62963 290899 63479 300899 63490 310899 63472 010999 63419 020999 63310 030999 63155 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 4055 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 1630 (346 cidr, 1284 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 181 announced by AS701 Largest number of classful routes: 835 announced by AS701 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 03Sep99 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS99 2 1 1 50.0% INTEL-IWARP AS9536 2 1 1 50.0% Sony Corporation of Hong Kong Ltd AS9511 2 1 1 50.0% Wilson and Horton AS9468 2 1 1 50.0% Timber Hill Honk Kong Ltd. AS9447 2 1 1 50.0% Ford Motors AS9428 2 1 1 50.0% The Net Effect Pty Ltd. AS9175 2 1 1 50.0% VHB-DE AS9084 2 1 1 50.0% Goldman Sachs International AS8963 2 1 1 50.0% INTRASOFT Autonomous System AS8898 2 1 1 50.0% Roche Diagnostics GmbH AS8673 2 1 1 50.0% BusinessOnline AG, German ISP AS8672 2 1 1 50.0% Orbitel Ltd. Autonomous system Nu AS8141 2 1 1 50.0% TBAINFORMATICA AS7912 2 1 1 50.0% STATEFARMINSCO AS7267 2 1 1 50.0% GLOBALCOMMERCE AS6979 2 1 1 50.0% SAP AS6830 2 1 1 50.0% chello broadband AS6575 2 1 1 50.0% Wilmington Internet Service Enter AS6434 2 1 1 50.0% OpNet Inc AS6242 2 1 1 50.0% TELEMAIL AS6234 2 1 1 50.0% ETAK-NET2 AS5839 2 1 1 50.0% DDN-ASNBLK AS5647 2 1 1 50.0% ASN-KODAK AS4939 2 1 1 50.0% ASN-SOLECT AS3346 2 1 1 50.0% HUNGARNET-GODOLLO AS2472 2 1 1 50.0% FR-DOM-GUYANE AS1725 2 1 1 50.0% FR-RENATER-CHAMPAITRE AS1665 2 1 1 50.0% IBM Watson #2, Yorktown Heights, AS13425 2 1 1 50.0% UNKNOWN AS13366 3 2 1 33.3% UNKNOWN For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

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Re: Warning to ISPs: 9netave
by Dean Robb 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

At 19:52 9/1/99 -0700, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > >No doubt I'll get flamed to hell by some folks for this(but this wouldn't >be Nanog without it), however if this character is doing what is described >below you might want to make sure it isn't happening to you and your users >at this very moment, moreso since 9netave, the organization hosting the >site is apparently refusing to take action to stop a clear case of >credit fraud. > >Value Net, http://www.value.net is an ISP located in Walnut Creek, >California, which I have an account with. > >It appears that a scam artist decided to set up >http://www.valuehelp.net, which copies the site design, logos, etc. and >pops up with a javascript alert saying "This is a secure Value Net >server," and has a place to enter account info & credit card. They then >proceeded to send email to Value Net customers telling >them that they needed to go there and re-enter their information, >including credit card info. > >According to information provided to me, 9netave is in no uncertain terms >is refusing to take down the site without a court order. In the spam-fighting world, we've caught 9NetAve with it's hands dirty on a multitude of scams, AOL phishes, MMF schemes and plain old spam. They have always been unrepentant and refused to take action, even on the clearly illegal stuff. Anyone having any dealings with them would be well advised to watch them closely. Back to the on-topic stuff...:) "NSI and ICANN - on the next Springer!" Dean Robb Owner, PC-EASY (757) 495-EASY [3279] On-site computer repairs, upgrades and consultations Senior Reviewer, WWW.TheGamers.Net - an IEN affiliate.

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Re: Warning to ISPs: 9netave
by Dan Bustillos - Datalink Computer Services 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

Hey all, It looks like the site has been taken off the net. Just my .02 Thank you, Dan Bustillos Datalink Computer Services (530) 897-6400 (888) 328-4638 ******************* "First rule of Government Spending: Why build one when you can build two at twice the price"

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A nightmare of SNMP -:) /my attempt to explain why/
by Alex P. Rudnev 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

If someone is interested in _not too scientific, but impressive_ article about SNMP, look at http://sili2.relcom.EU.net/~alex/SNMP.html . May be, there is something usefull can be found there, not the fun only. (don't blame me for the mistakes in English, please, I know there is a lot of them). Aleksei Roudnev, Network Operations Center, Relcom, Moscow (+7 095) 194-19-95 (Network Operations Center Hot Line),(+7 095) 230-41-41, N 13729 (pager) (+7 095) 196-72-12 (Support), (+7 095) 194-33-28 (Fax)

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Re: read this before you consider EXODUS
by Ravi M 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

What sounds like "fruitless bitching" to you will serve as useful information for other people out there, who are in the process of selecting service providers. This is a *open* forum that people bring realities like these publicly. You are entitled to speak for yourself, and if it sounds like what you inferred, you are subscribing to the wrong list. Just do a "unsubscribe". One of the intent of this open list is to make aware of realities of ISPs around, beyond the glare of the press and marketing. And using words like "fruitless bitching" does not make your opinion more potent to anyone, unless they hold a lot of Exodus stock (: Do you?. Try to refrain from unnecessary language. Take it easy RaviM > http://fnews.yahoo.com/street/99/09/01/valley_990901.html >This sort of fruitless bitching pretty much serves no useful purpose.

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Re: Warning to ISPs: 9netave
by Sean Donelan 02 Sep '99

02 Sep '99

Peter.Galbavy(a)knowledge.COM (Peter Galbavy) writes: >Why beware ? While this is probably off-topic, I would like to point >out some of the more heartless realities of living in a litigious >society, in particular like that of the US. If the service provider >removed the site based on some complaints then they would be opening >themselves up for claims of restricting trade, suppression of the >rights of the customers etc. I am not in the US, nor a lawyer - but >you get the idea. Lots of pointless (or is that punative ?) damages >feasible. [Operational content only as far as any network engineer should know the procedure for escalating the matter to the correct contact within their organization.] Somewhat true. ISPs in the US should obviously consult their lawyer, and should be aware of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. There are several steps an ISP must follow to preserve their immunity under the law. The DMCA sets out how complaints must be filed with the ISP, and the response the ISP must take including how they remove web sites. ISPs which do not follow the law may be held liable. Personally I think the DMCA has some constitutional flaws, but it is the law as it currently stands. Although it may seem strange to use a copyright law to deal with an apparently fraudulent web site, these scams usually involve some use of copyrighted material without authorization. It likely also violates several other laws. One advantage of using the DMCA is it doesn't require a court order to get the web site removed. But that is up to Value.Net's lawyers to determine how best to proceed. You can find out more by asking your lawyer and the web site http://www.loc.gov/copyright/onlinesp/ As far as I can tell 9 Net Ave has not registered with the US Copyright Office as an online service provider. Of course there is no requirement for ISPs to be licensed or registered in the US. But an ISP may not be able to avail itself of all the legal protections of online service providers if it doesn't register. DMCA registered agents are NOT the place to send spam complaints, security or other AUP violations which don't involve the use of copyrighted materials. Consult your lawyer about how to the law applies to your problem. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: read this before you consider EXODUS
by Sean Donelan 01 Sep '99

01 Sep '99

ravim(a)iname.COM (Ravi M) writes: >In the past few weeks, eBay has been in talks with several Exodus >competitors for a new contract to move a portion of its Web servers to a >new vendor, the sources say. Exodus Chief Executive Ellen Hancock says >its relationship with eBay is in good shape. eBay spokesman Kevin >Pursglove declined to say whether it was mulling a move of its primary >Web servers but says that a top priority is to figure out where to house >a key backup system. While both eBay and Exodus have problems, I see this as a good thing, not a bad thing. When looking for a place to house your backup servers, its smart to have some diversity. The problem with co-location facilities operated by the carriers themselves is a lack of many types of diversity. Bringing an AT&T line into a UUNET facility, or a Sprint line into a GTEI facility can be a problem and sometimes actively discouraged by the operator. Owning your own fiber doesn't mean you have a clue how to design or operate a co-location facility (or even an IP network). So-called neutral facilties like Equinix and maybe PAIX help with carrier diversity. But even then I would consider putting my backup servers in a different co-location facility than my primary servers. Although co-location has become an important and growing part of the business; many of the "older" (in Internet years, 1 or 2 years) facilities weren't designed or operated to meet what customers are now expecting. Two words: MAE-East, Garage. People are learning how to build these facilities. I've been very impressed with several facilities built in the last year. Co-location is not just a telephone office with some computer servers stuck in a corner, nor a data center with some fiber muxes stuck in a corner. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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read this before you consider EXODUS
by Ravi M 01 Sep '99

01 Sep '99

http://fnews.yahoo.com/street/99/09/01/valley_990901.html Already there are signs that Exodus' relations with some high-profile clients are in jeopardy. Service problems are serious enough that they've generated high-level tensions between Exodus and online auctioneer eBay (Nasdaq:EBAY - news) , one of Exodus' largest and most prominent customers, according to two people familiar with the situation. In the past few weeks, eBay has been in talks with several Exodus competitors for a new contract to move a portion of its Web servers to a new vendor, the sources say. Exodus Chief Executive Ellen Hancock says its relationship with eBay is in good shape. eBay spokesman Kevin Pursglove declined to say whether it was mulling a move of its primary Web servers but says that a top priority is to figure out where to house a key backup system.

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Re: A Twist on Domain/Name Registration..
by Robert Mathews-ICICX 01 Sep '99

01 Sep '99

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, David Carmean wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:57:52 -1000 > From: David Carmean <dlc(a)netapp.com> > To: Robert Mathews-ICICX <mathews(a)CSATI.EDU> > Subject: Re: A Twist on Domain/Name Registration.. > > On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 12:13:55PM -1000, Robert Mathews-ICICX wrote: > > > > > One country, two Web sites. Not good. > > > > Yes, but that's where the PRC disagrees with you :o( For others who feel compelled to write in a similar vein, all text that was included in the original post -- came from the article. I have chosen to add NO text. Therefore, the aforementioned opinion is not my own. Best.

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