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MAE-East, ATM?
by Alex Rubenstein 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

According to http://www.mae.net/atm/east-addr.html, there are beginning to be quite a few address delegations for the new MAE-East ATM. However, I am curious to know what the actual usage is through the fabric (no graphs, Steve?), and how many people are actually connected. Is there data somewhere I am missing?

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Warning to ISPs: 9netave
by Patrick Greenwell 07 Sep '99

07 Sep '99

No doubt I'll get flamed to hell by some folks for this(but this wouldn't be Nanog without it), however if this character is doing what is described below you might want to make sure it isn't happening to you and your users at this very moment, moreso since 9netave, the organization hosting the site is apparently refusing to take action to stop a clear case of credit fraud. Value Net, http://www.value.net is an ISP located in Walnut Creek, California, which I have an account with. It appears that a scam artist decided to set up http://www.valuehelp.net, which copies the site design, logos, etc. and pops up with a javascript alert saying "This is a secure Value Net server," and has a place to enter account info & credit card. They then proceeded to send email to Value Net customers telling them that they needed to go there and re-enter their information, including credit card info. According to information provided to me, 9netave is in no uncertain terms is refusing to take down the site without a court order. Beware... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell "This is our time. It will not come again." \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

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a different view of SNMP
by Jerry Scharf 06 Sep '99

06 Sep '99

(on the soapbox) Alex, I agree with many of the things you said in hating SNMP. I have complained at times about the complexity and lack of efficiency of SNMP, as well at it's difficulty in representing certain types of arrays. The "easy" alternative you present is parsing CLI output. This can be just as evil as SNMP, at least in dealing with Cisco gear. The big advantage of SNMP comes not from the protocol but from the formality that it brings. With SNMP, I can actually tell you what variables in what forms are available on a given system, based on the standard and proprietary MIBs published. Please tell me which commands are available in a given IOS release. Please tell me the parsing format of the output form these commands. Please guarantee that they won't change in ways that appear as random to the person dealing with them from release to release. The big win would be if there was some thing akin to CLI and worked across telnet sessions and the like, but had the formality, documentation and parsing regularity that comes with MIBs. I don't think this would be any less readable to users, so it could just replace current CLI output. This could also improve configuration management greatly. The bad news is that very few people in the network management world, either within Cisco or elsewhere, believe this in any way. The only way for this to become real is for a significant number of major customers to demand this and make this a requirement of doing business with Cisco. When mo demands that Cisco do SNMPV3, they listen. When people start putting business on the line for this kind of thing, they will listen too.

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Re: a different view of SNMP
by Ron Buchalski 06 Sep '99

06 Sep '99

>From: woods(a)most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) >Reply-To: nanog(a)merit.edu (North America Network Operators Group) >To: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: a different view of SNMP >Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) > > [snip] >I sometimes wonder why Wellfleet nee Bay nee Nortel haven't already >taken over most of Cisco's market share for this reason given their >almost total embracement of SNMP for configuration and management. >Sure, they did leave a wide market niche for third party font-end tools >that actually worked, but at least they embraced the standards! :-) > Well, could it be because Cisco routers _work_? :-) -rb ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: a different view of SNMP
by Vadim Antonov 06 Sep '99

06 Sep '99

Ron Buchalski <rbuchals(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >From: woods(a)most.weird.com (Greg A. Woods) >>I sometimes wonder why Wellfleet nee Bay nee Nortel haven't already >>taken over most of Cisco's market share for this reason given their >>almost total embracement of SNMP for configuration and management. >Well, could it be because Cisco routers _work_? :-) Nah, that's because Cisco sometimes listens. And, yes, lets the lowly users to talk to their actual engieers. Or at least used to. (Hint - try to find who wrote some particular piece of code in Nortel). --vadim

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06 Sep '99

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exodus?
by Brad S. Dreisbach 05 Sep '99

05 Sep '99

Is Anyone on the list from exodus? There are routing problems in the dc area... I havent gotten any real response from the technicians Ive talked to. They've been "handing it off" to the backbone eng people...But no one is getting back to me. The network is question houses our primary dns server and well as our pop server. The last person I spoke with said the problem was solved when in fact the routing loop moved from one set of routers to another. Reply to me personally if you have any idea whats going on. -b.

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News about W. Richard Stevens ?
by Peter Galbavy 04 Sep '99

04 Sep '99

It appears from a posting in comp.protocols.tcp-ip that W. Richard Stevens has passed away. Can anyone confirm if this is the case, because if it is then many many of us will be very saddened by this news. I cannot think of any single person who has had so much influence over my understanding of TCP/IP and UNIX programming. I genuinely hope it is not true. Regards, -- Peter Galbavy Knowledge Matters Ltd http://www.knowledge.com/

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Re: Fwd: Re: News about W. Richard Stevens
by sthaug＠nethelp.no 04 Sep '99

04 Sep '99

> There was an obituary in the Friday morning edition of the Arizona Daily > Star (I looked and I cannot find the obit in the online pages of this > paper). See http://www.bigdealclassifieds.com/classified/plsql/classlevel3_step?wClass=… (all on one line) Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug(a)nethelp.no

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Fwd: Re: News about W. Richard Stevens
by mark＠vielle.datasys.net 04 Sep '99

04 Sep '99

--- Forwarded mail from Steve Grandi <grandi(a)noao.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:22:38 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Grandi <grandi(a)noao.edu> To: "Mark R. Lindsey" <mark(a)vielle.datasys.net> Subject: Re: News about W. Richard Stevens In-Reply-To: <199909041349.JAA32525(a)vielle.datasys.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909040919360.5422-100000(a)mirfak.tuc.noao.edu> There was an obituary in the Friday morning edition of the Arizona Daily Star (I looked and I cannot find the obit in the online pages of this paper). Also several people here at NOAO (Rich's former employer) know his family personally and have passed the word. On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Mark R. Lindsey wrote: > How did you learn the news about W. Richard Stevens? > Steve Grandi, National Optical Astronomy Observatories/AURA Inc., Tucson AZ USA Internet: grandi(a)noao.edu Voice: +1 520 318-8228 --- End of forwarded message from Steve Grandi <grandi(a)noao.edu>

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