May 1998 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Re: Privacy of Customer Information
by Bradley Dunn 14 May '98

14 May '98

On Thu, 14 May 1998, Bradley Dunn wrote: > > If you want to give your lawyer a heart attack, ask her if the > > data is covered under Title 47 Section 222 Privacy of Customer > > Information. > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/222.shtml > says > "Repealed". Sorry. It has been pointed out to me that the Telecom Act of '96 added a new Title 47 Section 222. ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c104/s652.enr.txt Search down to "222". Bradley

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Re: Privacy of Customer Information
by Sean Donelan 14 May '98

14 May '98

>> If you want to give your lawyer a heart attack, ask her if the >> data is covered under Title 47 Section 222 Privacy of Customer >> Information. > >http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/222.shtml >says >"Repealed". This is why you should talk to your lawyer. The US Code at the cornell site is from 1996. The Telecommunications Deregulation Act added a new section 222 when it was passed last year. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Privacy of Customer Information
by Sean Donelan 14 May '98

14 May '98

>However there are some companies that feel that their customer >data is confidential, and refuse to reveal it. (Also if they >use rwhois fixing swip won't solve the problem completely.) If you want to give your lawyer a heart attack, ask her if the data is covered under Title 47 Section 222 Privacy of Customer Information. Have you noticed the companies that are most likely to refuse to register their customer data, are also the the ones most likely to have a large direct sales organizations which uses such customer network information for its own marketing efforts. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Ligistics; Wireless..
by Andrew J. Doane 14 May '98

14 May '98

Which wireless standard will be supported? 802.11 or openair? /ajd/ -- _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Andrew J. Doane _/ _/ _/ _/ Director, Network Operations _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ American Information Systems, Inc. _/ _/ _/ _/ Email: adoane(a)ais.net, http://www.ais.net _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ (312) 255-8500 Voice, (312) 255-8501 Fax For my PGP public key, email me with the subject "pgp request"

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Re: 1.1.1.0/24
by Sean Donelan 14 May '98

14 May '98

>has a classfull C somewhere on the net. As for filtering 1.1.1.1/24 or >the entire block because it is reserved for that matter, who is to say >that with the address space thinning out that the IANA won't start >allocating it? Some poor provider is going to be route filtered on a >totally legitimate block if we use your reasoning. Its called "Network Management" and not "Network forget about it" for a reason. I'm making no statement about filtering by prefix length. Unassigned is true whether it is a unassigned traditional Class A 1.0.0.0/8 address or a unassigned Class ? 254.0.0.0/32 address. IANA has been exceptionally careful to document and put in a public place all its assignments. A careful network manager could check this public information on a regular basis and use it to verify the information they are hearing from others. Address hijacking is a major and growing problem. There are two ways to stop it, and I would suggest you need to do both. You can either trust everyone will only announce their own routes properly, or you can check the routes you recieve that they have in fact been delegated to the person announcing it. Or in the case of 1.1.1.0/24, delegated at all. There are extremes, you can check every single prefix or you can do no checking at all. Or you can do some intermediate level of checking such as filtering 'Martian' addresses, or addresses unassigned or reserved by IANA. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Spam .. Find the sender !
by Sean Donelan 14 May '98

14 May '98

I was wondering where the Men in Dark Glasses went. I doubt the kiddies have stopped their pranks. We used get the confused US Secret Service agent showing up in person asking us to looking up the address; but they stopped sometime last summer. I figured they had finally gotten their own Internet $19.95 account and could do the WHOIS themselves. Oh, I get it.... do the WHOIS themselves. >As a person who has been getting a call and/or email from the US Secret >Service, the FBI, the NCIS, and probably the CIA (but if they told me, >they'd have to kill me of course), every other week, I'll just say the >clueless don't need encouragement (also, it'd be nice if someone in the US >gov't could read the little lines that say "check the APNIC database before >contacting APNIC". But then again, why should the US Gov't be any >different that the people in the US?) -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Core router bakeoff?
by shields＠crosslink.net 14 May '98

14 May '98

In article <Pine.BSI.3.93.980514011954.4143A-100000(a)sidhe.memra.com>, Michael Dillon <michael(a)memra.com> wrote: > If you were using ssh for secure access then the answer would be to find a > machine with a web browser, go to http://www.datafellows.com and download > the 30-day free trial version of the Windows or Mac ssh client as > appropriate, and, voila!, you have secure access to your network. And if you were using Kerberized telnet you would download the clients from your own web page and voila! (Of course neither of these is a substitute for doing the telnet from your trusted laptop) -- Shields, CrossLink.

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Metrics?
by Chris A. Icide 14 May '98

14 May '98

This is an request for some information for a presentation I'm looking at putting together. I was wondering what special things that people out there use routing metrics for? For example, IGP metrics might be used to determine the shortest path through a network when two paths exist. Some people define these staticaly, some dynamicaly. Metrics in the EGP might be used to tell a peer or customer the "distance" from the destination from that particular edge location in your network. Obviously, these are the simple uses, what are the other uses that folks put metrics to? -Chris

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Wired Q: Embedded NT
by James Glave 14 May '98

14 May '98

Hi all, James Glave at Wired News again. This time around I am seeking opinions on behalf of a friend up at Wired (the print magazine) -- concerning embedded NT. I couldn't find any discussion in the nanog archive, so I'm wondering if anoyne here has any experience with, or knowledge of, embedding NT in networking hardware - if that even makes any sense....? >From: Jesse Freund <freund(a)wired.com> >i'm working on a piece about nt-embedded and i have a couple of questions. >i'm hoping you might be able to hook me up with a smart network operator or >someone else in the know or perhaps you know. basically, i'm curious why >the hell someone would want a version of nt embedded in a switch or router? >and who provides the custom solutions nt-embedded is meant to replace? Thanks, all! jtg James Glave, Senior Technology Writer Wired News http://www.wired.com (415) 276-8430 Unstoppable Force of the Week: "Gettin' jiggy wit' it!"

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Re: bogon dns registrations
by Ehab Hadi 14 May '98

14 May '98

Yep, I confirm what you observed. wwwdell ---> porno URL. wwcompaque ----> map to an Ip_address: 205.187.99.19 --> Phone Book Site. wwwsun.com ----> Gambling site Ehab Hadi Northern Telecom ehabh(a)nortel.ca >From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Thu May 14 08:35:02 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01981; > Thu, 14 May 1998 11:25:08 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by merit.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 14 May 1998 11:23:28 -0400 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA01852 > for nanog-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:23:27 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from home.merit.edu (home.merit.edu [198.108.60.42]) > by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01845 > for <nanog(a)merit.edu>; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:23:21 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from ljb@localhost) by home.merit.edu (8.8.8/merit-2.0) id LAA16312 for nanog(a)merit.edu; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from nacs.net (sjsobol(a)devel.nacs.net [207.166.192.85]) > by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21788 > for <nanog(a)merit.edu>; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:48:02 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from sjsobol@localhost) > by nacs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id VAA14329; > Wed, 13 May 1998 21:47:57 -0400 >Message-ID: <19980513214756.61332(a)devel.nacs.net> >Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:47:56 -0400 >From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol(a)devel.nacs.net> >To: steve c blair <sblair(a)dev.tivoli.com> >Cc: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra(a)scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>, nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: bogon dns registrations >References: <199805130719.DAA13278(a)db3.troy.psi.com> <support(a)psi.com> <199805130719.DAA13278(a)db3.troy.psi.com> <19980513193102.45090(a)scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us> <199805132346.SAA24442(a)devmail.dev.tivoli.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 >In-Reply-To: <199805132346.SAA24442(a)devmail.dev.tivoli.com>; from steve c blair on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 06:47:59PM -0500 >Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu > >On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 06:47:59PM -0500, steve c blair wrote: >> so how do companies sue the internic: >> >> wwwdell.com >> wwwsun.com >> wwwibm.com >> wwwcompaq.com >> >> are just a few of the typo-happy abusers I've found this afternoon. in >> dell's case it was >> an explicit porno site. > >If there is a suit, it would most likely not be against the Internic, >it would be against the porn sites... > > >-- >Steven J. Sobol - Founding Member, Postmaster/Webmaster, ISP Liaison -- >Forum for Responsible & Ethical E-mail (FREE) - Dedicated to education about, >and prevention of, Unsolicited Broadcast E-mail (UBE), also known as SPAM. > >Info: http://www.ybecker.net or Usenet: <6i6eeu$kr9$1(a)camel18.mindspring.com> > >mailto: sjsobol(a)nstc.com, sjsobol(a)nacs.net, sjsobol(a)apk.net > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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