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Network Event Reporting Facility
by Sean Donelan 12 Jun '98

12 Jun '98

CNN has been reporting on the MCI fiber cut in Manhattan. Since various other carriers lease each other's facilities, it has also been affecting worldcom, uunet and others. Sprint and AT&T claim they haven't been affected. The last report I got around 6pm, MCI hadn't located the actual fiber cut or cause; only the general vicinity. I have not found an official statement on this outage on the MCI web site. I had posted the following a couple of weeks ago to the outage-discuss(a)academ.com mailing list, but other network operators may be interested in methods for keeping their customers informed about operational issues (besides relying on CNN). ==================================================================== I'm off charging at windmills again. I've written up a protocol so network providers can inform their users (and maybe other providers) about significant network events in a distributed, robust manner. If you recognize parts of this, I have stolen the best ideas from half-a-dozen other protocols, News, NTP, SDR, and even OSPF and RIP. Since communication satellites, pagers, SS7 networks, SONET rings and so forth have been known to fail from time to time, simply relying on any single method for notifying users about problems isn't sufficient. The net has suffered from the 'flash-crowd' effect when everyone tries to check centralized information sources such as web servers. I have attempted to address some of the issues in other notification methods. Namely I've tried to give provider control and authentication of messages, as well as giving enough information so end-users to filter messages of interest to them. I've tried to assume if someone can abuse the system, they will; so things are a bit paranoid. Stale messages remain a problem of any notification system, so I tried to give providers an explicit mechanism to cancel messages within their own network. I would appreciate any interested persons looking over my current attempt at writing a draft at http://dranet.dra.com/nerf.html. I have also set up a mailing list nerf-l(a)listserv.dra.com (subscribe by sending a message to listserv(a)listserv.dra.com) for interested people. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: WorldNIC
by Dean Robb 12 Jun '98

12 Jun '98

At 11:31 6/12/98 +0900, you wrote: >On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Dean Robb wrote: > >> Let's remember for a moment that not all net.users are net.savvy. I think >> the TLDs SHOULD have a logical category structure. If I'm trying to find >> an educational institution, I'd expect to find it in the .edu TLD, a >> commercial organization in .com, etc. As I recall, that's the entire >> purpose in naming the TLDs as they are. > >Let's remember that not all net.users and net.resources are located in >north.america. And that not all net.names are registered with the >same.nic. I think its time you opened your eyes a.bit. Eyes open just fine. Even here, there's no reason one cannot register as a .us domain. However, the question arises...what has your comment got to do with the correct use of TLDs? What do spammers and nails have in common? They're both intended for hammering. Dean Robb PC-Easy On-site computer services (757) 495-EASY [3279]

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RE: Dijkstra Simulator
by Rob Wilson 12 Jun '98

12 Jun '98

Was that Exodus again.... Didn't you guys already take most of their clients anyway?? -----Original Message----- From: Alan Hannan [SMTP:alan@globalcenter.net] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:23 PM To: Jim Boyle Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Dijkstra Simulator > p.s. - how is that ip navigator treating you - is there any other than the > big C? (oops -that's little c, isn't it?). frontier globalcenter is not planning to use ip navigator in the core of our network today. we are moving away from ip/atm and towards ip/sonet&ip/wdm. We have 1 oc12 using packet over sonet up today, and several oc3s; phased deployment of oc12 and oc48 starting 3Q98 and completed in 1Q99. we are exploring using ip navigator in our l2 aggregation frame and atm networks. big C/A,J,T,L,N little c they all have reasonable products, just some are more reasonable than others. what really burns me is when a company we are working with under nda tells our competition what we are exploring, and when they publish press releases about their customers without that customers approval. -alan

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InterNIC question I forgot to ask...
by elezar＠pfrc.org 12 Jun '98

12 Jun '98

A question occurred to me after the InterNIC presentation at NANOG, and I couldn't track down the gentleman doing the presentation. This is probably something that needs research anyway. The statistics on NEW domain registrations are interesting. What are the statistics on domains that are released because they are never paid for? If this is better directed to a different list, let me know. -- Jeffrey Haas "He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has elezar(a)pfrc.org left the paths of wisdom." (Or works for Fermilab...)

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Re: Dijkstra Simulator
by Daniel O. Awduche 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

The WANDL network planning and analysis software can be used for this purpose (and much more). Alternatively, you can trivially write an all "pairs shortest path" program, using, for example, the Floyd-Warshall dynamic programming algorithm (See "Introduction to Algorithms," by Corman, Leiserson, and Rivest). The same result can be gotten by running Dijkstra's algorithm |V| times (once for each node), where |V| is the cardinality of the set of nodes in your network graph. /Dan. Alan Hannan said: > > Could someone provide a reference for a Dijkstra simulator? > > Ideally this would take three sets of inputs (links, nodes, > metrics) and produce edge-pair traffic flows. > > Any suggestions appreciated, especially for GPL stuff that has > code. > > -a

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WorldNIC
by Chris Cappuccio 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

What's this deal about InterNIC forwarding all request to WorldNIC? If I send in a (filled out) registration template to hostmaster(a)internic.net, it's completed by InterNIC... I think the real fraud is in WorldNIC and other registrars (like Netnames in the UK) selling vanity names in country TLDs. IANA encourages this. WorldNIC has an offer for $17,545 USD that will register a domain in all 72 TLDs (or 5 domains in all 72 TLDs for $87,725 USD)... ******************************************************** Chris Cappuccio voice: +1-541-317-3437 System Administrator fax: +1-541-317-3402 Empire Net, Inc. 20310 Empire Ave chris(a)empnet.com Suite A-100 Bend, OR 97701 http://www.EmpireNet.net/ ********************************************************

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Re: So... what's the best routing solution for..
by Joe Provo - Network Architect 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

[blah blah blah] Hrm, stinks like any religious war circling around the term "best". NODlist, please. Warning! operational content below! There was an ugly fiber cut affecting the northeast today -- anyone have detailed data? Joe

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ipw reference
by David Graves 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

Saw a post refering to a program someone had written, "ipw", but inadvertently discarded it. Anyone care to repost that note? it was in reference to an ip whois for tracing owners of ip's -d

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OSPF Companion Book [Re: gated]
by Paul G. Donner 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

In summary, the campanion book being written by John Moy is not yet complete. Stay tuned... >To: "Paul G. Donner" <pdonner(a)cisco.com> >Subject: Re: gated > >Donner- > >Unfortunately I am still writing the companion book, and >it won't be available until the end of the year. > >John > >Paul G. Donner wrote: > >> John, >> >> Is there a companion book to your recent book as stated below? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Donner >> >> >X-SMAP-Received-From: outside >> >From: David Lesher <wb8foz(a)nrk.com> >> >Subject: Re: gated >> >To: nanog(a)merit.edu (nanog list) >> >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:52:05 -0400 (EDT) >> >Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu >> > >> >Matt Stein sez: >> >> >> >> > See John Moy's excellent book(s), OSPF: Anatomy of an Internet >> >> > Routing Protocol, and it's companion book, OSPF Complete Implementation. >> >> > The former is ISBN 0-201-63472-4 and the latter has an ospfd >> >> > implementation "intended to be portable to a wide range of >> >> > environments." >> >> >> >> I've read, and enjoyed his first, but cannot find the companion book >> >> anywhere. Heck, even Amazon doesn't have it. Does anyone have the ISBN >> >> for it? >> > >> >I can't see the second at dra.com; and that's the Library of >> >Congress, civilized. >> > >> >If it exists, it's gotta be rare. Anyone with OCLC access handy? >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com >> >& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX >> >Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 >> >is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 >> > >> > > > > > >

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NOOP: NEWDOM II
by Rick H. Wesson 11 Jun '98

11 Jun '98

NEWDOM II newdom-request(a)ar.com ========================================================= To Subscribe send a mail message to newdom-request(a)ar.com with the word "subscribe" (with out the quotes) in the body of the message. Overview. There is a need for a nonbiased forum to discuss a meeting to create an organization for the management of Top Leve Domains. There are several other email lists [see below] dedicated to the general discussion of TLDs but there is none specificly oriented with creating a forum as specified in the NTIA White Paper. It is the hope of the list maintainer to provide a forum oriented in the gathering of consensus on a meeting place/time, its agenda, funding, and participants. Goals Yes, this list has a goal. The following is the main function of the NEWDOM list. o Organize a meeting on TLDs with the following attributes o the meeting is announced well in advance o is located some place with a good international airport. o has accomodations. o invites anyone and everyone that would like to participate, and will not go forward w/o the participation of IAB, IANA, Network Solutions, POC/CORE, APNIC, ARIN, RIPE, and ISOC. o allows mbone particiaption. o meets the requirements in the NTIA White Paper A bit of history. This list is dedicated to the topic of new TOP level Domains. It has been a place for the discussion of the addition of additional top level domains (TLDs) like .com, .net, and .org. It is the hope of the list maintainer to provide an unbiased forum for the discussion of topics pertaining to the goal of adding additional TLDs to the IANA root nameservers. While the list maintainer has participated in various forum related to TLDs he will not remove or censor in any way the discussion on the NEWDOM list. The list maintainer wishes all to make their voice herd but, please read/listen and respect others and their openions. Please note there other lists dedicated to discussions on TLDs namely: gtld-discuss(a)gtld-mou.org domain-policy(a)lists.internic.net Please adhear to the following: o Do NOT threaten Legal Action against anyone on by posting the threat to the list. o Please stay on the topic of NEW TLDs specificly to the formation of a confrence to create an organization to manage Internet TLDs to fully meet the requirements specified in the Dept. of Commerce, NTIA Proceeding Policy Statement Additional Reading. http://www.iana.org/ http://www.giaw.org/ http://www.gtld-mou.org/ Unsubscribing To remove yourself from this list send a message to newdom-request(a)ar.com In the body of this message put the word 'unsubscribe' If you have any administrative questions please mail rick(a)ar.com.

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