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by Eric Germann 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

Folks, Update on the NANOG Channel. We bust it up, HTMLize it and make it available as an IE Channel/NetCaster Channel as well as a content search tool. We updated the search engine this evening. Now you'll get more than 10 hits for a query and hopefully better performance. Go ahead and kick the tires. Let us know what you think. http://www.cctec.com/maillists/nanog Also, if you take the channel, Altavista Discovery is a great local search tool for indexing locally the fabulous technical content of this list :) Eric ========================================================================== Eric Germann CCTec ekgermann(a)cctec.com Van Wert, OH 45891 http://www.cctec.com Ph: 419 968 2640 Fax: 419 968 2641 Network Design, Connectivity & System Integration Services A Microsoft Solution Provider

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Re: Rah for Patrick.
by Patrick W. Gilmore 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

At 06:25 PM 8/13/98 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: >Bravo, Patrick. _This_ is how a _man_ dies, to paraphrase Bob >Heinlein. > >This is a perfect counter-example to what I was bitching about with the >BBN fracas. Serve the customers, _then_ worry about the money. Thank you. Thank you very much. (And my favorite author, too. ;) I honestly expected to get flamed for that post (a bunch of "I told you so's"), but instead I got an overwhelming number of responses offering to help. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. (Even if all of you wouldn't let me get any sleep. :) I am absolutely positive some of the help was offered because the vultures were circling, but some of them were honest offers of help. I think this shows that there is hope for the Internet community yet. In response to the money issue, it is easy for me, as a geek/engineer/operations guy to service the customer and ignore the cost, but I have learned the hard way that money _has_ to be made. I honestly believed (and still do) that if you service the customer right, and charge a fair price, the money will come. The problem is, there's a huge hump you have to get over in a startup, and servicing the customer well makes that hump bigger. Priori just couldn't make it over that hump. Thanx again for helping my customers. They really didn't deserve this. The efforts of people on this list and others probably kept some of them going "down with the ship". If any of you ever need any help with your routes, you got some free engineering coming. :) >Jay R. Ashworth jra(a)baylink.com TTFN, patrick ************************************************************** Patrick W. Gilmore voice: +1-650-482-2840 Director of Operations, CCIE #2983 fax: +1-650-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "Tomorrow's Performance.... Today" **************************************************************

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Re: What happened?
by joe＠vpop.net 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

Looks like InterNIC is cleaning house. Some 48,000 domains disappeared from the roots last night. -joe On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:03:26 -0400, "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> wrote: >I'm getting bounces on my mailing lists from BELLATLANTIC.NET saying >"Host not found". > >After a little sleuthing, I've found that Bellatlantic.net is on hold!! > >I just got off the phone with their NOC. The guy there told me that >the problem will get fixed with tonight's update. He also told me that >apparently there were other domains that got put on hold by the InterNIC. > >I'd be very surprised if Bell Atlantic hadn't paid for their domains. I >have to assume this is an InterNIC issue. > >Anyone know what's up over there? ============================================================================= * NewsHub: Updated every 15 minutes/24 hours a day! * http://newshub.com/

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Re: Rah for Patrick.
by Chris A. Icide 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

At 06:25 PM 8/13/98 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > >Bravo, Patrick. _This_ is how a _man_ dies, to paraphrase Bob >Heinlein. > >This is a perfect counter-example to what I was bitching about with the >BBN fracas. Serve the customers, _then_ worry about the money. > I'm happy to see that someone has recognized Patrick's efforts. It's unfortunate that so many people view his efforts as superhuman. In this day and age, they are above and beyond what anyone would have expected, but what this really is about is honor. Priori, and Patrick more so, since he was mainly the primary customer interface, was about the customers. It was an organization focused to provide the customers with what they needed when they needed it and at a level of performance above thier expectations. Unfortunately, undercapitalization was too much. Patrick and Priori could do no less for the customers, and even in this we feel as if we are letting them down. Don't forget the people behind the scenes, Jamie Norwood of Priori's NOC has been Patrick's right hand man through this week. The folks at all of the ISP's who jumped in to help, etc. I'll say it for Patrick, thanks for the recognition of the effort. -Chris

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Re: He's baaaaaaack...
by Jay R. Ashworth 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

On Thu, Aug 13, 1998 at 03:25:48PM -0700, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote: > >> (Those who don't get the reference, go find a short song called > >> Alices Restaurant - Arlo Guthrie) > > > >For sufficiently large versions of "short; the song is like, what, 14 > >minutes long? > > short, it is not! > > Closer to 45 minutes <grin>, I can still pick it. A verse is itself > difficult, as it requires "finger-style" picking, but after the ump-teenth > go'round, the hands start to lose track of where they are, due to the > difficult repetition. I don't think it's quite _that_ long... Our local album rock station used to play it up the back side of lunch hour every Thanksgiving day, and I don't remember that it broke the half hour... > It's like manually adding 1000 new Unix users. After the 200th one you > start making mistakes becasue you get lost in the repetition. Just like > playing this song, you are fried to a crisp when you're done. No, Roeland, that's adding 1000 WinNT users. A Unix guy would just put the names in a file, and use expect(1L). Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra(a)baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Unsolicited Commercial Emailers Sued The Suncoast Freenet "Two words: Darth Doogie." -- Jason Colby, Tampa Bay, Florida on alt.fan.heinlein +1 813 790 7592 Managing Editor, Top Of The Key sports e-zine ------------ http://www.totk.com

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AT&T down in St Louis?
by kbrown＠teamhuber.com 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

I have been working with an AT&T packaged internet service customer on a downed link most of the day. The link died @ around 2:30am CST and has been down ever since. Over the past day of chasing people down, we finally received a call that AT&T is experiencing a hardware failure in or near Saint Louis. Can anyone else confirm this? Sean... your close...what's the word? Kevin Brown - Network Engineer Huber & Associates, Inc. - Networking Technologies kbrown(a)teamhuber.com 573-634-5000

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RE: He's baaaaaaack...
by Goldstein_William＠bns.att.com 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

Even Nixon got rehabilitated... Bill Goldstein Senior Internet Specialist AT&T wgoldstein(a)att.com TEL:(412)642-7288 ---------- From: wayne Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:09 PM To: nanog Cc: wayne Subject: Re: He's baaaaaaack... All that and he's a cheezy euro-club dance track producer. What next? :-) At 6:10 PM +0200 8/11/98, Jamie Rishaw wrote: >He's baaaaack... > >(FYI, I just got an autoresponder to learn more about his shady business. > Pblt.) > >----- Forwarded message from sanfordwallace(a)sanfordwallace.com ----- > >>From sanfordwallace(a)sanfordwallace.com Tue Aug 11 12:06:48 1998 >From: sanfordwallace(a)sanfordwallace.com >Message-Id: <199808111606.MAA04932(a)arpa.com> >Subject: from Sanford Wallace to former customer >Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:34:23 > > > Hello there. This is Sanford Wallace, former president of Cyber >Promotions. I am >writing this email to you because you were the administrator of at least >one cyberpromo >(answerme) autoresponder. > > >()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<> ()<>()<> > > > Sanford Wallace ----> Anti-Spamford ----> DJ Spammy? > > Participate in: "Sanford's Board" > http://www.sanfordwallace.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html > > >()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<>()<> ()<>()<> <<File: Re_ He's baaaaaaack...TXT>>

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Re: FWD: Web backbone provider Priori mulls bankruptcy
by Aaron Goldblatt 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

<Note as we start this: I'm not a Priori customer.> >Thank you all for the tremendous response. With your help I have gotten >all of my customers moved so that not one Priori customer should suffer any >significant downtime. (Just long enough to move the line.) I do >appreciate everyone's offer of help. Kinda restores my faith in the industry. There is also something to be said, and I'll mention it publically, for a provider who, in the process of folding, takes the time to help arrange emergency connectivity for its customers. I've been on the short end of the dying provider stick in the past, and didn't get such service. As much as the providers who are cooperating in servicing Priori's customers during Priori's disintegration (a list of which I'd like to reecive privately, that I might patronize those businesses -- that's behavior I approve of), Patrick and the rest of what's left of Priori's team deserve some credit for doing a great deal more than just calling customers and saying, "We're folding and you're outta luck, so come get your equipment," or worse, simply shutting things down without making even those calls. ag

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Re: BBN Peering issues
by Sean M. Doran 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

| PX = Private eXchange (private peering). sorry 'bout any confusion. Uhm, OK, so what's the difference between that and a customer connection across which BGP is spoken? Sean.

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Re: BBN Peering issues
by Sean M. Doran 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

| Whether or not they announce non-(Sprint)-customer routes, such as AS1? But Alex, you know that many providers would be delighted to filter out peers' routes on your behalf, as well as not announce you to their peers. Yet they still charge you money, no? One might consider the wonderful old days when UKERNA and DANTE asked ICM to stop announcing to them a large swathe of routes for various reasons. This raises an interesting diagnostic issue which some people run into from time to time when hunting down weird routing problems: how can a third party know what is being announced and thrown away (or just not selected), versus what is not being announced at all? Sean.

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